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Friday, March 6, 2009 6:56 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


A man runs through a town, hacking women and children on the street, and you'd say we do nothing ?


Oh, I'm sorry, did I miss that this was supposed to be Saddam hisself?
Yes, blow him up, & his country if they resist. And Korea, and Darfur, Zimbabwe, Chunks of China, that shop in Japan that sells real snuff DVD's....

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 6, 2009 6:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
mike

You're the fucking pussy, and you know it. That's why you ignore the topic and instead try to hurl personal insults at me while raising straw man arguments. You can't deal w/ the issue, so you get all emotional and try to change the topic.

THAT makes you a coward.




[sarcasm]REAAAALLLLYYYY[/sarcasm]

Who was it that called me "asshole" in this very thread? Who was it that called me "fucking coward"- in this very thread? Who started with the hurling of personal insults, ya big fat pussy?

As for strawmen, I'll defer to your expertise. Every time someone asks the uncomfortable question, you (a) strawman it to death ("Rush isn't the leader of the Republican party - NANCY PELOSI *DEMANDS* a big fat jet!!"), (b) disappear, or (c) both of the above, in quick succession. Just like the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.

Mike

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Kwik, Maybe, just maybe, if Clinton had responded in some meaningful way against Al Qaeda after they attacked us numerous times, 911 would not have occurred in the first place? Ever think about that?




Yeah, I have thought about it, Jong - have YOU? Do you really have that short a memory? Or were you just terminally unaware back then? You don't remember a certain President (seems like his name was Clinton, if memory serves) going after Osama bin Laden, launching Tomahawk cruise missiles at locations where actionable intel said that bin Laden was holed up? You don't remember anything about a certain "baby formula" factory being blown up? You don't remember the Repugs in Congress going on and on and on about how Clinton was "wagging the dog" to keep people from asking questions about Monica Lewinsky?

Honestly, you don't remember ANY of that?

Wow, you're almost as dim as AuLapdog, aren't you?

Thing is, Clinton DID try to take out bin Laden, and targetted Al Qaeda - and got zero support from the Republican Congress for doing so. He ultimately failed to take them out, but he failed no more than Bush, and his failure cost us one hell of a lot fewer American deaths than did Bush's failures.



Mike

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.


"Don't mince words, Bones, how do you really feel?"

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sig...... the concept of the analogy is beyond you.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

[sarcasm]REAAAALLLLYYYY[/sarcasm]

Who was it that called me "asshole" in this very thread? Who was it that called me "fucking coward"- in this very thread? Who started with the hurling of personal insults, ya big fat pussy?

As for strawmen, I'll defer to your expertise. Every time someone asks the uncomfortable question, you (a) strawman it to death ("Rush isn't the leader of the Republican party - NANCY PELOSI *DEMANDS* a big fat jet!!"), (b) disappear, or (c) both of the above, in quick succession. Just like the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.

Mike



You continue to try to change the topic. Amazing.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Thing is, Clinton DID try to take out bin Laden, and targetted Al Qaeda - and got zero support from the Republican Congress for doing so. He ultimately failed to take them out, but he failed no more than Bush, and his failure cost us one hell of a lot fewer American deaths than did Bush's failures.




Good points. Wasn't there also a bounty on Bin-boy?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Obama and his crack team of tax cheats are making it worse every day for our savings and retirement plans. He's bankrupting America for our children and their grandchildren.




Jong, you and Lapdog sound like you really think that NONE of the economic collapse was happening, or being set up to happen, in the days before Obama took office. That's a really, REALLY dumb way to look at it. That's like calling the bomb squad when you find the ticking package on your doorstep, and then having them tell you they can't start to dismantle the bomb until AFTER it goes off, because at the moment it isn't doing anything bad, just ticking!



Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig...... the concept of the analogy is beyond you.



As was my analogy beyond you, apparently.

My god, but you're stupid.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


You continue to try to change the topic. Amazing.



As do you! :)

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 6, 2009 7:48 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
We were attacked.

The proper response would have been to drop a big old nuke and turned 50 square miles to glass.

9/11 would have just been a footnote now, instead of the second war that bankrupted America. (The first being the "War" on drugs).


Because America can drop nukes on who it likes, and just carry on without incident. Or more likely every other nation with nukes would suddenly get a little twitchy around the insane aggressor...



