Why I Hate Capitalism by SignyM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

"95% of Americans pay no taxes whatsoever."

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

I suppose that's your sole example of me some how " lying " ???

Wow. So,if Obama says 95% are getting a tax cut, A COLOSSAL LIE, he's given a pass. Yet if I say it, making a point of how absurd his comments were, I'm some how lying ?

That's weak, even for you libs.

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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

"Sole" example? Hardly. Just one of the biggest and easiest to point out, because even you admitted that it was a lie, made up wholly of fiction pulled out of your ass.

What I heard Obama say was that 95% of WORKING AMERICANS would be getting a tax cut. That's hardly the same as saying 95% of ALL Americans, which is who you claimed paid no taxes in the first place.

As usual, your "defense" of your lies is weak, even for a brain-addled conservative.

That's yet another point I just schooled your ass on.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA

*pokes the angry monkey with a stick cause Rue stole all the arguments HE was gonna make*

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

That's yet another point I just schooled your ass on.

You win, AU loses. And he loses badly.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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95% of Americans pay no taxes whatsoever.- Rapo
Hey Mike, how do I join that club?-Chrisiall

Well, first you have to become a good old-fashioned American, you filthy foreign scum!!!!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:06 AM

CORNCOBB

Rap, don't assume you know the first thing about me, I actually have quit paying jobs before now, and managed ok so far with a chance of great prosperity if my projects pay off. My health and love life are just fine, thanks. I notice you didn't directly challenge my appraisal, just twisted the argument into a slightly different one.

New Orleans: well done, you managed to completely ignore my point, which was the people of New Orleans knew they were in a bad situation and would have wanted out,but they couldn't just magically conjure a more secure situation for themselves.

Capitalism: of course this is an attack on capitalism, it states that in the bloody thread title. I never said it wasn't. I said you cannot assume we are saying capitalism is SOLELY to blame for greed. To add to the dozens of posts to this effect, no-one here is saying that! We are sayign that capitalism encourages greed. Other systems might do also, but we're not covering the whole history of economics here.

Honestly Rap, read the bloody posts and think carefully before responding, for your own sake, cos I feel like I'm teasing an idiot child. Or did you really just not understand what I was saying?

Edit: noticed you did challenge my appraisal actually. well done. Your arguments are unsupported but at least you tried on that one. For the record, I don't know the number one cause of divorce, but if it actually is money it shouldn't be. As for health, well we're back to square one. I say is, you say isn't. But at least my 'is' is backed up by some facts.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Corncobb:
I feel like I'm teasing an idiot child.

(Actually, it's poking an angry monkey.)

The correcting Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:11 AM

CORNCOBB

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Corncobb puts my weak (but still stronger than AU's) argument into the most exact of words!
Thanks, buddy!

The laughing Chrisisall

No prob

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
you filthy foreign scum!!!!

I try not to be...dropping my Kryptonian heritage is difficult though.

The Super Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 3:41 PM

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PEANUT PROCESSOR FILES FOR BANKRUPTCY

(CNN) -- The peanut processing company at the heart of a national salmonella outbreak, Peanut Corp. of America, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation in court Friday in Lynchburg, Virginia.

The documents were filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Western District of Virginia.

The bankruptcy papers were signed by Stewart Parnell, the president of Peanut Corp., who invoked his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination in refusing to answer questions this week in a congressional hearing.

Bacteria found in the company's Blakely, Georgia, peanut processing plant have been blamed for more than 600 cases of salmonella, including nine deaths.

The Texas Health Department on Thursday ordered products from the company's plant in Plainview, Texas, to be recalled after discovering dead rodents, rodent excrement and bird feathers in the plant.

A call to the company's telephone number, which was working earlier this week, elicited a recording that said it was no longer in service.

"The long and the short of it is that we kicked the tires on reorganizing the company, and, frankly, they're just in a position now where they can't even conduct business," said Andrew S. Goldstein, a lawyer for the company. "They can't operate at all, and this just seemed like the inevitable course."

