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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


By letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

Spending Buffet comes first, needs of the nation?

Check back w/ O later. Much later.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:14 AM

CHRISISALL


Of COURSE taxes will be going up, how else do you pay down a war debt in times of bad economy??? What are you, a total backbirth?
Sheesh!

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:36 AM

AURAPTOR

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Cut spending ? The Fed Gov't sure as hell can't be trusted w/the people's $$ , especially if they want to jump start the economy.

Quote:


Florida professor, wife accused of stealing money from NASA
(CNN) -- Federal authorities raided the office of a University of Florida professor on Wednesday who, along with his wife, is suspected of defrauding NASA.

The FBI searched the school's Innovative Nuclear Space Power and Propulsion Institute, founded by Samim Anghaie, and his office on campus, said university spokesman Steve Orlando. Anghaie is a professor of radiological engineering.

FBI spokesman Jeff Westcott would only confirm the searches on campus, referring all questions to the U.S. attorney's office. Calls to the U.S. attorney's office were not returned Wednesday.

According to an affidavit filed February 19, investigators from the FBI and NASA said that since 1999, the government has awarded 13 contracts to the couple's company, New Era Technology Inc. (NETECH), and deposited $3.4 million into the company's corporate account. Investigators allege they diverted much of the money from the corporate account into personal accounts to buy cars and property.

According to NETECH's Web site, the company was established in 1988 as a research and development firm to perform "high-tech, cutting edge research." It boasts "a highly skilled staff of research scientists, engineers, and physicists" and lists NASA, the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy among its employers.

Anghaie's wife, Sousan, is president of NETECH, which is listed under the couple's residential address in Gainesville, according to court documents. The couple have two sons; Hamid, 28, and Ali, 31.

Since 2001, Hamid Anghaie, who lives in Tampa, has been director and vice president of the company. Before Hamid took over, his father had the post, according to court documents.

Ali Anghaie, who lives in Manchester, Connecticut, works for an aerospace firm, Pratt & Whitney, also listed among NETECH's employers.

Calls to the home of Samim and Sousan Anghaie were not immediately returned Wednesday.

Authorities said the Anghaies took advantage of two federal grant programs set up to stimulate technological innovation in the private sector and strengthen the role of small businesses.

Under the NETECH name, they "submitted multiple fraudulent certified contract proposals to NASA, in order to receive the maximum funding for proposed research contracts," according to court documents.

The couple allegedly submitted fraudulent invoices to reimburse payments to "alleged employees," which ultimately resulted in the government overpaying the company, the documents say.

The money was allegedly diverted to personal accounts through the intentional overpayment of employees, including Samim Anghaie, or the payments made to "illegitimate" employees, including the two sons, according to the documents.

Samim Anghaie, who has worked for the University of Florida for nearly 30 years, has been placed on administrative leave with pay, Orlando said.



Cut out this sort of thievery and embezzlement, and our "cost" for running the Gov't comes down.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How much $$$ has BlackWater stolen from the defense department?

And I asked on another thread, but I'll ask again here - which defense department projects are you willing to cut? It's only sensible, since defense/military spending is by far the largest piece of the budget pie.

Since the wars and the "enormulus" deficit spending on defense and "security" of the Bush era are what put us in this mess, let's start by cutting military spending in half.

Also, let's cut the NSA budget for illegal warrantless wiretaps. In fact, let's cut it to zero dollars. There - I've saved you billions already!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
which defense department projects are you willing to cut?

Mike, you missed the RAPfact where military spending is only 16% of the budget. According to that you have no case.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:28 AM

DREAMTROVE


Hell, I ain't paying for this illegal war.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:28 AM

DREAMTROVE


This post isn't here

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hmm... let's see... Madoff makes off with $50 billion.

The Merrill exectives gave themselves a $3.6 billion dollar payoff right before the compnay tanked.

