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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I really don't see a problem with this. An independent country shouldn't have to justify what foreigner they do or don't allow into their country. If this was done by the British to one of their own citizens, I would see a problem, but if you think you can spout any kind of hate speech you like and then travel the world freely doing it, you've got another think coming.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I really don't see a problem with this. An independent country shouldn't have to justify what foreigner they do or don't allow into their country. If this was done by the British to one of their own citizens, I would see a problem, but if you think you can spout any kind of hate speech you like and then travel the world freely doing it, you've got another think coming.

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Would it be considered " hate speech " to diss Hitler's Germany before they started invading their neighbors ?

Fine if they invade France, but when they start dropping bombs on London..... then that's REALLY crossing the line ?

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Originally posted by participant:
Dutch MP to be charged

Shame on The Netherlands

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
AU, you really need to watch this.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
The Dutch MP and the retreat of British liberalism
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc3cf60e-fc4c-11dd-aed8-000077b07658.html

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Balla Da Li!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

We need more his type in the world. Good stuff.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Balla Da Li!

Is it just me, or was that pretty funny?

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force

Winston Churchill

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Offending The Islamofascists
http://www.canyon-news.com/artman2/publish/John_Armor_1158/Offending_t
he_Islamofascists.php
Posted by John Armor on Feb 22, 2009 - 5:53:44 AM

It was just a minor story on Friday about a Dutch politician being denied entry to Britain at a London airport. You might well have missed it. But it was an
extremely important event for its broader meaning.

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12 weeks for killing for a man. Sheriff Matt Dillon is spinning in his grave.

The Muslim peer who was responsible for Geert Wilders’ banning in Britain has been jailed. He “struck and killed a young man with his Jaguar” while text messaging. The victim’s parents were understandably unhappy with the sentence. They lost their son, this manslaughter inciter of Islamic violence gets 12 weeks.

Lord Ahmed threatened “to bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the House of Lords” if it went ahead with an event at which the Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders would have introduced a screening of his controversial film Fitna.

* There are currently calls for ex-jailbirds to be barred from the House of Lords, but don’t hold your breath. ‘Lord’ Ahmed is not a hereditary lord, he was made a lord by ex-prime minister, the unlamented Tony ‘Bliar’ Blair, a few years back.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan: Christians Concerned by Latest Muslim Rape, Killing Spree

How ironic that the British government should call the urbane and utterly fine and decent Geert Wilders a“threat to society”, when this man is the real threat to society.

I wonder — will there be tens of thousands rioting in the streets for Lord Nazi?
Lord Ahmed jailed The Star

SOUTH Yorkshire peer Lord Ahmed was today jailed for 12 weeks for texting while driving on a motorway just before he was involved in a crash in which a man died.
Lord Ahmed, aged 51, looked stunned but showed not other emotion as he was sent down by the Judge Mr Justice Wilkie at Sheffield Crown Court this morning.

The Judge told him: “In my judgement only custody can be justified.”

Previously at Atlas:

**NEW VIDEO** DEBATE FOR THE SAKE, THE SURVIVAL OF A NATION: THE HOUSE OF LORDS

GEERT WILDERS ARRESTED! REFUSED ENTRY

“Threat to society? I’m an elected member of Parliament; I have done nothing wrong,” “I’m a normal, law-abiding democrat. You might agree or disagree with my political point of view, but I’m no threat to anyone.”

BREAKING: WILDERS DENIED ENTRANCE TO UK!

WILDERS: “LET THEM ARREST ME AT HEATHROW”

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Geert Wilders on Capitol Hill

There is a foreign element threatening America. He believes the Qur'an promotes violence. He creates videos of Muslims committing terrorist acts and hopes mainstream media plays them. He is committed to the clash of civilizations -- Islam vs. the West. Britain, our primary ally, denied him entry, claiming he was a threat to public order. Now he wants to come here.

This foreign element does not speak Arabic. He does not pray five times a day. He does not have a beard. He is not even a Muslim. He is Geert Wilders, a Member of Parliament from a right-wing party in the Netherlands. Why he's so interested in amplifying Osama bin Laden's message that Islam promotes violence and division I don't know.

And why he's being invited to screen his offensive film Fitna in the ornate LBJ room in the U.S. Capitol confuses me too. My friend Keith Ellison, an African-American Congressman from Minnesota and a Muslim, compared it to screening the horribly racist film The Birth of the Nation in the White House.

A lot of people are mad about this. But I don't think this is the time to get mad. I think this is the time to think strategy, and to remember core American values.

