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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DyingLikeAnimals]

Nice link. I didn't fit any of them. I guess I'll have to add my own, maybe a Raccoon. "Let's approach this problem with caution, it's tricky, and with discretion, because *they* are listening"


I invite everyone to go and read Frem's list.

(Folks might peg me as a reindeer, but I have no interest in changing the other heroes, only in approaching the issue with caution, making sure the other heroes do not fall into obvious traps)

Everyone, follow Frem's link, find yourself, and recognize that it will derogatory and insulting, but that there is a grain of truth in it.

Myself. Probably more of a Fox. Definitely not a Reindeer. I would let the boat sink. Not out to change anyone, not there to restrict anyone's freedom, just interjecting to try quixotically to prevent the Boars from sacrificing themselves.

Many of you may find yourselves Wolves, but please read the entire entry, and you will see why I express concern to the Wolf.

Ultimately, all of these are negative stereotypes, but with a touch of truth, feel free to create your own animal archetype, but recognize the negative, and accept it, be self critical and honest.

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Done told you I've no intention to be nice.
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The Jayne Cobbs and Cap'n Mals of the world I can handle. The Niska's can get on my nerves. Attacking your allies will not get you far.

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And be damned if imma respond kindly to folks who wanna keep their rights while handing mine over

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I was not at any point taking your rights. I only question the tactic "every man for himself." Even Wolves travel in packs.

Also, I was pointing out the reaver issue. Few seemed to catch on to this: This is a strong running theme in the show. Freedom is essential, but it potentially creates reavers. The Crips and Bloods are Reavers. I can tell stories. This is not race relates, half the ones up here are white. Reavers are reavers, and our local reavers they love assault rifles. Handy for killing lots of people especially if you don't care who you like. To see pure reavers, check out the RUF. It's worth looking up for those who don't know them. The RUF in America is just starting, my prediction is that this is going to be big in our new socio-economic collapse, your judgement day.

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They might not ADMIT that, but like I said, I have a pretty good bullshit detector.

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No Bull, I was wrong, and admitted freely when proven wrong, there's a difference between that and Bull. The Bull is manipulative, and attempting to disuade.

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As for the rest of it, hell no, a single handgun ain't gonna make that damn much difference, but collectives of skilled people who understand and can effectively practice 4GW warfare are a very realistic response to such things, which is all imma say on that.

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I agree, that's pretty much what I was arguing for. I can't argue for war, but I can say that this is not what the people arguing against me most vociferously were suggesting. They were the Lone Wolf crowd.

I had to google 4GW. This is the sort of thing I *want* to see here. Constructive arguments towards directions of mutual benefit. Now you've done it twice in a row.

Hats off to you, Frem, and I mean that with no implied sarcasm or insincerity, informative posts!

For anyone else ignorant of this as I was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_warfare

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The second amendment is a tripwire, it's there to let folks know when the Gov has overstepped itself, and to let it fall invites a domino effect once the threat of armed citizenry is fully neutralised.

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My brother the Fox said specifically about this question a footnote which I did not pass on before, because I thought it might offend, but if people can take it, from an expert on the subject:

"The Second Amendment is like the Templars -- a touchstone of craziness, regardless of which side the ranter is foaming on."

I guess that pretty much sums it up, so I must have some Fox blood.

Wolves, learn to travel in packs, and check that you are not Boars.

Speaking of wolves, any other Nightwish fans around? Just curious.

My own tack, of the Raccoon. I will never strike, but I will win by surprise. I'm a chess player. Some folk might mistake that for a chicken, but trust me, I've been there, and am not afraid. It's a move of choice, and a strategy of many years of design, and guided by my faith. I'm at least as committed to the fight as the rest of you. I will never give up, I only didn't want to see my fellow browncoats sacrifice themselves pointlessly along the way.

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Originally posted by AG05:
I disagree. Guns are most certainly not obselete

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Guns are obsolete. Having them will not protect you.

Notice the person who said that Obama would try to take your guns away was not opponent John McCain or arch-rival Hillary Clinton, it was his own running mate Joe Biden.

I think the boys at CFR like gun ownership, they like to lend a hand to civil war. If you had a satelite system, they'd be worried.

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"A maser operates in the microwave frequency at 300 GHz. A commercial microwave oven has a power rating of 5,000 watts. I have ignited a 4x8 sheet of plywood, from 500 feet using a 5,000 watt maser for only 30 seconds."
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DT, take it how you like, but I am not going to mess with a style of communicating that is extremely effective at the people I wish to reach just because someone on the internet says I should.

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As for strunk and white, I suspect you're not quite on board with the fact that telling an Anarchist there's "only one right way" annoys the everliving hell out of them, besides which if that *was* the only right way, not one of the published authors I read would have a career.

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And don't even get me started on that bastard Carnegie, the sins of his father are legion and his own no less, but that's a whole other topic.

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His *REAL* method of "communication" and "influence" was the money spent on hired goons to enforce their will, like his father did at Ludlow and Homestead, so you could simply dismiss the crap in the book and retitle it - "Being Rich and Immoral, the key to making friends and influencing people."

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You're also seemingly clueless about the nature of the discussion you desire - either you discuss it in a cryptic and elliptical fashion, or you do not discuss it at all in a public forum, you're sitting there asking dangerous questions and all the while telling folk they don't dare answer, and then being annoyed when they react in a very predictable fashion to that conundrum, and how ridiculous is that ?

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I've told you as much as you really need to know, you're a smart guy, you figure it out - cause askin me to spell it out means you're either applying a setup, or as dimwittedly self-destructive as the very folk you're flaming.

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Neither one of those makes the idea of you as an ally appealing, frankly, and so I've nothing further to say on the topic at this time.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Tempted to move on to less suicidal pastures. Atmosphere is getting kinda hostile.

Nice symbol, btw :)

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Tempted to move on to less suicidal pastures. Atmosphere is getting kinda hostile.

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OUT2THEBLACK

Punk !

We barely knew ya !

Good riddance , too !

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FREM

Besides, whatever gave you the moronic idea I was a good guy, or a decent human being ?

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