In a written statement, Consumers Union said Friday's declaration shows that Congress needs to strengthen the Food and Drug Administration and hike the penalties it can impose.

"It is unacceptable for corporations to put consumers' health at risk and then simply declare bankruptcy and go out of business when they get caught," said Jean Halloran, director of food policy initiatives at Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports.

"PCA's declaration of bankruptcy will, among other things, shield it from liability suits filed by consumers who became sick or whose loved ones died as a result of eating PCA's peanut products," she said.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 3:44 PM

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Pretty much like Johns Manville and asbestos.

Damn but I'm sick of getting screwed!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 3:56 PM

Can we put their assets in a blind trust so they're set aside for the families of the sick and the dead?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM

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"Can we put their assets in a blind trust ...?"

Can we put their asses in a sling ?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:32 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is the ONE TIME when harsh punishment would act as a deterent.

'Cause MOST criminals are so out of control of their own emotions that they're not thinking an hour ahead of time, much less a week or a year.

But corporate criminals???

They weigh the odds. They balance the risk of getting caught and the severity of punishment against the reward of potentially killing people for a higher profit.

If they really thought they'd be strung up by their balls for it their equations would come out a whole lot differently!

"Lynching is too good for 'em!"
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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is the ONE TIME when harsh punishment would act as a deterent.

'Cause MOST criminals are so out of control of their own emotions that they're not thinking an hour ahead of time, much less a week or a year.

But corporate criminals???

They weigh the odds. They balance the risk of getting caught and the severity of punishment against the reward of potentially killing people for a higher profit.

If they really thought they'd be strung up by their balls for it their equations would come out a whole lot differently!

"Lynching is too good for 'em!"
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Signy, I've been calling for this for quite a while. Not slap-on-the-wrist punishment, not Club Fed punishment, but rough mob justice. Take people like these - and Bernie Madoff - and hang them from light poles. And leave them there for a bit, as a gentle reminder to others what will happen if you fuck this many people over this much.

This peanut-butter douchebag is essentially a serial killer now; why should we treat him any better?

Rue: "Asses in a sling", sure - but make sure BEFORE we do that (or mete out mob justice) we put their ASSETS in a trust, because there are an awful lot of people who are going to need them.

This fuck just killed a bunch of people with his money-grubbing greed, so now he wants to hurry and declare bankruptcy before the lawsuits can be filed, so he'll be off the hook.

String 'im up! It'll teach 'im a lesson!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:19 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If they really thought they'd be strung up by their balls for it their equations would come out a whole lot differently!

"Lynching is too good for 'em!"

So when folk violate the rule of law, you think it's OK to violate the rule of law in response. You're kinda losing the moral high ground here.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:31 PM

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Geezer

Where in the post did it say that the justice system should be bypassed ? HMMM ? Where. Please quote it. In fact, I insist.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:38 PM

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Geezer

Where in the post did it say that the justice system should be bypassed ? HMMM ? Where. Please quote it. In fact, I insist.

Don't lynchings sort of qualify?
I mean, I agree about the harsh penalties for corporate serial killers though.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:45 PM

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Lynching being too good for them - in other words, too quick and not the preferred method. It doesn't exactly qualify as an endorsement for lynching. Just the opposite.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Lynching being too good for them - in other words, too quick and not the preferred method. It doesn't exactly qualify as an endorsement for lynching. Just the opposite.

What would you suggest then? Perhaps waterboarding?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:02 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Corncobb:
Rap, don't assume you know the first thing about me, I actually have quit paying jobs before now, and managed ok so far with a chance of great prosperity if my projects pay off.

Never have assumed to know you, any more than y'all know me. But I'm glad you've got a chance to reap great rewards. That's EXACTLY my point. Goodonya!

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My health and love life are just fine, thanks. I notice you didn't directly challenge my appraisal, just twisted the argument into a slightly different one.
No need, because you glossed over my point, there was no real need to belabour it any more.