First, strategy.

1) If this becomes a conversation about free speech, go ahead and hand Geert Wilders the trophy because he wins. The truth is lots of things qualify under free speech. Dirty jokes. Ugly lies. Stupid rumors. Probably Fitna does too. Let's not get into that cat fight. The issue isn't whether it's legal to screen Fitna in the LBJ room, but whether it's American to do so. Shouldn't the best of America be on display in the Senate? Shouldn't Capitol Hill be amplifying our tradition of pluralism rather than returning to the dark days of racism?

2) If our best idea is to protest Wilders we give him the images he wants -- the heroic free speech crusader surrounded by a group of angry looking (preferably bearded) people shouting him down.

3) We shouldn't try to get Fitna banned. And we shouldn't try to get Wilders deported. We should simply point out that Wilders highlights a choice for America: Should we engage one-fifth of the world's population by punching them in the mouth or by reaching our hand out in friendship? Which approach represents the American way?

As God and America would have it, the American Way happens to be on display the same day that Wilders is screening his film. It's a made-for-TV contrast.

Thursday afternoon, Senator John Kerry will be hosting a hearing on how the US. can best engage Muslim communities around the world. Kerry is concerned about the dismal image of the U.S. among a large swath of humanity, and is convinced that we can improve this by better communicating American values.

Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright will be testifying, as will Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, and me. My guess is that all of us will say the first step to improving America's image and foreign relations is simply showing respect towards our fellow human beings, including Muslims. Quite universal, really. Africans want respect. Europeans want respect. Americans want respect. Muslims want respect. Pretty basic.

President Obama understands the American virtue of showing respect to others. In his Inaugural Address he told the Muslim world "we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect." His first interview was with Al Arabiya, where he stated "My job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect."

I'm confident that most Americans, seeing the stark choice between Kerry's hearing and Wilders' film, will choose the best of our nation instead of the worst of someone else's country.

Come to think of it, I'm glad Geert Wilders is on Capitol Hill. I hope he drops by our session. Maybe he'll learn something about American values too.

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We all have this Muslim thing wrong. Islam is the religion of peace and we're all just a bunch of racist, religious bigots. Bridges TV was created by Muzzammil Hassan to counter the negative stereotypes.
http://www.black-and-right.com/2009/02/16/bridges-tv-founder-fights-mu
slim-stereotypes-by-beheading-wife/

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:

Metropolitan Police commander Ali Dizaei charged over restaurant scuffle

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/536236
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NEW YORK, July 2, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Human rights activists Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) are challenging the decision to ban them from the United Kingdom, and have instructed lawyers in that country.

Geller and Spencer are challenging British Home Secretary Theresa May's decision to prevent them from entering the country in order to lay a wreath at a memorial for British soldier Lee Rigby on Armed Forces Day, June 29. Rigby was murdered by Islamic jihadists on a street in Woolwich on May 22.

Geller, AFDI's Executive Director, said in a statement: "I have been banned in Britain. My crime? My principled dedication to freedom. I am a human rights activist dedicated to freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and individual rights for all before the law. I fiercely oppose violence and the persecution and oppression of minorities under supremacist law. I deplore violence and work for the preservation of freedom of speech to avoid violent conflict."

AFDI's Associate Director, Spencer, noted that the United Kingdom recently admitted the Saudi Muslim cleric Mohammed al-Arifi, who has said: "Devotion to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer." Spencer added: "Such open calls for jihad violence are apparently acceptable in Britain as long as one is in favor of such violence; only those who oppose it are excluded."

A petition asking British authorities to remove the ban and allow Geller and Spencer into the country has gained over 8,000 signatures in just a few days; it can be found at www.britishban.com. Geller and Spencer have also established a website for updates on the case and donations to this cause of free speech: www.britishlegalfund.com.

AFDI stands for:

-- The freedom of speech -- as opposed to Islamic prohibitions of
"blasphemy" and "slander," which are used effectively to quash honest
discussion of jihad and Islamic supremacism;

-- The freedom of conscience -- as opposed to the Islamic death penalty for
apostasy;

-- The equality of rights of all people before the law -- as opposed to
Sharia's institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims.

Join the AFDI Facebook page here.

For more information, contact Pamela Geller at writeatlas@aol.com.

SOURCE American Freedom Defense Initiative

/Web site: http://www.britishban.com

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Free speech is free speech, it's either universal or it's just another tool of oppression.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
"These people are predators and the common denominator is their ethnic heritage."

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