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Originally posted by Riverlove:
You ever think about what you write here?

You post with the arrogant cockiness of someone whose candidate for President just won. But he didn't win, he lost. Obama won, did you miss that little fact?

You jumping on Obama is worse than the Left hating Bush from Day 1. We have a duty as Americans to wish the new President the best, don't we? Don't you? Don't you want to see the country at least try to climb out of the sinkhole that Bush is leaving us all in?

Don't you understand that the numbers just aren't there anymore for Republicans? Don't you understand that things have to change, and the Party has got to find a way to be more inclusive? If we ever want to win any election in the future we have to convert people to our side, and your way 'aint the way. Your no Rush Limbaugh by any stretch, and what good did all his bloviatious hot air do? Nada. Squat. Learn from that mistake, and the many others that were made. Never under-estimate your opponent, and you have to have a message, a positive message.
If you don't, there's really nothing left to say. People get numb to repetitive negative attacks, they even actuallly rebel against it. Make friends & influence people if you want Republicans to ever have a chance again.

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Originally posted by rue:
Well, Bush has been done so many good things so successfully, you can't help but like the guy. (That's sarcasm.)

Here's the difference, in case you can't get this idea on your own:
Bush is being criticized for all the bad things he's done.
Obama is being criticised by people like you for no particular reason - and he's not even president yet.

One more difference - Obama was elected fair and square and can claim some legitimacy as president, Bush was appointed by an illegal Supreme Court decision and lost the popular vote.

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They've been trashing him and Repubicans for 8 years

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If he was a Republican they'd be ripping into him like a monkey into a cupcake!

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They've been trashing him and Repubicans for 8 years

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No, only first year and the last. After 9-11 Bush had a free ride. Hey, I thought you Repugs were all about 'accountability'. But apparently not so much!

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If he was a Republican they'd be ripping into him like a monkey into a cupcake!

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You have a short memory! The WH press whores gave Bush pass after pass after pass. On Iraq and WMDs and Iraq's supposed connection of al Qaida. On bin Laden. On the deficit. On Gannon/ Guckert. On lapses big and small. No serious questions were asked.

Drink much?

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Bush bacame a liar, not wrong, a liar.

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I think the people - like me - who read the reports and figured out ahead of time that there were no WMDs, and that Bush knew there were no WMDs, get to call him a liar.

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Congrats Barry, even tho you've done nothing your whole life but run for public office, and lets not forget how you tossed aside people like Rev. Wright and Billy Ayers when they were no longer useful.

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Congrats Barry, even tho you've done nothing your whole life but run for public office, and lets not forget how you tossed aside people like Rev. Wright and Billy Ayers when they were no longer useful.

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You're forgetting his now dead grandmother, the one he threw under the bus. The one he cares so much for, he opted to skip her funeral.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Originally posted by rue:
"You're forgetting his now dead grandmother, the one he threw under the bus. The one he cares so much for, he opted to skip her funeral."

Oh that's right - the one he didn't RREEeeaaaally visit before she died, who wasn't his real grandmother anyway, who wasn't dying, until he had her killed to keep her quiet ...




... yeah. Hoookaay.


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Originally posted by Riverlove:
You ever think about what you write here?

You post with the arrogant cockiness of someone whose candidate for President just won. But he didn't win, he lost. Obama won, did you miss that little fact?

You jumping on Obama is worse than the Left hating Bush from Day 1. We have a duty as Americans to wish the new President the best, don't we? Don't you? Don't you want to see the country at least try to climb out of the sinkhole that Bush is leaving us all in?

Don't you understand that the numbers just aren't there anymore for Republicans? Don't you understand that things have to change, and the Party has got to find a way to be more inclusive? If we ever want to win any election in the future we have to convert people to our side, and your way 'aint the way. Your no Rush Limbaugh by any stretch, and what good did all his bloviatious hot air do? Nada. Squat. Learn from that mistake, and the many others that were made. Never under-estimate your opponent, and you have to have a message, a positive message.
If you don't, there's really nothing left to say. People get numb to repetitive negative attacks, they even actuallly rebel against it. Make friends & influence people if you want Republicans to ever have a chance again.

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I agree with you BUT! Do you see the press and the Democrats stopping there negative attacks on Bush? They've been trashing him and Repubicans for 8 years, Barry and his peeps may be involved in a scandle (I said "may", not "are") and the press are throwing softballs at him, If he was a Republican they'd be ripping into him like a monkey into a cupcake! The reason I can't stand Barry is simple, he's an empty suit, Palin had more experiance than him, but his WHORES in the press distoryed her. You have a good heart, you think a positive message will work, you may be rite. But do'nt expect the press to help get that message out.

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[ Do you see the press and the Democrats stopping there negative attacks on Bush? They've been trashing him and Repubicans for 8 years

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ripping into him like a monkey into a cupcake!

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The reason I can't stand Barry is simple, he's an empty suit, Palin had more experiance than him

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Time has a bizarre history with Man(now Person) of the year.

1938 - Hitler
1939 - Stalin
1942 - Stalin AGAIN
1957 - Nikita Khrushchev
1971 - Nixon
1972 - Nixon AGAIN
1979 - Ayatollah Khomeini

In addition there is a cover in the 30s with Heinrich Himmler, the overseer of the mass killings of the era. It paints him as a hero of the German people. wtf?

Time has put every president since FDR on that pedistal with the single exception of Ford, the one president who ironically deserved it above all others (again showing Time's complete lack of insight). Obama was obvious. He should grace it one more time, most likely in 2010 or 2011. Though I think it's absoutely true to say that he is being honored for nothing more than being a career politican with no executive experience. But I really don't care.