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New Orleans: well done, you managed to completely ignore my point, which was the people of New Orleans knew they were in a bad situation and would have wanted out,but they couldn't just magically conjure a more secure situation for themselves.
Yeah, they could have, if they could get rid of the mental block that they NEEDED the Fed Gov't to come save them. There's blame enough to go around, but that's a whole other story.

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Honestly Rap, read the bloody posts and think carefully before responding, for your own sake, cos I feel like I'm teasing an idiot child. Or did you really just not understand what I was saying?

Read the post and know what's being said. That I'm not agreeing with you is what has you bent.

Too bad.

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Edit: noticed you did challenge my appraisal actually. well done. Your arguments are unsupported but at least you tried on that one. For the record, I don't know the number one cause of divorce, but if it actually is money it shouldn't be. As for health, well we're back to square one. I say is, you say isn't. But at least my 'is' is backed up by some facts.

What 'facts' are you using ? It SHOULDN'T be? Honestly, I saw none, save for your own personal, anecdotal experience.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:06 PM

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BDN

Doooood - wasn't my post.

Sheesh - some people are clueless - 'ya know ?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:09 PM

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"... if they could get rid of the mental block that they NEEDED the Fed Gov't to come save them ..."

And - do what, exactly ? Be specific.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Doooood - wasn't my post.

So you stick up for Signy until the going gets tough?

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Originally posted by rue:
Sheesh - some people are clueless - 'ya know ?

You have no idea.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:30 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by rue:
"... if they could get rid of the mental block that they NEEDED the Fed Gov't to come save them ..."

And - do what, exactly ? Be specific.

You're kidding, right ? GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE, DUMBASS! ( directed at you and anyone who didn't leave BEFORE the hurricane hit ) WALK if you have to, to higher ground. Damn, even rats have enough sense to jump off a sinking ship! And humans are much smarter than rats, except when they blindly cling to the belief that they can't do anything for themselves, and instead shut off their minds to all else except the mental image of Uncle Sam , coming to the rescue. It's beyond sad. Like the folks who trust in God to cure their baby, instead of going to a doctor or taking the most basic of medicine. Wilful ignorance!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:33 PM

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Lets' see

1) I wasn't sticking up for Signy

2) I was pointing out what had been actually posted

3) In the interests of accuracy (see 1) and 2) above) I have no interest in going beyond the written word.

And your point is ? I'd be really curious if you could actually come up with one, or if you'll slink off with your tail between your legs.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:50 PM

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And your point is ? I'd be really curious if you could actually come ip(sic) with one, or if you'll slink off with your tail between your legs.

Properly regulated capitalism is the best economic system going IMHO.
Wanders off with something between my legs (which ain't no tail).

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:16 PM

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Geezer:

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You're kinda losing the moral high ground here.

I'm not losing the moral high ground, but you're definitely gaining on the "stupid" ground! Didja notice the quotes? Huh, huh, huh? Might that not indicate a certain lack of seriousness??

'Pparently not!

Sheesh!!

So, untwist your panties 'cause they're in a bunch about nothing. And take some Pamprin. you'll feel better in a few days.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Umm, yeah but there's that "properly regulated" part which seems to be, yanno... kinda missing.

Then there's corporate personhood, of course.

My thoughts on it ?

He didn't wanna obey the law, doesn't want it to apply to him - fiiiiine and dandy.

Declare him open-season, as in no charges will come to a family member of those harmed or killed by his actions, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO TO HIM.

He don't want the laws of this country to apply to him, grant his fuckin wish, then.

That's always been my bitch, at the whole corporate concept, they want the laws to apply when it protects them, and not when those laws protect people from them - and they prettymuch got their way since the days of the railroad barons, haven't they ?

Have I not made point about the fact that 100% of the time, the Government, sometimes even the army, has stepped in to protect these goons against the folks they have wronged, particularly union workers ?

But not ONCE in recorded history, have ever stepped in to protect the workers from the corpies when it came to blows ?

Go hands off, is what I say - simply legalise retaliation on behalf of the victims, or by the victims, instead of protecting the bastards from it and by that action enabling this crap.

