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Actually, most of those have a fairly good right wing slant. A few of them may be slightly less right than the Republican party, but that describes most of the planet, so whatever.

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Saying there's a liberal bias to the media, when there ain't even a liberal biased political party in US mainstream politics, is just plain funny.

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they're all going down the crapper and teetering on bankruptcy. Why? Answer is they put their suicidal ideology before profits.

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Wow, two (2) whole outlets for Conservative views...oh my God! Compare that to the Liberal Media Jihad of:
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ABC
CBS
PBS
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CNN
Air America

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they're all going down the crapper and teetering on bankruptcy. Why? Answer is they put their suicidal ideology before profits.

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Quit being a righwingnut here, okay Jongs? I like you better when you come from the center.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Speaking of Pelosi, even Newt Gingrich , when he was House Speaker, had enough common sense and decency to the American tax payer to fly COMMERCIAL on this trips back and forth to Georgia. Why Princess Pelosi has her own airliner is beyond me.

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Originally posted by rue:
But if how you see it is not how it really is, it's a delusion and is a sign of mental illness. Just don't confuse facts with opinions !

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they're all going down the crapper and teetering on bankruptcy. Why? Answer is they put their suicidal ideology before profits.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Kwiks..try at least to be the tiniest bit honest for once. NY Post is not a major newspaper. These are :
NY Times
Washington Post
Los Angeles Times
Boston Globe
Atlanta Journal Constitution
San Francisco Chronicle
etc etc every city

It's not even close to being debateable. The only good news is that they're all going down the crapper and teetering on bankruptcy. Why? Answer is they put their suicidal ideology before profits. Just like NBC, MSNBC...both invisible in the ratings, losing millions for owner GE (stock down from $40 to $7). They're all just defacto Obama cheerleading squads. The public was bedazzled and lied to daily with their Obama-Lovefest. Trouble is Obama/Pelosi are sinking together, Americans are realizing that Obama is just Pelosi (9% Congress approval) in an historically-important African-American body.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Kwiks..try at least to be the tiniest bit honest for once. NY Post is not a major newspaper. These are :
NY Times
Washington Post
Los Angeles Times
Boston Globe
Atlanta Journal Constitution
San Francisco Chronicle
etc etc every city

It's not even close to being debateable. The only good news is that they're all going down the crapper and teetering on bankruptcy. Why? Answer is they put their suicidal ideology before profits. Just like NBC, MSNBC...both invisible in the ratings, losing millions for owner GE (stock down from $40 to $7). They're all just defacto Obama cheerleading squads. The public was bedazzled and lied to daily with their Obama-Lovefest. Trouble is Obama/Pelosi are sinking together, Americans are realizing that Obama is just Pelosi (9% Congress approval) in an historically-important African-American body.

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Heck, I'll try honesty if you will. You said that ALL major newspapers were liberal. You lied. That was dishonest.



Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

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Mikey, he's playing a bit of turnabout and yanking *your* chain for once, dude.

And you fell for it!
LMAO.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
"We want an aircraft that can reach California." - Speaker Pelosi

Sure, Madame Speaker, and folks in hell want ice water too. But because you're the PRINCESS of Potomac, nothing's too good for you and yours.



CBS Covers Pelosi Jet Controversy Skipped by Other Networks

On Wednesday evening, CBS became the first of the broadcast networks to cover the controversy over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's efforts to acquire access to a larger jet than what her predecessor used. CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric relayed that Pelosi's request for a "big travel upgrade" was coming at a time when "they're cracking down on congressional perks." After pointing out that Pelosi "finds herself on the defensive" as military officials are "grumbling," correspondent Sharyl Attkisson gave attention to House Republican Whip Roy Blunt's concern that the extra seats on such a large aircraft might be used for fund-raising purposes. According to a Nexis search, the only mentions of the controversy on the cable news networks have come several times this week on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight and once on MSNBC's Tucker. (Transcript follows)

Below is a complete transcript of the story from the February 7 CBS Evening News:

Katie Couric: "Now, to a story that has Washington buzzing tonight. At a time when they're cracking down on congressional perks, the new Speaker of the House is apparently asking for a big travel upgrade. Sharyl Attkisson reports from Capitol Hill."