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 8:48 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Rap

"What bothers me in the coverage of this overall is that everyone is focused on the big number1: the Post says "Obama's spending plans would push the 2009 budget deficit to a massive $1.75 trillion." There are two ways to report this, of course, and the second way, still honest and a bit more explanatory, is, "Obama's 2009 budget will add $550 billion to the already staggering $1.2 trillion deficit." Which makes it seem a little disingenuous when Sen. Mitch McConnell calls the budget full of "unprecedented spending increases." There's precedent in the New Deal, which I understand conservatives are uncomfortable with; there's also substantial precedent in the last 8 years."

And THIS little gem from the BUSH administration? "November 10, 2008: Bloomberg News Sues Bush, Paulson for Failure to Reveal Recipients of $2 Trillion Taxpayer Loans" 2 TRILLION in loans up to 8 trillion, unaccounted for, off the books, with no documentation, no requirements to pay back, no requirements to do ANYTHNG with the money such as lend it out. Those big fat bonuses ? I guess they gave it to themsleves for scoring such a great deal from Bush. "The legality of Treasury-negotiated equity deals for many US banks is questioned by tax attorneys, as well as nearly $2 trillion that Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve handed out in emergency loans before the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was enacted (see October 3, 2008). The Fed refuses to reveal which corporations received loans, or what collateral has been presented. Sources say that this secrecy is a legal violation. The Federal Reserve’s lending is significant because the central bank has stepped into a rescue role that was also the purpose of the TARP bailout plan, although without safeguards put into the TARP legislation by Congress."

H Paul Bremmer III handing out billions in wheelbarrows of cash in Iraq was a piker compared to Bush, Paulson and Bernacke.

BUSH did that, you idiot. (Apologies to idiots.)


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BTW Rap - I truly hope you are deeply invested in the stock market.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 8:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But BUSH did it, so it's OK.

(And that infamous "liberal" media covered up for him.)

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Friday, March 6, 2009 10:30 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Or more likely every other nation with nukes would suddenly get a little twitchy around the insane aggressor...

You mean they're not already ?

Oh, and for the record, someone kindly remind me who installed, propped up and initially financed Saddam Hussien, cause it seems like everyone else forgot...


Or how about who trained, financed and installed Tim Osm.. , oops, sorry, Osama Bin Laden, and the branch of Mujahedeen who would later become more or less Al-Qeada, anyone happen to remember ?

Chickens coming home to roost, is what it is.

And the seeds of this Economic crisis were planted by Reagan with "deregulation", watered by Clinton with "nafta", fertilized by Shrub with "deficit spending" and now the bitter harvest is being reaped by Obama, who will without a doubt plant the seeds of new nightmares to deliver unto future generations unless we put a stop to it here and now.

Fuck partisanship, these guys are ALL assholes, and yes that includes Obama hisself, and most certainly does his pack of Clintonesque Globalist hangers-on every bit as much as it did Shrubs Neo-Con Globalist hangers-on, and very specifically includes that shitheel Rahmbo cause he's sickeningly enough, BOTH!

I want you to take a moment and think real hard about the fact that we had the greatest hand in deposing Mossedeigh and replacing him with the Shah, which lead directly TO the rise and revolution of fanatic islamics as a defense against our illegal and aggressive methods in the first fucking place, and ponder long and well that right now, HERE, TODAY, we are reaping the bitter fruit seeded by Operation AJAX.

What happened on 09-11-01 was the INEVITABLE result of such doings, and frankly, it could have been far, far worse, and if we keep going right down the road of massively failed policies hoping that this time they might work, it WILL be worse, next time, and there WILL be a next time - we have no *right* to fuck over other peoples countries for our benefit, and when we do it to them, we're practically asking for retaliation.

We keep playin this stupid fucking game, like the old lady who swallowed the spider, it's gonna kill us all in the end.

Do you really want to plant a new dark harvest, so that future generations despise us as much as I passionately revile the dickheads who foisted the end results of all the bullshit I called out above on US ?

Cause that's what most of you seem to be bent on doing - and ya damn well ought to think it through this time.

Oh, and this bit just for you Craptor - speaking of terrorism, how would you respond to a terrorist nation that's deposed and murdered your most beloved leader, propped up murderous tyrants, financed, trained and equipped domestic terrorists and coup attempts, aided and encouraged nations beligerent against you, and on many occasions bombed your country themselves.

Would YOU have restrained yourself to merely knocking down two office buildings ?

I highly doubt it.

Think about the terrorism WE committed against THEM - and then ponder that if YOUR reaction is that we should have nuked their capitol, which it of course is...

