BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN VS. CHRISISALL, Round One *DING* by chrisisall

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN VS. CHRISISALL, Round One *DING*

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 09:03
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Friday, January 23, 2009 1:42 PM

Dude, I'm a liberal libertarian, but that doesn't mean I view everything in absolutes.
Like the Iraq war, I was against it, that doesn't mean I can see NO good coming from it. You seem to be saying that Obama will either take us down a right path, or a wrong path, and you see no paths that might be simply better or worse, no paths that just might work for the most part.
IMO there IS no correct or incorrect way to handle ANY world situation, just numbers of way to approach things that will work the problem better or worse (excluding madman-like 'final solutions' & such).

BSCM, you are my brother, genetically as well as spiritually...we are all part of this planet, this star system. When peeps start dividing this from that, us from them, hate is possible. And hate makes the casual violence of cutting down families in their sleep possible.

OOps! I'm losing that confrontational edge promised in the thread title!

The off-his-own-topic Chrisisall

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Friday, January 23, 2009 1:58 PM

CHRISISALL

Oh, and that bit about saving folks from themselves sounds mighty Nanny-State...wanna outlaw liquor, cigarettes & reality shows while you're at it?

{Ahnult voice}
I'm heayah! Do it! Kill me now!!!
{/Ahnult voice}

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, January 23, 2009 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

People who run for office aren't to be taken seriously :)

As my brother put it, when I disparaged the office of the presidency, "You have to realize that anyone who is elected to public office has already made one serious lapse in judgement."

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Friday, January 23, 2009 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

Double Post, oh well, BSCM a no show, so:

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Friday, January 23, 2009 3:04 PM

CHRISISALL

Hey! No tag-teaming!

The rules of Chrisisall

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Friday, January 23, 2009 10:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You have to realize that anyone who is elected to public office has already made one serious lapse in judgement."
Hey now, I spent a good bit of time trying to weasel out of it, hell I was practically pressganged.

And then I *did* the job, and got run outta town!
People, pffttth

-F

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Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:57 AM

DREAMTROVE

we all have lapses in judgment :)

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Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:04 PM

DREAMTROVE

Double Post

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Monday, January 26, 2009 5:12 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

I'll respond to this thread in the morning. Be ready.

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Monday, January 26, 2009 6:15 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
I'll respond to this thread in the morning. Be ready.

I was born ready.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, January 26, 2009 6:49 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Sun-up at the bike racks

Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, January 26, 2009 9:14 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Ten bucks on Chris...

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Two shall enter, but only one shall leave!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:02 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:00 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Listen on! Listen on! This is the truth of it. Fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring. And that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now! Busted up and everyone talking about hard rain. But we've learned by the dust of 'em all..Bartertown's learned. Now when men get to fighting, it happens here. And it finishes here. Two men enter, one man leaves. And right now, I've got two men. Two men with a gut full of fear. So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls...Dyin time's here.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Dude, I'm a liberal libertarian, but that doesn't mean I view everything in absolutes.

Lets place things in perspective first. This conversation started on Dreamtrove's thread where the intent was to post changes Obama has rendered for posterity. Postings started per each users differing world view and my post was very simple. Hold the Chief Exec accountable if he releases prisoners from Gitmo into civil courts if the eventual result is that they are released from there, take up arms against the US, and fight. I stated:

"If...and I stress IF...even one of these people, once released, kills EVEN ONE SINGLE american, then Obama is guilty of violating his Oath to "Protect and defend the constitution of the United States""

The result was that my intellect was brought into question. I believe it came in the form of: "It truly scares me the peeps such as yourself are allowed to vote. There should be a history & intelligence test to qualify."

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You seem to be saying that Obama will either take us down a right path, or a wrong path, and you see no paths that might be simply better or worse.