By Brad Wilmouth (Bio | Archive)
February 8, 2007 - 00:22 ET Katie Couric: "Now, to a story that has Washington buzzing tonight. At a time when they're cracking down on congressional perks, the new Speaker of the House is apparently asking for a big travel upgrade. Sharyl Attkisson reports from Capitol Hill."

Sharyl Attkisson: "Ever since 9/11, a small military jet like this has been made available to transport the Speaker of the House for security reasons. The Speaker is second in the line of succession to the presidency. Back then, it was Republican Dennis Hastert. Now it's Democrat Nancy Pelosi. But she may be getting a little more leg room. Speaker Pelosi is reportedly asking for a much bigger jet, a government version of the Boeing 757 that can make the trip between Washington and her San Francisco home without stopping to refuel. The Speaker's critics have dubbed it Pelosi One. Military officials are said to be grumbling about it, and the Speaker finds herself on the defensive. Today she insisted size doesn't really matter."

Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, clip #1: "It's not a question of size, it's a question of distance."

Pelosi clip #2: "We want an aircraft that can reach California."

Attkisson: "But an aircraft like that can comfortably seat 50. And Republican leader Roy Blunt is among those questioning how all those extra seats might get filled."

Roy Blunt, House Minority Whip: "You know, if you can say to your supporters, you want to fly with me from San Francisco this week, spend the week in New York, and then fly with me back, that's an incredible perk. It's an incredible fund-raising tool."

Attkisson: "Pelosi's office told us she'll follow all the appropriate guidelines. Problem is there aren't any yet. Because of the flack, the Defense Department is now said to be quickly writing rules for the Speaker's plane, everything from size to who can go along for the ride."


Rue - once again, you've shown RapFacts to be actual, REAL facts as well.

When will you EVER learn ?



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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December 21, 2008
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Did Nancy Pelosi order up a 200-seat jet for her personal use?
Is it true that Nancy Pelosi travels from California three times a week on a private jet (200-seat size) at a cost to the taxpayers of $60K per flight? If so, this would total $480K per month or $5.7M per year. This comes from taxpayer money? If true, how can we criticize others? Is this a good use of taxpayers' hard-earned money and what about the carbon footprint?
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The Democratic House speaker normally flies in a 12-seat Air Force jet, just as her Republican predecessor did. This rumor stems from a request by the House sergeant at arms, not Pelosi, for a jet large enough to reach California without refueling.


Reports like this one, saying Pelosi routinely flies about in her own 757-size jet, have been floating around for almost two years. The claims were revived when Democrats complained that CEOs of the Big Three U.S. automakers had used their corporate jets to come to Washington to seek billions in federal aid. But the rumors are incorrect. Spokespeople for Pelosi and Andrews Air Force Base say that the speaker has used the big Air Force jet once, but she normally uses a much smaller plane, the same one used by the previous speaker of the House, Republican Dennis Hastert.

The spread of this rumor – and its first debunking – dates back to February 2007. At that time, the speaker of the House had had access to an Air Force craft for about five and a half years. Hastert had been issued a plane after Sept. 11, 2001, for security reasons (the speaker of the House is next in line after the vice president for presidential succession). Hastert used an Air Force C-20B, a small 12-seater based on the Gulfstream III, to travel to his home district in Illinois. (Ford and GM auto executives, incidentally, travel in the slightly larger Gulfstream IV.)

When Pelosi became speaker, House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, according to his own account, worried that the small craft would be unable to travel to her home district of San Francisco without stopping to refuel. Livingood, who was first elected by a Newt Gingrich-led House in 1995, asked the Air Force and the Department of Defense about getting a bigger plane. He also requested clarifications of other rules regarding the aircraft – for instance, whether family members would be allowed to accompany Pelosi on her flights.

According to ABC News' Jake Tapper, Capt. Herb McConnell of the Air Force said that the C-20B is sometimes able to make cross-country flights without refueling, but that it depends on headwinds. The much larger C-32, a military version of a Boeing 757 that's usually used by the vice president and the first lady, is easily able to make a nonstop flight across the country. But it's also on the lavish side. It's not quite a 200-seater, but it does include 50 business-class seats and a full stateroom with a private lavatory and entertainment system.

We've seen no evidence, however, that Livingood specifically requested for Pelosi to have access to the C-32, which is the largest plane available at the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base. According to his statement, he requested a plane that was able to fly cross-country. Pelosi spokespeople at the time said that the speaker would be happy to use a smaller plane that could make a nonstop cross-country flight.