Look real hard at Washington DC, and thank your lucky fucking stars that those so-called "fanatics" are far more tolerant and merciful than you will ever be.

And what's that say about YOU, ya bloodthirsty, hateful little git ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, March 6, 2009 10:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Hey FremQaeda,

Thanks for the nice little terrorist fairy tale. You really are in desperate need of a doctor, dontcha know. Call Pirate News, I'm sure he's got plenty of shrinks to recommend. Maybe you two could get on a family discount plan or somethin'.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 10:48 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Jong,

Frem is right in a lot of ways. We *did* bring this on ourselves.

Was it right what they did? No, of course not.

But did our "leaders" create this situation, with Al-Qeada and the rest? Yes.

We never should have messed with the politics/policies/people of other lands.

"Friend to all, ally to none." Remember?

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Friday, March 6, 2009 10:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jong, I'm sorry, but Frem is right.

I'm not sure if you're old enouhg to remember how the mujahideen were framed as "brave freedom fighters" by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Say THAT fast three times! Someone will certainly offer you a tissue!) under Carter, and how we managed to ship Stinger missiles to them to help them "fight tyranny" under the Soviets but I do.

As far as Saddam Hussein.. again, I'm old enough to remember him as being framed as the "strongman" secular leader of Iraq, and our bulwark against the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran. (You may recall the negative press Iran got for sending in 12-year old boys en masse with the Koran in their hands to clear minefields in the Iran-Iraq war???)

Yep, it all happened.



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Friday, March 6, 2009 10:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jong, I'm sorry, but Frem is right.

I'm not sure if you're old enouhg to remember how the mujahideen were framed as "brave freedom fighters" by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Say THAT fast three times! Someone will certainly offer you a tissue!) under Carter, and how we managed to ship Stinger missiles to them to help them "fight tyranny" under the Soviets but I do.

As far as Saddam Hussein.. again, I'm old enough to remember him as being framed as the "strongman" secular leader of Iraq, and our bulwark against the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran. (You may recall the negative press Iran got for sending in 12-year old boys en masse with the Koran in their hands to clear minefields in the Iran-Iraq war???)

Yep, it all happened.





Hey Sigy, Why you writing to me?....I'm part of the stupid crowd as you say, remember?

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Lemme simplify it for you then, Jong.

If you kick a dog, and it bites you...

Then maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to STOP KICKING THE DOG.

Simple enough, even for you, yes ?

-F

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:29 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Lemme simplify it for you then, Jong.

If you kick a dog, and it bites you...

Then maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to STOP KICKING THE DOG.

Simple enough, even for you, yes ?

-F


Fremmy, I understand what you said. I just think you need to be in a rubber room in a straight jacket, right next door to your kindred intellect Reverend Wright.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.


Your so pathetic you can't even keep up with your own insults. Look up top pal, your first post(6:47)on this thread called me stupid and a tool :
___________________________________________
Originally posted by SignyM:
"Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID......God, you're such a tool."


I have nothing else to say to you. Go pester someone else.

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


"What bo]thers me in the coverage of this overall is that everyone is focused on the big number1: the Post says "Obama's spending plans would push the 2009 budget deficit to a massive $1.75 trillion." There are two ways to report this, of course, and the second way, still honest and a bit more explanatory, is, "Obama's 2009 budget will add $550 billion to the already staggering $1.2 trillion deficit." Which makes it seem a little disingenuous when Sen. Mitch McConnell calls the budget full of "unprecedented spending increases." There's precedent in the New Deal, which I understand conservatives are uncomfortable with; there's also substantial precedent in the last 8 years."



Oh, Rue - you still don't get it, do you?

When the dipshits on the left want to attack the bedget, it's "Obama's spending". When they want to portray it as a monkey in a cartoon, it has NOTHING to do with Obama, 'cuase it's not his plan.

How much simpler could it be?



[/sarcasm]


Mike

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.


Your so pathetic you can't even keep up with your own insults. Look up top pal, your first post(6:47)on this thread called me stupid and a tool :
___________________________________________
Originally posted by SignyM:
"Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID......God, you're such a tool."


I have nothing else to say to you. Go pester someone else.



But your girlfriend AuLapdog says it's not an insult if it's true. And it IS true - you ARE stupid, and you ARE a tool.

So what's the problem?

Mike

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Friday, March 6, 2009 11:54 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

I just think you need to be in a rubber room in a straight jacket

Evey: "Are you like, a crazy person or something ?"
V: "I am quite sure they will say so."

