Man Charged with Arson over Australian Fires by JaynezTown

No, you shouldn't kill him. Why give him an easy way out?

Put him in prison with a "Bush Fire Starting Nonce" sign round his neck, and leave all the cell doors open at night.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 3:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by citizen:
No, you shouldn't kill him. Why give him an easy way out?

Put him in prison with a "Bush Fire Starting Nonce" sign round his neck, and leave all the cell doors open at night.

Said the bloke who condones torture.....

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:14 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Said the bloke who condones torture.....

In the same way you're condoning murder

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I'm not suggesting torture. Quite the opposite, with the cell doors open there'll be better air flow, fresh air is good for you.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:28 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

*sigh

Ok, lets be real clear about this...

Killing is NOT the same as MURDER.

God, I hate how they changed the Bible to cover that little jem.

Its NOT, "Thou shalt not KILL."

It IS "Thou shall not MURDER".

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And I used the Bible as an example, but it applys across the board.

You kill someone while defending your home, family, self....guess what? By any moral, legal, ethical, standards...you are free and clear. You did the right thing.

You murder someone for THEIR home, family or self....you are a violent dog that needs to be put down.

Murder = Wrong

Killing = Ok

See the difference?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

See the difference?

Sarcasm not your strong point then.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Hey, there's no need for wateboarding. Just tell the nice men what they want to know, and it's subway sammiches and sweet tea for all!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:18 AM

Guy appears to be one of these, with the additional icky factor of taking animal cruelty up to young humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacDonald_triad
Lock his ass up, without the extrajudicial vengance of feeding him to the other inmates, mind you - a practice that completely disgusts me and says far too much about you, mind.

And you find out what makes him tick, how to prevent it, and given the scope of his crimes, the usual ethics considerations that limit such studies normally will not apply.

There's a facet in machine engineering called "Test to destruction", where you take the testing up to and beyond the limits of the device in order to find out what they are, what makes it tick and how it works under critical stress.

I don't have a problem with doing that in a psychological fashion to a guy like this, and we just might learn something useful about preventing that particular flower of nastiness from blooming, mighten we ?

Get some USE out of the bastard, anyhows.

-F

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
a practice that completely disgusts me and says far too much about you, mind.

Doing it or saying it?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:51 AM

Even suggesting it - far too many folk here in the States are thrown in the slammer for ridiculous bullshit, which of itself would not be such a horrible thing, and then roughed up, raped or even murdered by the other inmates, and for what ?

I mean, simply matching the vague, general description of a suspect is enough to get you arrested, and spending the night in "The Fishbowl" isn't exactly a SAFE experience for anyone.

And now with DNA evidence bringing into clear focus just how many of those they actually convict are innocent of the crime - in a nation with what seems to be the highest incarceration rate on the planet...

Yeah, I have a problem with that, especially since we're supposedly and theoretically a nation of law and order, and as such, this particular thing brings to light just how much a mockery our so called justice system is.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/08/support-your-local-rape-g
ang.html

You might also take a look at this thread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=36857
Where the situation is far, far worse in regards to non-adult (read: less than human) "offenders" who did naught more than mock the assistant principle on your myspace page.
And with a rigged court besides.

So yeah, I have a seriously big issue with encouraging the abuse of prisoners who may or may not be innocent of any rational crime, any crime at all (see above, for judges paid off to convinct) or with a sentence horribly out of proportion for whatever act they committed in the first place.

Shouldn't I ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:56 AM

Fair enough. I'm just saying some off-hand hyperbole hardly says anything about me.

Having said that, I could care less what happens to some kiddie fiddler in prison. I'm sorry if your judicial system is fantastically corrupt, but I still can't seem to drag up any sympathy for people who rape children.

Also, this guy is in Australia, not the US.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:56 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Frem! God knows there isn't any place for common sense in these days.

The government rules all, and CARES ABOUT YOU! How dare you question that? How dare you even think for yourself!??

Besides,...in Rues, Citizens, and Sigys world, there will be peace, perfect and whole. Just dont think for yourself. Or smoke. Or use banned words.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:58 AM

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Btw, Citizen...this is America.

Yeah, land of the gunslingers and the patriots.

Sorry, but we want to do things OUR way.

Go make some trouble in that shit country you call home.

Leave us to our own.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Frem! God knows there isn't any place for common sense in these days.