Enron's Ken Lay (a good friend of Bush), skilling, and Fastow cooked the books for years, created "power outages" to hijack the state of California to the tune of about $30 billion, and took its employees pensions funds with it when it went down, taking $100 billion with it.


Global Crossing, Adelphia, Qwest, Tyco, WorldCom, Countrywide, IndyMac, Stanford Financial, Wamu, Citibank, UBS ... if I were to actually research a list of billion-dollar-plus scams in the past decade there would prolly be about 100 separate names.
www.forbes.com/2002/07/25/accountingtracker.html

In another thread, somebody- possibly Geezer- asked me if I trusted government to run the economy. I never got to answer that question, but my answer is YES. A helluva lot more than I trust those robber-barons who only answer to themselves. The coporate upper echelon has been in a freeding frenzy for the last decade or so. The day of reckoning SHOULD be here, for them.

I'd start by raising their gorram taxes to the friggin' moon.

And THEN I'd start the indictments.


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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:45 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

I'd start by raising their gorram taxes.

And THEN I'd start the indictments.



And take away their jets.

I suggest bonus caps for thieves, is that a radical idea?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Those NSA wiretaps were ruled legal, Kicikie.

What should be done is we do away w/ Social Security, since it's nothing but a giant Federally mandated Ponzi scheme anyways.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:51 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
which defense department projects are you willing to cut?

Mike, you missed the RAPfact where military spending is only 16% of the budget. According to that you have no case.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009



It is only 16% of the Federal Budget. Sure as hell isn't 52%. Sorry to burst your ill- conceived and distorted view of the world.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:52 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


It is only 16% of the Federal Budget.

Yes, of course.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:54 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

And take away their jets.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009



You mean Princess Pelosi's HairForce One Airliner ?

Sounds good to me!



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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For the 2009 fiscal year, the base budget rose to US$515.4 billion. Adding emergency discretionary spending and supplemental spending brings the sum to US$651.2 billion.[1] This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (about $9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy budget), Veterans Affairs (about $33.2 billion), interest on debt incurred in past wars, or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, about $170 billion in 2007). As of 2009, the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.


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Military discretionary spending accounts for more than half of the U.S. federal discretionary spending, which is all of the U.S. federal government budget that is not appropriated for mandatory spending

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


It is only 16% of the Federal Budget.

Yes, of course.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall








It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Neither Medicare nor Social Security are to be counted in the regular Federal budget because they are NOT funded by "income taxes". Johnson included them only to make the Vietnam outlays look smaller, and the military-industialists have been using that convenient fiction ever since.
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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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SIG, your info is in error, sorry.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:01 AM

AURAPTOR

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Sig, I'm talking about the % of the Federal Budget that the Dept of Defense gets. You're playing games, in saying that Defense gets 50% of our INCOME taxes, when that's really not the issue. As a % of our nations GDP, funding for the Dept of Defense has has actually gone DOWN in the past yrs, even with the war on terror.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIG, your info is in error, sorry
No, yours is. See my post-edit.

Those "income taxes" that you're so dead-set raising against don't fund Social Security or Medicare. They DO, however, pay for the military to the tune of about 50%.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:11 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Raising taxes is a given, and even that in no way will come close to covering the 4 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT that Pelosi & Obama are laying on us all.........

TOTAL Bush Debt....$ 1 Trillion

Obama Stimulus.....$ 1 Trillion

Geithner Bailouts..$ 1-2 Trillion

Univ Healthcare.....$ 3/4 Trillion
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TOTAL = $ 4 TRILLION +

They're gonna bankrupt the fucking country for decades. What the fuck are they doing? Where's the money coming from? You could take ALL THE INCOME, not just the taxes, but ALL THE INCOME of those making 250K+ and it wouldn't come close to paying this bill. I think they're building a permanent nanny-state, and our money will soon be worthless. Most additional taxes, etc on rich people will utlimate filter down to you and me in the form of higher cost of goods and services, along with our worthless money. And where's the money for Social Security stabilization??? No word about that during the BIG SPEECH! That's really what most Americans care about, not salmon and volcano research!!