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Friday, March 6, 2009 12:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hey FremQaeda,

Thanks for the nice little terrorist fairy tale. You really are in desperate need of a doctor, dontcha know.

Jong, most all (if not all) of what Frem posted was 100% accurate, and easily verifiable. And like Signy, I am also old enough to remember well back to Carter. Ya gotta be able to back up sayin' that it's a fairy tale somehow, 'cause I can give you like 100 sites that will tell you different, including Congressional hearings and the like. Nothing Frem posted is secret or classified.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 6, 2009 12:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Mmm... okay Jong. Sometimes, you ARE a tool.

I gave you the benefit, but you insist on continuing in that direction!

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Saturday, March 7, 2009 1:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Kwikie, Sigy,
Your sad, pathetic comments are just so indicative of your juvenile and inferior mentality, I can only shake my head in disappointment and disbelief. Ironically, I really do pity you both. You've demonstrated to every half-sane or better poster here how utterly jaded and disgusting you both are by repeatedly calling people stupid as some sort of response in what's supposed to be a forum here. You show the lowest form of desperate stupidity from my vantage point. Did you two get past 3rd grade? You call me a tool, yet you yourselves cannot respond in any intelligent manner to anything I and others say. I suppose I'm fortunate indeed that you haven't yet sunk the to the profanities you usually hurl at your most frequented targets. Calling you lame asses or immature punks or smug pseudo-intellectual wannabees would be insulting to those groups, because even they soar far above your disdainful displays of stunningly vile contempt for people on this board.

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Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.



Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...



Bush got no one killed on 9/11 , you back birth. We were ATTACKED. Is your god damn pea sized brain so wrapped around political spin that you don't see what actually happened? Dem, GOP, black, white, man , woman, gay, straight.... you fucking idiot, ALL of us were attacked. And it wasn't because of BUSH, this attack was several yrs in the making.

I'm not PLAYING it any sort of way. I'm just giving you the facts. Instead of dealing w/ them, you come up w/ some wild ass, unrelated piece of go se you think is analogous to what I said. Not only are you wrong, but you're also a coward for not dealing w/ the issue at hand. You have to go back to blaming Bush for 9/11, as a straw man argument is the BEST damn thing you have.

Fucking coward.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.



I've said it before, I'll say it again...

You're real big on calling people "fucking coward", but I ask again, for the record, how many tours you did in Iraq or Afghanistan. You're so fucking gung-ho on war, WHY DIDN'T YOU EVER JOIN AND SERVE? Because you, you piece of dogshit, are a TRUE fucking coward. You have all the rhetoric, but have never once stood up for what you claim to believe in. And you never, ever will.



Well, you have covered your face in shit stain yet again.
I have served. I have served in Beruit and in Grenada. My cousins have served in the first Iraqi conflict. As far as I am concerned, AuRap has spoken for me in this thread so far. I thank him for taking the time to do so, when I was not available to rebut your nonsense.
YOU are the true coward, you pussy. Heap big man on internet, big whoop.

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Sunday, March 8, 2009 11:56 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Fremmy has a point.....perhaps a little history is in order.
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1979: Shah of Iran flees into exile

The Shah of Iran has fled the country following months of increasingly violent protests against his regime.
Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi and his wife, Empress Farah, left Tehran and flew to Aswan in Egypt.

The couple's three youngest children were flown to the United States yesterday.

Official reports say the Shah has left for a "vacation" and medical treatment. In fact, he was asked to leave by the man he appointed prime minister earlier this month.

Over the past few months, there have been an increasing number of violent clashes between security forces and anti-Shah demonstrators.

Opposition to the Shah has become united behind the Muslim traditionalist movement led by Iran's main spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini, from exile in France.

Celebrations

There have been calls for the Ayatollah's return - and news of the Shah's departure was greeted with mass celebrations across Iran.

British and United States' ex-patriates living in Iran - regarded as symbols of westernization - have been the frequent target of attacks. Thousands have left the country.

Martial law was declared in many cities on 8 September. But later that month, industrial action by thousands of Iranian workers culminated in a mass strike by employees in the oil industry.

The strike sparked riots and rallies across the country in support of the Ayatollah.

Western governments, like the US, UK and West Germany, have continued to express support for the Shah.

The Shah appointed a new military government in early November. But it failed to stem the rising tide of support for the Ayatollah.

Earlier this month he appointed a new prime minister, Dr Shapur Bahktiar. When, on 13 January, the Ayatollah declared a revolutionary Islamic council to replace what he called the "illegal government" of Iran, Dr Bahktiar persuaded the Shah it was time to leave.