The Pentagon responded to this request by saying that it would make "every effort ... to provide non-stop shuttle support," but that Pelosi's aircraft access would depend on availability. Officials also clarified that Pelosi's family members and other members of Congress could fly with her, but they would have to reimburse the government for their flights and food, paying the price of a coach ticket on a commercial airline. Pelosi would have to submit a written request for her family or other Congress members to accompany her on flights.

The Pentagon response stoked rumors that Pelosi had requested access to a posh personal craft for herself and anyone she wanted to bring along. Tapper traces the rumor back to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, who called the C-32 "a flying Lincoln bedroom." That's not a wholly inaccurate assessment of the plane (there's even a pull-out bed!), but Blunt implied that Pelosi had expressly requested such extravagance. White House spokesman Tony Snow called this a "silly story," breaking with congressional Republicans who objected to Pelosi's supposedly over-the-top request. At a press briefing, Snow reiterated that the conversations about plane travel were perfectly routine:
Snow, Feb. 7, 2007: After September 11th, the Department of Defense – with the consent of the White House – agreed that the Speaker of the House should have military transport. And so what is going on is that the Department of Defense is going through its rules and regulations and having conversations with the Speaker about it. So Speaker Hastert had access to military aircraft and Speaker Pelosi will, too.
Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly told FactCheck.org that the speaker does have access to military air travel. When she flies to her home district, she uses whatever Air Force craft is available. Daly told us that "they try to do a nonstop flight." But the plane Pelosi uses most often is the C-20B, and she has occasionally used even smaller planes. According to Daly, Pelosi once used the C-32 when no other planes were available, but she also has had to stop for refueling on at least one trip on a smaller aircraft. Pelosi's family has traveled with her a few times, but they had to reimburse the government for the cost of their tickets, as stipulated in the Pentagon's letter. Congress members who are traveling to California sometimes do the same. Pelosi only uses the jet to travel between Washington, D.C., and San Francisco on official business. For any other trip, she and her family use commercial airlines.

Update, December 22: After this story was posted, we received word from Eric Sharman, deputy chief of public affairs at Andrews Air Force Base, confirming what Pelosi's spokesman told us about her aircraft use. Sharman said that Pelosi has in the past used the C-20B and the slightly larger C-37A, depending on availability, and that these may or may not be able to make a nonstop cross-country flight depending on conditions. He confirms that Pelosi has used the C-32 once and only once, when no other planes were available.

- Jess Henig
Sources
Tapper, Jake. "Pentagon Rejects Speaker Pelosi's Request for Military Aircraft." ABC News. 7 Feb. 2007.

Epstein, Edward. "Pelosi, Snow slam critics: 'Silly story.'" San Francisco Chronicle. 8 Feb. 2007.

White House press briefings. "Press Briefing by Tony Snow." 7 Feb. 2007.

CNN. "House security chief: Pelosi didn't ask for plane; I did." 9 Feb. 2007.

Washington Post. "Pelosi Catches Nonstop Flights Home." 6 Feb. 2007.

Greenwood, Tom. "Auto executives travel to D.C. by car, but is it cheaper?" Detroit News. 4 Dec. 2008.

Incantalupo, Tom. "Auto execs hope to drive home a point." Newsday. 25 Nov. 2008.

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The scam story you've bought into of " security reasons " , or that you want folks to believe you've bought into , is laughable.

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Polling has found Limbaugh, a self-described prescription-drug addict who sees America from a private jet, to be nearly as unpopular as Rev. Jeremiah Wright...

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
So if he's so not popular, then why are all you libs so obsessed with him in the first place? HMMM?????????????????????????????????????????

I guess you all just can't help yourselves. It's your modus operendi to demonize and marginalize anyone who disagrees with you. Do you normally spend the hours of your life fomenting and raging against someone who's so not important? The Obama mafia, in their dastardly quest to distract Americans from their pitiful economic & social policies, have lowered themselves down to the level of attacking a radio show host. How very Presidential of them! What a joke. What a sad bunch of political hacks and cronies.

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So if he's so not popular, then why are all you libs so obsessed with him in the first place? HMMM?????????????????????????????????????????