Believe me, it would put a serious dent in such abuses, and damned quickly.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:23 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Properly regulated capitalism is the best economic system going IMHO.

Of course regulation isn't part of capitalism. Well regulated capitalism, is by virtue, partly socialist. That is, government enforced market regulations are a socialist program.

So your statement, verbosely, is "A properly balanced socialist-capitalist economy, is the best economic system going IMHO."

I agree.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:59 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Properly regulated capitalism is the best economic system going IMHO.

Of course regulation isn't part of capitalism. Well regulated capitalism, is by virtue, partly socialist. That is, government enforced market regulations are a socialist program.

So your statement, verbosely, is "A properly balanced socialist-capitalist economy, is the best economic system going IMHO."

I agree.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

That sounds about right. That's why I don't understand when folk try to paint someone with the "He's a SOCIALIST!" brush - as if we ALL weren't, so some degree or another.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That sounds about right. That's why I don't understand when folk try to paint someone with the "He's a SOCIALIST!" brush - as if we ALL weren't, so some degree or another.

It seems to me in the US Socialism has been lumped in with Communism, and America has never really ever gotten over it's Red Scares. In other words, in the states, shouting "Socialist" is much like shouting "Witch" in Salem a few hundred years ago.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:41 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Didja notice the quotes? Huh, huh, huh? Might that not indicate a certain lack of seriousness??

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If they really thought they'd be strung up by their balls for it their equations would come out a whole lot differently!

No quotes there. You're proposing torture as a deterrent to capitalists. No quotes, no emoticons, no "Heh heh" to indicate you're joking. Given your history of unremitting and violent hate speech against capitalists and the capitalist system, how can one not believe you're being serious?

The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment - such as being strung up by the balls - yet you state it should be used. You obviously mean it to be used in an extra-judicial manner, bypassing the rule of law.

Given the above, it should be obvious to any logical person that you can't wait to take the law, and capitalist's balls, into your own hands.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:29 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, c'mon Geezer, give it a rest already. "Strung up by their balls". It's figure of speech, man, like "letting the cat out of the bag" or "top dog" or "run like the wind" or "raining cats and dogs". A colorful way of saying "harsh punishment".

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how can one not believe you're being serious?

By being an intelligent reader and not looking to pick fights over figures of speech, perhaps?

You must REALLY be between the devil and the deep blue if you're taking my figure of speech and trying to nail me to the wall with it. That doesn't make you top dog. Still, I'm all ears to hear what you'll pull out of your ass next! It's bound to be a hoot!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:29 AM

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You must REALLY be between the devil and the deep blue if you're taking my figure of speech and trying to nail me to the wall with it. That doesn't make you top dog. Still, I'm all ears to hear what you'll pull out of your ass next! It's bound to be a hoot!

I lost. So geezer was riding a dog past a dark blue devil, when he tried to hammer you to a wall with a speaking figurine. Now you're waiting to remove your ears from his anus, do either of you need medical attention?

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:36 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Exactly!!!!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:23 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You must REALLY be between the devil and the deep blue if you're taking my figure of speech and trying to nail me to the wall with it.

But when you and your like-minded buddies pull one remark out of a discussion and turn it into an insult-filled cause celebre to shut down any opposing opinions, it's OK.

And, given the vitriol you repeatedly spew at the very mention of capitalism, I still suspect you'd be perfectly willing to apply a little "harsh punishment" without benefit of judicial sanction.

Actually, considering the personal insults and attacks you fling at anyone who dares to disagree with you, you're probably a danger to everyone who isn't 100% in line with your dogma.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Didja notice the quotes? Huh, huh, huh? Might that not indicate a certain lack of seriousness??

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If they really thought they'd be strung up by their balls for it their equations would come out a whole lot differently!

No quotes there. You're proposing torture as a deterrent to capitalists. No quotes, no emoticons, no "Heh heh" to indicate you're joking. Given your history of unremitting and violent hate speech against capitalists and the capitalist system, how can one not believe you're being serious?

The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment - such as being strung up by the balls - yet you state it should be used. You obviously mean it to be used in an extra-judicial manner, bypassing the rule of law.