As reported by BBC News - Jan 16, 1979

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The Shah of Iran ruled with an iron fist for 37 years with the support of the US government. They were our allies until "the dog got tired of being kicked"...................

In the early 1950s, there was a political crisis centered in Iran that commanded the focused attention of British and American intelligence agencies. In 1951 Dr. Mossadegh came to office, committed to re-establishing democracy and constitutional monarchy, and to nationalizing the Iranian petroleum industry, which was controlled by the British. From the start he erroneously believed that the Americans, who had no interest in the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, would support his nationalization plan. He was buoyed by the American Ambassador, Henry Grady. However, during these events, the Americans supported the British, and, fearing that the Communists with the help of the Soviets were poised to overthrow the government, they decided to remove Mossadegh. Shortly before the 1952 presidential election in the US, the British government invited Kermit Roosevelt of the CIA to London and proposed they cooperate under the code name “Operation Ajax” to bring down Mossadegh from office.

In 1951, under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, the Iranian parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil industry. This shut out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and political clout in the region. A month after that vote, Mossadegh was named Prime Minister of Iran.

Under the direction of Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a senior Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer and grandson of former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, the American CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) funded and led a covert operation to depose Mossadegh with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah. This plan was known as Operation Ajax.[4] The plot hinged on orders signed by the Shah to dismiss Mossadegh as prime minister and replace him with General Fazlollah Zahedi, a choice agreed on by the British and Americans
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I remember when the Shah came to our country for medical treatment and how Americans protested his arrival. Amazing how these things get overlooked, isn't it?

SGG




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Monday, March 9, 2009 1:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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You've demonstrated to every half-sane or better poster here how utterly jaded and disgusting you both are by repeatedly calling people stupid as some sort of response in what's supposed to be a forum here. You show the lowest form of desperate stupidity from my vantage point.


Irony much?

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Monday, March 9, 2009 2:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Heap big man on internet, big whoop.


Right back atchya, fucko. Wassa matta? Rappy the Lapdog can't speak for himself? Or is it that YOU can't speak for yourself? I asked AuLapdog why he isn't wiling to put up or shut up - he's real big on sending our troops in to die at every opportunity. I want to know why he refuses to join them. Seems if I were that gung-ho to go to war, I'd have joined up by now.


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Monday, March 9, 2009 3:58 AM

RIVER6213


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Heap big man on internet, big whoop.


Right back atchya, fucko. Wassa matta? Rappy the Lapdog can't speak for himself? Or is it that YOU can't speak for yourself? I asked AuLapdog why he isn't wiling to put up or shut up - he's real big on sending our troops in to die at every opportunity. I want to know why he refuses to join them. Seems if I were that gung-ho to go to war, I'd have joined up by now.





Well said.


-River

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Monday, March 9, 2009 6:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jongsstraw- to get to your original post:

Our meltdown has been decades in the making. For the past eight years bankers, mortgage companies, stock traders, CEOs and all the other big-wigs have had tax breaks and no oversight. And what have they done with it???

They robbed the till and drove the economy off a cliff. (Aided and abetted by GWB, who robbed the treasury and drove the Federal govt off a cliff.)

NOW you want this all reversed in 45 days?

Yanno, the ONLY way to fix the problem RIGHT AWAY is nationalization: take banking and mortgages, health insurance and GM OUT of the hands of people screwed it up and who bled it dry. That's the only answer.

But that wouldn't satisfy peeps like you, who STILL think we should "let business be business"... despite the fact that we have a shining example of those results right in front of us. And so, in deference to the brain-dead Republicans, Obama is stuck throwing good money after bad.

If it were me, I'd just take over... everything. Like Bill Maher said: take a couple of the more egregious robber-barons and hang them from the big-board with their balls stuffed in their mouths.

BTW- I usually don't Hurl obscenities and neither does Kwicko. THAT usually comes from the other side. Check it out for yourself.

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Monday, March 9, 2009 6:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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BTW- I usually don't Hurl obscenities and neither does Kwicko. THAT usually comes from the other side. Check it out for yourself



Well, I try not to START hurling obscenities, but I have no problem responding in kind when they're hurled at me. I tend to talk to people in pretty much the exact fashion they speak to me.



Mike

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Monday, March 9, 2009 6:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


True.

But I'm gonna try and keep this conversation on Jongsstraw's point. Sorry I took it of-topic.