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


It is only 16% of the Federal Budget.







Here's some other pie for ya RAPpy. Who's pie is best?
You lose.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


We'll just have to get rid of the military.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:15 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's the money coming from?

Money is an illusion anyway. Buy into it & it works.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
We'll just have to get rid of the military.

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Do away with what amounts to the PRIMARY function of the Federal Government?

You remember, provide for the common defense ?

Yeah, you're funny.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:19 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Great answer Chris. Stick your head back in the ground and trust Pelosi. Good boy.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
We'll just have to get rid of the military.


"Mr. Taylor, Mr. Brent, we are a peaceful people. We don't kill our enemies. We get our enemies to kill each other."

Hey, uh, are we doing what Russia did? Y'know, spending ourselves out of relevance? Did the terrorists plan for us to kill ourselves?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:23 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Great answer Chris. Stick your head back in the ground and trust Pelosi. Good boy.

I trust no one more than myself. And I don't know how far I could throw me.

If we ultimately crash, it will be Bush that did it to us with his stupid grudge match with Saddam.
9-11 required a response, not a suicide.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Do away with what amounts to the PRIMARY function of the Federal Government?
Ummm... what's that again? Fomenting democracy in Iraq? Protecting oil interests in the Mideast? Meddling in Africa? I dunno, it seems we have SO MANY "missions" all over the world it's a little hard to figure out which one is "primary"! I thought it was about protecting our borders, but I could be wrong!
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Hey, uh, are we doing what Russia did?
When Putin warned Bush Iraq culd be your Afghanistan he wasn't kidding. It was Afghanistan, not Reagan, which is widely viewed by the Russians as the beginning fo the fall of the USSR.
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Y'know, spending ourselves out of relevance? Did the terrorists plan for us to kill ourselves?
Yes and yes.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:28 AM

AURAPTOR

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Chris

Too bad the facts don't support your irrational partisan ranting.

If anything, it was Clinton, Dodd, Frank et al. Bush's war on Islamo-terror cost us nothing to the housing fiasco that the Dems put us in.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:29 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Yes and yes.


You mean, I'm correct? It happens so rarely- now I really AM scared.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:30 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


It is only 16% of the Federal Budget.

Yes, of course.


What AURaptor means is that the budget for the department of defence is only 16.6%. Unfortunately he seems to confuse that with all military spending. In 2008 the "Global War on Terror" was 21% of the budget alone. A running total shows that's 37.6% already on the military.

Don't forget to add all the emergency off budget appropriations yeah.

Also, don't forget veteran bills, or NASA for that matter, whose budget helps pay for the JPL, which spends most of it's time developing military technology.

Also I hear that the Department of Energy budget is what pays for the energy of military bases.

It's real easy to make it look like you're not spending much on the military, when you hide all those millions in little corners of every other departments budget...

As for the military being the primary reason for the US Federal government, that's utter nonsense. Originally the Founding Fathers didn't want the Federal Government to have a military, Frem knows more about that than I.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:33 AM

AURAPTOR

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Sig-

Where the hell are we meddling in Africa with the military ? As I recall, many on the Left were actually DEMANDING we send in the military, to stop the slaughter.

Then the Russian Commies can blame Charlie Wilson and Reagan for their demise.

And Maggie Thatcher
And Pope John Paul
And Lech Walesa....






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"the Dems put us in"

Damnnit Rapo, will you please stop repeating that LIE!

1) Fannie and Freddie only held about 15% of toxic loans. They were a small part of the problem, because they were operating under a consent decree just when the mortgage market took off. It was deregulated banks, mortgage lenders, deregulated investment firms and stupid consumers that got us in this mess!

2) The REPUBS were in charge of Congress during that time. They held the chairs and the majority votes in all committees in all of Congress!Neither Dodd (Senate) nor Frank (House) had the power to kill a bill in committee.