The government rules all, and CARES ABOUT YOU! How dare you question that? How dare you even think for yourself!??

Besides,...in Rues, Citizens, and Sigys world, there will be peace, perfect and whole. Just dont think for yourself. Or smoke. Or use banned words.

Hey, it's better than your world, where people are free to be just like you or be forcibly evicted and/or re-educated. All hail the big brother of wulf...

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw, Citizen...this is America.

Yeah, land of the gunslingers and the patriots.

Sorry, but we want to do things OUR way.

Go make some trouble in that shit country you call home.

Leave us to our own.

Seriously, how stupid are you. THIS THREAD is about AUSTRALIA you dumb shit. It's right there in the title.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:02 AM

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Hey Shitizen, you earned it.

You and your Sisters want a fight? Bring it, bitch. Ill follow you from thread to thread.

Its how we won our Independence from your shitty country. Remember?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:06 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Besides,...in Rues, Citizens, and Sigys world, there will be peace, perfect and whole. Just dont think for yourself. Or smoke. Or use banned words."

You see, here's where you went off the rails, Wulf - responding to PEOPLE who NEVER posted and things that NOBODY posted. You do that a lot.

Medication will help that.

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Silence is consent.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hey Shitizen, you earned it.

You and your Sisters want a fight? Bring it, bitch. Ill follow you from thread to thread.

Its how we won our Independence from your shitty country. Remember?

Whatever Herr Wulfenwichsen.

Bring it bitch? The Internet hard man returns to prove how tiny his penis is in real life, good on ya. Advocating self defence, I bet you piss yourself and die of shock if anyone actually held you up, buttercup. Whatever, if you're that determined to prove you're an ignorant troll, go ahead.

And for the record, your big bad country won it's independence by getting the French, Spanish and Dutch to do most of the fighting for you. Now that's funny, freedom fries

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:22 AM

While it's likely this comment is gonna get buried in the usual unproductive bullshit, imma make it anyway.

And yes, I realize it was hyperbole, but it's a serious point in both of our societies that really does need to be addressed as well overdue.

When you espouse the principle of civil rights, of human rights - either you do so for EVERYONE, from Mother Theresa to Eddie Gein, or you do so for NO ONE.

They are either universal, or they are irrelevant, it's just that simple.

Look, for mine own, I would prefer to put him on his knees and spend a bullet, but that's wasteful when his own actions have given us the opportunity to mentally pick him to pieces as part of his sentencing for the crime, in hopes of preventing folks from winding up that messed up in the future.

Moral implications and lack of sympathy be damned, if you're going to decry vigilantism on one hand as you propose it on the other, that's just a mite ridiculous, innit ?

I don't have a problem with whatever this creep is sentenced to even if it's a date with the rope, so long as it's after a fair trial that results in a conviction and part of his properly executed sentence.

What I got a problem with is when folk decide the mere accusation of a crime is enough to strip a persons human rights from them, or that whatever sentence delivered isn't good enough for them and espousing adding stuff like this on top of it.

And also the fact that police LIE, as a matter of course, concerning said allegations, often for exactly the reason of convincing other inmates to act in this fashion..
"Just a few months prior to the Valentine's Day episode, deputies arranged for an inmate with a mental disability to experience prison rape: They locked him up with a federal prisoner serving a life sentence and claimed, falsely, that the mentally handicapped inmate had sexually molested a child. This could have led to homicide, given that child molesters are regularly beaten and killed behind bars. In this case, the victim was "only" raped and forced to perform oral sex on another prisoner."
(Cribbed from link above)

Anyhows, it really comes down to everyone, even the lowest of the low, Eddie Gein, Fred Phelps, even genuine monsters like Carl Panzram, they all got the same basic rights you and I do, until a fair trial and properly executed sentence removes them, and then they lose only those which they are sentenced to for the duration of that sentence.

To do any less, to propose any less, makes us in the end not one whit better than them, and makes the entire concept just a trite mockery veiling a bunch of pissed off villagers with torches and pitchforks.

And here I though we left witchburning behind a couple centuries ago, more fool me, I guess.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:28 AM

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Moral implications and lack of sympathy be damned, if you're going to decry vigilantism on one hand as you propose it on the other, that's just a mite ridiculous, innit ?

If that's what you say I was doing, I'm sure that's the case.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:52 AM