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Originally posted by rue:
"... I do think DT has some point about how the rampant inflation and credit problems in our economy have forced a lot of people to work."

Yes, but that is a problem of capitalism, not of equality between the sexes or between groups.

BTW - to reframe this in another context - how would you respond if DT had posted this: The reason people have to work ilke dogs is b/c we no longer have slaves.

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Silence is consent.

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I'll pit my well educated, productive, healthy and well educated young against your starving AIDS-ridden hordes any day.

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1.3 BILLION people,

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BTW, I think you're making the same mistake Wulf is... you assume that ideas are transmitted only by blood relatives and that intelligence is genetic.

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Ok, Dream, my mistake. It sort of threw me, with the whole chick pic and name of "dream"..

A manly handshake then?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
...that's right, withhold sex until we stop fighting!

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
PN, I thought GMO humans looked more like this :)



Sorry, I have a Pris fetish. I hope males of the board will understand :)

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DISCOURSES Upon The First Ten Books of Titus Livy

by Machiavelli

Thus a free state that has newly sprung up comes to have enemy partisans and not friendly
partisans. And wanting to remedy this inconvenience and these disorders which the above
mentioned difficulties bring with them, there is no remedy more powerful, nor more valid, healthy,
and necessary than the killing of the sons of Brutus, who, as history shows, together with
other Roman youths were induced to conspire against their country for no other reason than
because they could not obtain extraordinary advantages for themselves under the Consuls as
under the Kings; so that the liberty of that people appeared to have become their servitude.

The reference is not to Marcus Junius Brutus, the famous assassin of Cæsar, but to the much
earlier Lucius Junius Brutus, who led the overthrow of the tyrannical rule of the Tarquin
monarchs, and established the Roman Republic. When his own sons plotted to betray the fledgling
Republic and restore the old order, Brutus sat in judgment on them and sentenced them to death.

www.constitution.org/mac/disclivy_.htm
www.constitution.org/mac/prince00.htm
http://semi-vegan-in-dystopia.blogspot.com/2008/04/is-catcher-in-rye-m
ind-control-trigger.html

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has nothing to do with feminism, but more with capitalism

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No. What you say just isn't so.

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THE PHONY MUST DIE SAYS THE CATCHER IN THE RYE ! THE DUCK IS IN THE NOOSE MOTHER GOOSE !

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55-million genocided in USA since 1973...

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The fact of the matter is my position is that there's nothing offensive about female empowerment, but that early feminists were fascists

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Tying yourself to this older movement is like tying yourself to any other atrocious ideas.

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If the new feminists are going to be this hostile, then by all means, let them fail.

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Essentially, the basis is real: The ism of you is the flattery sell, it appeals to the ego, and a sense of superiority. That doesn't mean there aren't equality issues, etc. But, come to me with the approach of: "I'm going to ram my world view down your throat, and eat it buster" then I'm going to not look at those issues.

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Reality: there's a lot of scary stuff that goes on. ... Here's a harsh cold reality: So, nefarious doctrines in feminism? As I said, it's not unique. There's a powerful group out there with the stated goal of reducing the world's population to 1 billion.

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Now, if people drag up that baggage, you signal that yes, you are that old baggage, and nothing has changed.

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When I detailed the evolution of English genocide against the Irish, that was where I was coming from. Not from a wacko perspective. This is very real. Look at Ireland today: It's being colonized by Brits. The Irish are now a minority in Ireland. Soon, there will be no Ireland, just more of England. Part of a 1500 year plan. More than that, the Romans and Germans had to wipe the celts out of Europe first.

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When I hear someone come out in support of population control, that's scary, because of the purpose of population control, which is ultimately, genocide.

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So, is feminism hated? You betchya.

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DT

"I thought that agreeing to disagree would work ..."

As I get it, you want to be able to rant at length and make shit up, and can't stand when other people express their opinions if they are not in line with yours. You want this to be your personal forum and are looking for other people to just shut up and go along with whatever you post.