If you repeat that FALSEHOOD one more time I'm gonna dog you on it, the same as I keep dogging you about that "on fire" economy" and those "UN Resolutions" about Iraq: BECAUSE YOU DESERVE IT, YOU FRIGGIN' LYING MORON!

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:36 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Great answer Chris. Stick your head back in the ground and trust Pelosi. Good boy.

I trust no one more than myself. And I don't know how far I could throw me.

If we ultimately crash, it will be Bush that did it to us with his stupid grudge match with Saddam.
9-11 required a response, not a suicide.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall


That is totally delusional and dishonest. Bush gave us 1 trillion debt and Obama/Pelosi are piling on 3 trillion more...but you don't see or admit it. The numbers are what the Dems say, I didn't make them up. Get over your Bush psychosis and you might wise up a tad. The Democrats will have bankrupted this nation by 2010. Social Security??...nada. Drilling for OUR OWN oil as Obama campaigned??...nada! Pie in the sky billion dollar boondoggles of bullshit is all.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Too bad the facts don't support your irrational partisan ranting.

If anything, it was Clinton, Dodd, Frank et al. Bush's war on Islamo-terror cost us nothing to the housing fiasco that the Dems put us in.


Listen you ignorant biped, it's all connected, IT ALWAYS IS!! There is no ONE cause of ANYTHING! It's synergistic (snowball effect for you big-word-challenged). The Perfect Gorram Economic Storm.
The predators have been escalating their biting due to many factors, not the least of which are the trillions in war debt. They smelled the blood before the life guards were called in.
And the last sharks out of the pool take the most guts.




"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:39 AM

AURAPTOR

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citizen, we tried the articles of confederation.

It didn't work.





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:41 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

That is totally delusional and dishonest. Bush gave us 1 trillion debt and Obama/Pelosi are piling on 3 trillion more...but you don't see or admit it.

Hey fool! If Bush hadn't wounded us, the Dems wouldn't have been able to deal us this further blow!!!
[Chinese dubbed voice]WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?[/Chinese dubbed voice]

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:42 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen, we tried the articles of confederation.

It didn't work.




Shut up.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
YOU FRIGGIN' LYING MORON!


Now now Signy.
That's FRIGGIN' STUPID MORON!
You are technically not lying if you believe your own bs, right?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:53 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen, we tried the articles of confederation.

It didn't work.


Yeah, stupid constitution.



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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Not our current constitution, you nim rod, the former one. You DO know we tried another before we adopted the one we currently have, and have been using for the past 222 yrs, right ?



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
which defense department projects are you willing to cut?

Mike, you missed the RAPfact where military spending is only 16% of the budget. According to that you have no case.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009



It is only 16% of the Federal Budget. Sure as hell isn't 52%. Sorry to burst your ill- conceived and distorted view of the world.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.



Actually, I did some checking, and 'Rap is somewhat correct on this one.

The military/defense budget (what we KNOW of it, anyway) is over half of the DISCRETIONARY federal budget's annual spending - over $500 billion in 2007. That doesn't include some $24 billion to maintain our nuclear warheads, or the money to keep the wars going in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also includes not a penny of the Pentagon's "Black Projects", which are completely off the books, money-wise.

So the defense budget is NOT more than half of the entire federal budget.

I still maintain, though, that it is the single largest piece of the entire budget pie, if you include ALL of the military/defense/paramilitary contractors.

Sorry for the mix-up. I should have been more clear.

Of course, I can always claim the RapDefense™ - I heard it somewhere, and didn't know for a fact that it was false info, so I definitely didn't lie.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:16 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You DO know we tried another before we adopted the one we currently have, and have been using for the past 222 yrs, right ?


I said shut up.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SignyM:
"the Dems put us in"

Damnnit Rapo, will you please stop repeating that LIE!