Given the above, it should be obvious to any logical person that you can't wait to take the law, and capitalist's balls, into your own hands.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Geezer, would you prefer we waterboard them? After all, that's not torture, right? (Except that it is)

Hell, if it would make it more convenient for you, I'm sure we could use the "Patriot" Act to find a loophole that would rank them as "enemy combatants" - and thus Constitutional protections need no longer apply. After all, hasn't American Peanut Corp. just unleashed a biological attack on U.S. soil?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You must REALLY be between the devil and the deep blue if you're taking my figure of speech and trying to nail me to the wall with it.

But when you and your like-minded buddies pull one remark out of a discussion and turn it into an insult-filled cause celebre to shut down any opposing opinions, it's OK.

Like "Lipstick on a pig" for instance? You mean pulling one remark like that out of a discussion and whinging, pissing, and moaning about it for weeks on end, and trying to use its "sexist" connotations to shut down any opposition? Is that what you're referring to?

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And, given the vitriol you repeatedly spew at the very mention of capitalism, I still suspect you'd be perfectly willing to apply a little "harsh punishment" without benefit of judicial sanction.

And, given the vitriol you and your kind repeatedly spew at the very mention of socialism, I still suspect you'd be perfectly willing to apply a little "harsh punishment" (like torture, of which we allegedly don't) without benefit of judicial sanction. By the way, speaking of judicial sanction, how many of those Guantanamo detainees were legally charged, tried, and convicted before being tortured by the United States?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:10 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Actually, considering the personal insults and attacks you fling at anyone who dares to disagree with you, you're probably a danger to everyone who isn't 100% in line with your dogma.

Geezer, why so serious?
Lighten up, bro.
BTW, only one person actually called for a lynching that I saw.
You have no case. (Ooops! I owe AU a quarter now!)

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Geezer, why so serious?
Lighten up, bro.

Perhaps you need to start a new thread to discuss what you perceive to be Geezer's shortcomings. That ought to put him in his place. What do you think Mr. Isall?

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:03 AM

CORNCOBB

Nonsense previously posted by Rap:
"Never have assumed to know you". Um, yes you did, you assumed that I hadn't ever quit a job to try to make it on my own. You said I was talking about something I had no experience of.

"I'm glad you've got a chance to reap great rewards. That's EXACTLY my point". Thanks, truely, but that wasn't your point when you mentioned the risks emtrepreneurs take, your point seemed to be that anyone who has gotten rich in such a manner automatically deserve however much money they get because they've taken risks. Don't agree: bravery and ambition are sometimes good qualities and frequently useful, but shouldn't really be the sole basis for our concept of deserving. There are plenty of fantastic qualities that don't make any money.

"you glossed over my point, there was no real need to belabour it any more". Which is why I glossed over it. But I picked holes in your argument, by questioning their theoretical foundation, and thus my comments were relevant.

"Yeah, they could have, if they could get rid of the mental block that they NEEDED the Fed Gov't to come save them" Already said their situation has little to do with dependency. As somebody who I hear is 'taken care of' I wouldn't expect you to understand. It is sometimes possible to improve your social status, location etc, but not always, and its usually very difficult. You can't just wave a magic wand.

"That I'm not agreeing with you is what has you bent" Nope, I'm enjoying taking advantage of your inability to make cojent arguments, and inability to observe reality (and other people's posts) objectively.

"What 'facts' are you using ? It SHOULDN'T be? Honestly, I saw none" 'Shouldn't be' was in response to marriage problems, 'facts' was in response to health. Again, interperate the posts rationally and observe reality objectively, it will help. I was referring to the fact that work often damages health (which I had previously mentioned). I am aware that unemployment comes with health risks also, but these are usually caused by extreme cases of long term or perpetual empoverishment, which is sometimes caused by unemployment, but more often by class problems generally, which include low-wage employment. My point is, since employment and unemployment both involve health risks depending on situation and lifestyle, surely this factor is negated.