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If we are indeed the Party of morality and standards

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Academia breeds liberals. They're taught by telling one side of the story, and then universities churn out people who feel certain that they know the whole story, when they only know half the story.

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Academia breeds liberals. They're taught by telling one side of the story, and then universities churn out people who feel certain that they know the whole story, when they only know half the story.

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CAN either party claim this

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I see it as a pendulum thing- we get taught that Chris Columbus was a cool guy, all friendly and such, then we get taught that he ran slave labour camps

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So, by extension, ignorance and the uneducated breed conservatives?

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I find it scary that the Republican party seems to be pandering to such a group.

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"If we are indeed the Party of morality and standards ..."
That's sounds so ... Iranian.

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Not that I'm saying either party is the moral party, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_and_Virtue_Ministry

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The big picture?

ALL societies enforce morality. If morality was such a natural force, we wouldn't need any effort at all to ensure it: it would come naturally, just like breathing or sleeping.

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That's why what we tell ourselves about ourselves is so important.

If we tell ourselves that we are merely economic competative individualists, that's it's written in our DNA by evolution, and that capitalism is the natural outcome of inborn 'human nature' then we will live that.

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...Tell me, is consistently putting the apostrophe in the wrong place a deliberate act on your part? Some kind of brand for your threads? Because really, making a mistake is one thing, but always putting it in the same wrong place is... well, it defies description. Your whole persona almost seems to aim at "too stupid to be true" (actually claiming that a couple years as governor is more experience than Obama, just for example) and I'm starting to think it really is. I mean, come on, seriously? You're just messing with us, aren't you.

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COOL HUH!?

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I say how much story the Republican supporters have depends on what kind of Republican they are.

Fiscal conservatives I think are educated and DO have the other half of the story. Our system is a balance, big government versus personal freedom, VERY important social programs versus scary amounts of control.

Unfortunately, Republicans have been betraying their fiscal conservative roots in recent years with corporate cronyism and narrow-minded born-again religious fanaticsm.

I'm not religious, so my take on the other kind of Republicans is not all that flattering. I admit that. Sorry. There's some decent people who are religious, and a number of the messages of Christianity itself (community, compassion, promote peace, no stealing or killing) I agree with. But people who oppose any other viewpoint with outrage, threats, and violence, who think their religion makes them right in all cases including war and nationality and social policy... I find it scary that the Republican party seems to be pandering to such a group.

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If you're five.

No, actually, it's not even cool when you're five, but that's about the right level of maturity for thinking it's cool, which is why children are taught proper behavior at a young age. Or they're not, in which case they grow into themselves thinking they're entitled to whatever they want, don't deserve consequences, and find entertainment in things like pranking the pizza guy and conning the trustful and gullible of the world.

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I say how much story the Republican supporters have depends on what kind of Republican they are.

Fiscal conservatives I think are educated and DO have the other half of the story. Our system is a balance, big government versus personal freedom, VERY important social programs versus scary amounts of control.

Unfortunately, Republicans have been betraying their fiscal conservative roots in recent years with corporate cronyism and narrow-minded born-again religious fanaticsm.

I'm not religious, so my take on the other kind of Republicans is not all that flattering. I admit that. Sorry. There's some decent people who are religious, and a number of the messages of Christianity itself (community, compassion, promote peace, no stealing or killing) I agree with. But people who oppose any other viewpoint with outrage, threats, and violence, who think their religion makes them right in all cases including war and nationality and social policy... I find it scary that the Republican party seems to be pandering to such a group.

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I agree with you 100% on all of that.
I am a fiscal conservative, but I'm too socially liberal to be at all comfortable with the current conservative party. I've talked about this expansively in the past, and I just think it's a shame that there seems to be a barrier between "live and let live" and "I want to keep more of my money."

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The Democrats now belive in corperate welfare now, they're going to throw billions at big buisness.

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abortion will stay legal and the liberals will do everything they can to keep Christmas and other right-wing holidays out of schools.

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Does this even merit a response?

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The Democrats now belive in corperate welfare now, they're going to throw billions at big buisness.

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Like Republicans haven't.

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No, not a slight against Iran. But they do have their morality police which are an arm of their morality party currently running the country. And it seemed to me that the ideas that sound so right and natural coming from US conservatives sound a lot less so coming from a different direction.

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...Tell me, is consistently putting the apostrophe in the wrong place a deliberate act on your part? Some kind of brand for your threads? Because really, making a mistake is one thing, but always putting it in the same wrong place is... well, it defies description. Your whole persona almost seems to aim at "too stupid to be true" (actually claiming that a couple years as governor is more experience than Obama, just for example) and I'm starting to think it really is. I mean, come on, seriously? You're just messing with us, aren't you.

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Yes, I'm just messing with you....COOL HUH!?

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If you're five.

No, actually, it's not even cool when you're five, but that's about the right level of maturity for thinking it's cool, which is why children are taught proper behavior at a young age. Or they're not, in which case they grow into themselves thinking they're entitled to whatever they want, don't deserve consequences, and find entertainment in things like pranking the pizza guy and conning the trustful and gullible of the world.

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I agree with you 100% on all of that.
I am a fiscal conservative, but I'm too socially liberal to be at all comfortable with the current conservative party. I've talked about this expansively in the past, and I just think it's a shame that there seems to be a barrier between "live and let live" and "I want to keep more of my money."

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Does this even merit a response?

Funny, that was my initial response to your anti-intellectual post.

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Paradise????
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Paradise????
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