1) Fannie and Freddie only held about 15% of toxic loans. They were a small part of the problem, because they were operating under a consent decree just when the mortgage market took off. It was deregulated banks, mortgage lenders, deregulated investment firms and stupid consumers that got us in this mess!

2) The REPUBS were in charge of Congress during that time. They held the chairs and the majority votes in all committees in all of Congress!Neither Dodd (Senate) nor Frank (House) had the power to kill a bill in committee.

If you repeat that FALSEHOOD one more time I'm gonna dog you on it, the same as I keep dogging you about that "on fire" economy" and those "UN Resolutions" about Iraq: BECAUSE YOU DESERVE IT, YOU FRIGGIN' LYING MORON!




Its not a lie, Sigy. The Fannie and Freddie fiasco, wholly on the shoulders of Barney Frank and the Democrats, is the top of the mountain by which the housing avalanche fell on the U.S. Economic system.

I'm sorry you're too partisan and or stupid to comprehend that, but it's true.

The GOP didn't have but the smallest of numerical margins, and there were enough RINOS to counter anything the GOP tried to do. Such as standing in the way of reform, which the GOP and Bush TRIED to install, for Fannie and Freddie.

All this has been explained and posted before. Google, if you're not scared to do so, and find out the truth.

I'm not lying, the economy was on fire, and the UN resolutions did allow for ANY MEMBER NATION to use what ever force necessary to deal w/ the issue of Iraq.

All true. All factual. All irrefutable.

Dog away. Your efforts will be as futile as ever.

You can choose your own opinions but you can’t choose your own facts




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:24 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Actually, I did some checking, and 'Rap is somewhat correct on this one.


Only if you play with the numbers. I take the defense budget as:
Military base budgets (foreign & domestic)
New military weapon R&D
Veteran medical
Active combat costs
Payroll
Foreign payoffs to keep bases
Black bag ops not funded by drug money
National guard
Mercs
DOD civies
Debt to date


Yeah, all that adds up.


"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:26 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You can choose your own opinions but you can’t choose your own facts



Yes, you only have that right. And obligation.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The GOP didn't have but the smallest of numerical margins, and there were enough RINOS...
In other words, it was the Republicans. You can bitch and whine about RINOs all you want, but it was still Republicans who held all the chairs and all the majority votes in all committees in all of Congress. So, if anyone deserves the blame, its Republicans. Too bad you can't stop your partisan bitching long enough to see the truth.
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housing avalanche fell on the U.S. Economic system
And has been explained before, a pebble rolling down the hill is just a pebble rolling down the hill, unless the entire hill is unstable. The WHOLE HILL was unstable. Too bad you can't take off your partisan blinders long enough to see the truth.
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I'm not lying, the economy was on fire
It WASN'T "on fire" even by YOUR metrics! Real Federal Revenues were down for most of that time. The stock market barely kept up with inflation. Unemployment was low but real wages were flat or falling. Household debt was at an all-time high. Only a moron would believe that constituted an "on fire" economy. Too bad you can't take off your partisan-tinted glasses long enough to deal with unpleasant reality.
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and the UN resolutions
... which were replaced, rescinded, superseded, vacated, voided ... use whatever term necessary to get the concept through yout numb skull... did NOT allow any member nation to invade Iraq. Too bad your'e too deluded to get that idea though you partisan-fogged filter.

You can bitch and whine all you want, but you can't make the facts go away.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sig

You're wrong, on all counts.

I'm right.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:33 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
there were enough RINOS to counter anything the GOP tried to do.

You pathetic piece of go-se. I JUST found out what RINO means. Now you got another "out." There's always another mitigating factor why you're right when you're wrong.

So what am I? An IINO? If I vote conservative, someone can say, "He's actually a Republican, not an Independent, so it doesn't count."? Lie with stats.

You are so a fool.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:36 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig

You're wrong, on all counts.

I'm right.


Wow. That was impressive. Deconstructed her entire argument logically and step by step. Just like always.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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