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Rue,

read that one, and several others. It's still a fact, as are the transfusions. What you are seeing is Koprowski's life work, clearing his name, and getting people to help him. I researched this a lot. I'm convinced, he did it, he should own up to it.

Sig,

Population control is a fascist idea. End of story. If you believe in it, we should avoid this topic.

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has nothing to do with feminism, but more with capitalism



You're missing a very large part of the puzzle. No movement ever succeeds without power backing. Feminism is an idea, but cannot win, and neither can civil rights, or anything else, without the backing of govt. or capital. This is because there is no power to the people. The people have no power. Watch the protests marching against every war there's ever been. 99% of the population can oppose a policy, and policy marches on. It only changes when the people in power want it to.

Were there well meaning people in the women's lib movemen? Of course there were. Did they effect the change. No, they couldn't, they didn't have the power. The only powers here are the gun and the buck. The gun belongs to the govt, and the buck belongs to the federal reserve.

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No. What you say just isn't so.



Oh, just keep telling yourself that. It makes all the nightmares go away. Peace and bunnyrabbits. The world is made of popcorn.

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Steinem and co are also very damaging

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It's not populations which have influence, it's capital itself. Gold, or the equiv, and the very few people who hold it.

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. Not debating Roe v Wade. I don't think we ever should. It's a waste of my time and a waste of yours. Neither of us is going to move

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there are lots of plans older than 1500 years, but for the English-Irish dispute, just read some history.

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Currently, it's population control. It's an evolution, the next step in genocide: Kill em, persecute them, persecute something that will tag them, but doesn't look like it's directed against them, move them, starve them out, rule them, keep them poor, and finally, try to influence or enforce population control on them. This is what the british have done, and they're not alone by a long stretch. There may be other more advanced, more discreet forms of genocide, they just haven't evolved yet, or haven't been recognized.

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By most men, and many women, those who ended up childless, and those who simply don't like being told "because you are female, you must believe this."

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So yes, I don't know a man who would marry a feminist, and I know a lot of men.

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it's loved only in one place: academia, and mostly by women.

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And she talks about the working class women in America in those times not having access to birth control, when the wealthy women do. I seriously doubt that was the case

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If wealthy women weren't having more children, it's because they were wealthier women, and their husbands probably didn't pay much attention to them. Really stuffy times back then.

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Anyhoo. The weird thing about that is, she's advocating birth control for the working class. She's a socialist. That doesn't make much sense to me, that would seem to interfere with her desired uprising of the working class.

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For instance, is is just abortion you're against or ALL forms of contraception? Because from a "eugenics" standpoint either mechanism will get you to the same end. (So will starvation by appropriation of goods or economic isolation. Did you know that during the potato famine, Ireland was exporting wheat, beef, milk, butter, and cheese?)

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So what is the basis for your reaction? Deliberate manipulations of populations

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Perhaps the concept of limiting the number of births as being reflective of a culture of death? Maybe you think cultures should celebrate life, and "nature" should deal death? That would be in-tune with the rest of your positions.

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Steinem and co are also very damaging

They are? How?
Not a big follower of Steinem, just trying to figure out what YOU mean by the "new" feminism, which I feel you really haven't explained.

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It's not populations which have influence, it's capital itself. Gold, or the equiv, and the very few people who hold it.

I guess this is where the nascent Marxist in me says... it's production that counts.

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That goes back to my question of... are you against contraception or just abortion?

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There are lots of disputes that have existed for centuries, but not so many "plans". I think what survives are memes, not plans.

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You can point to one example of genocide, but that doesn't mean that all forms of birth control are genocide. I just means that genocide is genocide.

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I don't know ANYONE who says "you must not have children"

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The way I see it, if you have the responsibility you have the authority. If you're the person who winds up raising children then YOU get to say whether or not you'll have children in the first place. It's the exact opposite of this demonic world-wide 100-year-old eugenics plan that you think is in place: it's putting the decision at the lowest level, where it belongs.

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Am I a feminist? I'm married. My hubby is not a feminist btw.

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Amazing, a womens' movement loved by women!

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Did you ever here about the Benguine communities?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Stop tag teaming, everyone hates it.

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