I guess you all just can't help yourselves. It's your modus operendi to demonize and marginalize anyone who disagrees with you. Do you normally spend the hours of your life fomenting and raging against someone who's so not important? The Obama mafia, in their dastardly quest to distract Americans from their pitiful economic & social policies, have lowered themselves down to the level of attacking a radio show host. How very Presidential of them! What a joke. What a sad bunch of political hacks and cronies.

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I know - they should have attacked someone worthy of attack. The gays, for instance. ;)

And I still don't think you've got it figured out; the idea is to brand the Republican party with Rush's version of nationalism and "hope for failure" for America. Rush, while widely disliked, is still a wildly popular talking head, and as I pointed out earlier, he IS the visible head of the Republican movement, whether he likes it or not.

So the idea is to take that association and cement it in peoples' minds. When you think "Republican", the picture that pops into your mind will be the fat, pasty white dough-faced mug of Rush.

I've explained it to you in really simple terms, and you and 'Rap STILL won't get it. We WANT you to defend Rush and identify with him, we WANT you to stand up proudly and say that Rush is all that's good about your party - because we're going to use every word of it against you in the next round of elections!

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Even funnier is when they try to hold Pelosi up as some kinda Democrat parallel to Rush...

See, most Republicans actually like Rush.

NOBODY likes Pelosi.

Seriously, does ANYONE here have anything to say in her defense ?
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Point ?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Not nearly as laughable as the CrapFacts™ you've bought into. Once again, EVERYBODY but you and Rush have it wrong, eh, Lapdog? And you know it must be true because Rush told you, and you'd never dare doubt anything The One tells you.

Mike

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Not nearly as laughable as the CrapFacts™ you've bought into. Once again, EVERYBODY but you and Rush have it wrong, eh, Lapdog? And you know it must be true because Rush told you, and you'd never dare doubt anything The One tells you.

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Hey, before the above post w/ the interior pics, I all I gave was the actual report from CBS. Don't like it ? Whine to them.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Kwickie

I find it funny you conveniently BELIEVE the White House on matters where it defends your precious Dems, but on all OTHER matters.... they're LIARS!

I guess when the White House, Congress or the Pentagon are reporting on Iraq, you believe them , no questions asked, right ?

Good.

( And if you have to ask if those are REALLY the interior pics of Princess Pelosi's plane she DEMANDED to have .... I'm not tellin'. )



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Katie Couric didn't report the Pelosi airplane story, so your point is moot.

Nothing was debunked, but keep chasing those windmills.

Asshole.

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Katie Couric didn't report the Pelosi airplane story, so your point is moot.

Nothing was debunked, but keep chasing those windmills.

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Or who ever the hell this is, get a life, please.

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Katie Couric didn't report the Pelosi airplane story, so your point is moot.

Nothing was debunked, but keep chasing those windmills.

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Chris, your alter ego is getting old.

Or who ever the hell this is, get a life, please.

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Lol, until this, I seriously suspected it might be you, AU.

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Lol, until this, I seriously suspected it might be you, AU.

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If it were me, I'd have used a pic like this as my sig.



So clearly, it's not me.

I suspect kwickie, you, or possibly whozit.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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"I was watching Rush Limbaugh the other night, and I was horrified. I would have Rush Limbaugh drawn and quartered. He was sticking up for these Wall Street pigs. There should be public show trials, mass denunciations and executions."

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just came across this, found it amusing. John Millius, long-term Republican and staunch conservative - the dude directed Red Dawn, and Conan, and won't take any job before he is given an antique gun as a gift - is calling for the execution of Rush.

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Just came across this, found it amusing. John Millius, long-term Republican and staunch conservative - the dude directed Red Dawn, and Conan, and won't take any job before he is given an antique gun as a gift - is calling for the execution of Rush.

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"I was watching Rush Limbaugh the other night, and I was horrified. I would have Rush Limbaugh drawn and quartered. He was sticking up for these Wall Street pigs. There should be public show trials, mass denunciations and executions."

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There are far more crooks in Congress, who are to blame for the mess we're in , than are on Wall Street. Again, Rush is right. I don't care what credentials anyone has when they speak out against Rush, as long as they have the facts straight. Most don't.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Ah, after that other thread, I thought you might have gone and changed on me. But this is the Rush-lovin' 'Rap I know.

Nice moral relativism, too. Other folks did bad stuff, so let the Wall Street guys keep scewin us! Great plan, Rappy

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Scared little girls deny the facts.

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