Only in one arena, matters of security. Otherwise, this country was founded on debate. We debated the merits of seperation with Britian, the evils of slavery, Progressive answers to late 19th century robber barons, 20th century issues right up to today. But debate remains the privy of LEGSLATORS. There is no debate in the executive branch. There is one man, the "decider" as bush 43 idiotically put it. For all his faults, I never doubted our 43rd president's intentions to keep us save from harm abroad. I do not feel this way about president #44, and that will be his great test.

I did not vote for him, but unlike my across-the-street neighbor, I will NEVER put a vile "Impeach" sign in my flowerbed as she did from 2005 - 2009. NEVER.

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BSCM, you are my brother,

Well, watch out cause this brother's bouncing to the top of thunderdome to grab the chainsaw.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:13 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

zzzzzzzzz

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:33 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

The result was that my intellect was brought into question.

That's right, because I could'nt believe an intelligent person could blurt out knee-jerk absolutes like that...I have been corrected though, BSCM, I find you to be very intelligent. The random nonsense you release is the result of comic book preconditioning, obviouslt; I sometimes recognize it in myself as well- I try to control it.

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There is one man, the "decider" as bush 43 idiotically put it. For all his faults, I never doubted our 43rd president's intentions to keep us save from harm abroad.

And I never doubted that his intentions, acted upon, would do precisely the opposite.

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I do not feel this way about president #44, and that will be his great test.

Certainly, he can do no worse.

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I did not vote for him, but unlike my across-the-street neighbor, I will NEVER put a vile "Impeach" sign in my flowerbed as she did from 2005 - 2009. NEVER.

Yet, in your savage hypocracy, you are wont to see Obama roasted if one potentially freed detainee kills one American citizen.
THIS is how I define 'unwarranted'!
(sorry, fell into a Star Trek line for a moment there)

Quote:
Well, watch out cause this brother's bouncing to the top of thunderdome to grab the chainsaw.

The man who simply embraces the oneness of the 'Verse has no need of weapons.

Bring it, bitch.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

*Sigh

You guys don't know how to have a flame war, do you?

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:51 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

pretty f*cking sad - don't trip over your skirts boys... I say they kiss & make-up in 3 posts.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:53 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
*Sigh

You guys don't know how to have a flame war, do you?

Sure I do you...you... BAD person!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:20 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

haven't you "guys" done this before..??

pretty sure this is a clip from the last smackdown

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=27213

or maybe more like this...

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:43 AM

KWICKO

BSCM, you want to hold Obama to a ridiculous standard, as I pointed out in the previous thread when it came up. You say if ONE American is potentially killed by ONE person that was freed by Obama's ordering the closing of Gitmo, that he should resign his presidency immediately.

I say it's a bullshit standard, because you have never ever expressed any such sentiments for Bush. By rights, according to your very own logic, he should have resigned on September 12, 2001. He had just had THREE THOUSAND AMERICANS KILLED on his watch, by actions which he could have, and should have prevented. His failure to act on a National Intelligence Estimate entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside U.S." means that he is directly culpable for the attacks - at least according to the standard you want to hold Obama to.

In addition, Bush would have also had to resign more than FOUR THOUSAND MORE TIMES after the invasion and occupation of Iraq - a move that was NOT intended to "defend and protect" the United States, but was designed as an offensive campaign aimed at toppling a regime just because we didn't like them very much, not because they were a grave threat, an imminent threat, or had WMD. Just ask 'Rappy - he's said repeatedly that Bush NEVER said Saddam was a threat or possessed WMD.

So spare me your righteous indignation at Obama closing Gitmo. If ONE American is killed because ONE *suspect* (they're not terrorists if you can't convict them or even charge them, they're merely SUSPECTS) is freed from Gitmo, then Obama will still be more than seven thousand American deaths below Bush's woeful scorecard.

Since you two bitches ain't gonna fight, *I'LL* bring it!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:03 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

"If...and I stress IF...even one of these people, once released, kills EVEN ONE SINGLE american, then Obama is guilty of violating his Oath to "Protect and defend the constitution of the United States""

The result was that my intellect was brought into question.

Seems a reasonable response to a statement like that.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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