Anyhoo, it's been fun but I'm startign to feel slightly ashamed of myself for taking advantage to fuel my own intellectual narcissism

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:20 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I still suspect you'd be perfectly willing to apply a little "harsh punishment" without benefit of judicial sanction.

Erm, so once again you're arguing with the voices in your head?

Sad little man.

Call me when anyone interesting shows up.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:43 AM

America loves a winner!

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Nonsense previously posted by Rap:
"Never have assumed to know you". Um, yes you did, you assumed that I hadn't ever quit a job to try to make it on my own. You said I was talking about something I had no experience of.

That's hardly suggesting I know YOU, only a tiny part of what you've done/ not done.

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"I'm glad you've got a chance to reap great rewards. That's EXACTLY my point". Thanks, truely, but that wasn't your point when you mentioned the risks emtrepreneurs take, your point seemed to be that anyone who has gotten rich in such a manner automatically deserve however much money they get because they've taken risks.
If they can get it, it doens't matter if you agree or not. I don't begrudge anyone for making what they can, good for them.

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Don't agree: bravery and ambition are sometimes good qualities and frequently useful, but shouldn't really be the sole basis for our concept of deserving. There are plenty of fantastic qualities that don't make any money.
So? Now you're talking apples and oranges. I was responding to the absurd notion that people should only reap the benefits for striking out on their own to the dollar amount for which they gave up. Like, if you left your job making X amount of dollars, then you should only make X amount of dollars , and no more. Some folks risk things so they can make MUCH more than they were, which is the point of the risk. Not always, I know, but generally, we don't stick our necks out so we can end up in the exact same place ( financially ) as where we started. Nothing would ever get done if that were the case!

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"Yeah, they could have, if they could get rid of the mental block that they NEEDED the Fed Gov't to come save them" Already said their situation has little to do with dependency. As somebody who I hear is 'taken care of' I wouldn't expect you to understand. It is sometimes possible to improve your social status, location etc, but not always, and its usually very difficult. You can't just wave a magic wand.
Again, you're talking apples and oranges. ( I'm begining to think you're simply arguing for the sake of it, and not interested in anything at all here ) This has nothing to do w/ " social status" , I was speaking of physically getting the hell out of the way of an impending natural disaster! I wasn't talking about " rasiing one's socio-economic status " over one's life time. Sheeesh! DIFFERENT ISSUE!

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"That I'm not agreeing with you is what has you bent" Nope, I'm enjoying taking advantage of your inability to make cojent arguments, and inability to observe reality (and other people's posts) objectively.
No, you instead enjoy pretending to be a pompous ass, and being confrontational for no real purpose , what so ever.

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Anyhoo, it's been fun but I'm startign to feel slightly ashamed of myself for taking advantage to fuel my own intellectual narcissism

Bored now. On your way.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:54 AM

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if they can get it, it doens't matter if you agree or not. I don't begrudge anyone for making what they can, good for them.

A perfect example of capitalism facilitating greed.

Good job!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:55 AM

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Perhaps you need to start a new thread to discuss what you perceive to be Geezer's shortcomings. That ought to put him in his place. What do you think Mr. Isall?

Listen, BigDamnNothing-to-say, Geezer may be many things, but a idiot ain't one of 'em. I only start threads to personally attack REAL stupidity in folks.

Hmmmm, might be you need one, ya think?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:56 AM

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if they can get it, it doens't matter if you agree or not. I don't begrudge anyone for making what they can, good for them.
A perfect example of capitalism facilitating greed.

Good job!

Yes, that was a very fine example indeed.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:58 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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if they can get it, it doens't matter if you agree or not. I don't begrudge anyone for making what they can, good for them.
A perfect example of capitalism facilitating greed.

Good job!

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Define " greed " .

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:02 PM

Noun 1. greedgreed - excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves
desire - an inclination to want things; "a man of many desires"
avariciousness, cupidity, avarice, covetousness - extreme greed for material wealth
possessiveness - excessive desire to possess or dominate
acquisitiveness - strong desire to acquire and possess
2. greed - reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins)

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:07 PM