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Greed is a HUMAN failure

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Rule of law is the foundation of a good Capitalist system.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Greed is a HUMAN failure, and can no way, what so ever be attributed only to capitalism.

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Originally posted by citizen:
If Capitalism as a system promotes human failings that then lead to undermine it, it's hard to see how that can't be a systemic failure of capitalism.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If they paid their executives LESS, they might wind up with a better type of executive

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo... capitalism is NOT based on greed?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Greed is a HUMAN failure

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Yes, and Capitalism (unregulated) facilitates it. Yes, I agree.


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Can't blame capitalism for that.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If you have a system that is based on greed, that deems the greediest person to tbe the most successful, it is surprising that you develop a top echelon of the boundlessly, relentlessly greedy? Doesn't corruption naturally follow?

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Capitalism and the wealth it produces do not create opportunity for everyone equally. We recognize that the gap between the rich and the poor is wider than at anytime since the 1920's.We strive to create economic opportunities for those who have been denied them and to advance new models of economic justice that are sustainable and replicable.
By definition, the manufacturing of products creates waste. We strive to minimize our negative impact on the environment.
The growing of food is overly reliant on the use of toxic chemicals and other methods that are unsustainable. We support sustainable and safe methods of food production that reduce environmental degradation, maintain the productivity of the land over time, and support the economic viability of family farms and rural communities.
We seek and support nonviolent ways to achieve peace and justice. We believe government resources are more productively used in meeting human needs than in building and maintaining weapons systems.
We strive to show a deep respect for human beings inside and outside our company and for the communities in which they live.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Sig, the banks are capitalist institutions. The peanut thing is not, it's just free enterprise,

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Don't be stupid. Free enterprise is the basis of all capitalism.

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Can't blame capitalism for that.

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Of course I can. And I do.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, this guy really was a " bad guy" . Because he put the future of his plant and those who worked there at risk by KNOWINGLY shipping tainted product. That's not merely poor management, but negligence on a pathological level !

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It'd be like giving a loaded gun to a toddler and saying.... " as long as he stays alive, we're ok ! "

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Why should capitalism divi up the wealth equally when the risk isn't equally divided up either ? Those who start a business put far more into it and risk more than those who simply show up and work 9-5.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Human failings existed long , LONG before the concept of capitalism came about. It's silly to sugguset it facilitates that which was around so very long prior to its existence.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Why should capitalism divi up the wealth equally when the risk isn't equally divided up either ? Those who start a business put far more into it and risk more than those who simply show up and work 9-5."

So, Billy Gates did so much work and took so much risk he earned his multiple billions ? Is that why he's considered the patron saint of capitalism ?

At a cetain point you are more than compensated for any risk you took or any work you did. Let's take a look at Hewlett-Packard. Suppose you take a year off from your job to tinker in your garage. That's a year's worth of salary you've risked. Suppose you work night and day on your inventions. That's a year's worth of work you've risked. Suppose you borrow money. That's a loan's worth of risk. It seems that when you are compensated for those risks the balance sheet evens out and puts you on par with pretty much anyone else who does the work.

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Originally posted by rue:
To which work of fiction are you referring ?

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Greed is a HUMAN failure

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Yes, and Capitalism (unregulated) facilitates it. Yes, I agree.


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Key word " unregulated ". The peanut butter facility was regulated, and the dirt bag CEO still chose not to do the right thing. Can't blame capitalism for that.

Human failings existed long , LONG before the concept of capitalism came about. It's silly to sugguset it facilitates that which was around so very long prior to its existence.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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No, this guy really was a " bad guy" . Because he put the future of his plant and those who worked there at risk by KNOWINGLY shipping tainted product

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Originally posted by rue:
To which work of fiction are you referring ?

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It's called LIFE.

Try it sometime.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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No, this guy really was a " bad guy" . Because he put the future of his plant and those who worked there at risk by KNOWINGLY shipping tainted product

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Pretty much like the banks loaned money on terms the borrowers couldn't afford and then created leveraged products which they sold for far more money than they were worth???

NAAAAAHHHHH....

No capitalist would be that stupid!


Geezer: Ben&Jerry's versus Walmart. That's capitalism.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Rap Facts"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just so I get this straight. When ever I post a work of fiction so as to make a point, it's a bad thing. But when YOU do it, it's perfectly O.K. and legitimate ?

Glad we've cleared that up.

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Human failings existed long , LONG before the concept of capitalism came about. It's silly to sugguset it facilitates that which was around so very long prior to its existence.

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And guns don't facilitate killing, because killings took place long before the gun was ever invented.
You really don't see the holes in your loony-toon logic, do you, AU?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This has zero to do w/ Capitalism, silly.

You got an amoral CEO, Banks which were given $$ by a 'Czar' that had no control over how the $$ was spent, Cuomo isn't anyone to talk about what happens on Wall Street, Madoff was crooked from the get go, and dirty judges.

Greed is a HUMAN failure, and can no way, what so ever be attributed only to capitalism.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This has zero to do w/ Capitalism, silly.

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For the love of God...I agree with Raptor

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Originally posted by rue:
"Explain Ben & Jerry's, then. They're capitalists.
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Hmmm - yes. They are capitalists who actually agree that capitalism has the very flaws SignyM was mentioning.

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Originally posted by Geezer:


I could probably find an example of this non-greedy type of capitalist for every Peanut Corporation of America version SignyM can find. A lot of capitalists, including many successful capitalists, aren't greedy.

And greed isn't exclusive to the capitalist economic system either. Socialist and Communist factory managers have a history of forcing workers to produce shoddy and often unusable or dangerous goods so they can meet production quotas which have nothing to do with demand. They do this to get benefits and perks not available to their workers. In other words, they're greedy.

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