Jongs? Got any rebuttal?
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Monday, March 9, 2009 7:03 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Sig, why do you constantly go after AU and Jong? Seriously. You won't change them any more than they will change you.

Just agree to disagree, ok?

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Monday, March 9, 2009 7:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I have no illusions that I'm going to change Rapo. He's in the grip of a serious Limbaugh delusion. (Please see my analysis of his pathology in "Why you can't take Crapo seriously".)

Jongsstraw is NOT delusional. With serious emotional bent, prolly due to upbringing, but not deluded- at least not so far as I've noticed.

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Monday, March 9, 2009 10:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA


For the same reason I occasionally put a boot to your rear, Wulf.

Jong seems to have a working brain, bent that it is, whilst Rappy and his blatantly obvious sock puppet here are just mindless parrots repeating the words of an entertainer masquerading as a political commentator.

-F

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Monday, March 9, 2009 3:36 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


When did this board decide to stop discussing world events in favour of discussing Members?

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Monday, March 9, 2009 6:42 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


It's better to discuss the members than pretend that unca' daddy isn't boinking lil' Sue, or that nana isn't shit-faced every day all day, or any number of pathologies.

The only person who continually tries to keep the threads on-topic is SignyM, who's been called a Nazi for asking questions, and who is usually completely ignored by the people on your side. Jong hasn't gotten back with an answer, I see.

As for you, BDN - I see you've contributed nothing to the topic, again, as always. That makes your post really funny, in a 'laugh at the idiot' kind of way.

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Silence is consent.

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Monday, March 9, 2009 11:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Discussing our members ?

What?! and nobody brought a tape measure ?

Pffth, no wonder nothin gets solved around here.

-F

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Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 AM

DARKJESTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Since Obama's inauguration, Americans have lost an additional 30% of our money. Our money has gone down in close step to Obama's announcements of doom and spending madness. His response is "we don't look at market fluctuations". No sir, the reality is Wall Street and foreign investors think your plan and vision is dangerous and disasterous. And to be so obtuse and insensitive to the financial hardships that YOUR 45 days of bashing the economy and blaming everyone else has done is quite frankly sickening and pathetic.

And besides, Mr. Obama, you didn't write the plan, you didn't even read the 1000 pages of it, did you? You're merely a figurehead, the messiah, the chosen one, and you travel around the country, give endlessly boring and frightening press conferences while your mesmorized lemmings faint and drool at your very presence, but you don't really get into doing any of the work, do you? That is ALL left to Pelosi and her band of leftist loons who have put forth a budget that rewards Democrat donors and supporters, and grants entitlements the the least worthy, all in a coordinated effort to assure Democratic political dominance for decades.

Now, your secret pit bull, but outwardly effeminent Chief Of Staff Rahm the Ripper Emmanuel is desperatley trying to distract Americans from the worsening economic crisis that you and your phony Presidency are creating. You're taking us from a recession right into global depression, which was your plan all along, right? You and your ilk want Americans to be dependent on the Govt. tit; you want Americans to stop thinking and mindlessly fall in line with you and Polly Pelosi. You're going after Rush Limbaugh as a distraction. Rahm Emmanuel and former Clinton hackistas Begalia & Carville are trying to score political points. FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY??? You won the fucking election with your money and lies, so you don't need to keep campaigning against Republicans, especially in the most petty and pathetic manner possible now, do you?

Americans are waking up to the realities of what Pelosi & Obama are doing. I expect tax revolts and a massive souring of the Obama mystique. You, President Obama, have LIED to America. You campaigned and promised:
Fiscal Transparency : Sure pal, Congress voted on it before they even could read it.
No Earmarks : The current $ 410 Billion omnibus spending with 8000+ earmarks should be vetoed, but won't be.
Line By Line Accounting...again, a total lie.
Change in Washington....sure Barack....sick your foaming at the mouth maniacs Carville & Begalia to attack Republicans, that's a nice change.
Fiscal Responsiblity...sure Mr President, while Americans take it in the nuts, you party and wine and dine every week, propose spending hundreds of millions of dollars on staff helicopters, office remodeling, and Pelosi Perks.

Hey Barack, it's time to start to be the President for ALL Americans, not just the ones that think you walk on water. If you don't wise up soon, your 1-term Presidency will go down in the books as a disaster for America, and you will be nothing but a curious footnote of historical importance.




Sorry Jong, you come across like a 5th grader who is crowing about how you made some one say "Under where?"

The "facts" you present are phrased so inflammatorily that no-one in their right mind will take you seriously, even those who may agree.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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