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I'm plenty open to criticism

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[They leave you the fuck alone.

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What happened to the repeated statements by both myself and Jack that we do NOT light up in confined areas for that very reason ?

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True, water carries farther and it's more directed, but it was Jack's contention that the OTHER person should move. No common courtesy there!

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I don't smoke at work in the office. I don't want to put people out. I had no problem with having to go to the 4' x 4' heavily ventilated room to have a smoke on my break

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I don't smoke in front of other people, unless they inject them into a situation outside of work or family life where it is expected, at least at a reasonable amount of establishments, to partake in.

Like I said, at work, a 4 x 4 room until the new management came in and nixed it.

If I was living by the lease my new management wanted me to sign, which I didn't sign, I wouldn't be allowed to smoke in my own apartment which I pay $750 a month to live in and have been "Grandfathered" in.

In my Grandma's town, you can't smoke outdoors without risking a ticket now. Where would that put me now if that happened in my town and I signed that lease addendum?

I do want to work on a fair compromise for all parties, regarding when and where it's acceptable and taxwise, but from where I stand I have no choice but to keep getting beat down by the 75% or more majority on the matter.

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Originally posted by SignyM:


O2B- You're a jackoff.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yanno, apparently I confused Jack with Wulf.

Sorry 'bout that!

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They leave you the fuck alone.

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I wish.
I already answered that... it depends on how constrained I am to being near you. If we're both in a bus-stop shelter, why are you forcing ME to participate in something that I don't want to?

Whatever happend to common sense, and common courtesy?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Democracy? You mean this past election?

That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Obama won using the same techniques Hitler did. Propaganda mixed with charisma.

Good times.

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As for me, I know I have my faults....but it seems to me, that making someone quit doing something that isn't harming YOU in any way is a bit Nazi-like.

Oh, but wait! "SECOND HAND SMOKE KILLS!" Maybe,maybe NOT. Either way, just move in any direction...oh say.. 3 FEET and it wont even bother you.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I suppose it depends on whether I'm constrained to be in that area. If we're both in a bus stop shelter and its raining, I can't really avoid your smoke, can I?

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You're absolutely right Signy. To do so to you would be just plain rude. I won't go as far as to say somebody should be ticketed for it, but it would warrant a beatdown in my eyes if you asked me to stop and I told you to f-off or blew smoke in your face.

I'm not inconsiderate of others around me. I would never do that to somebody. I know I'm completely free to smoke at my friend's house when we play poker, but every time I ask his wife if it is okay before I start lighting up. (I actually do feel a bit guilty, but they don't have children and we don't play there often and I've always done it with her blessing). Although I feel most comfortable when I can lounge at somebodies house that allows it, I do my duty as a human being and step outside (or better yet, a garage) and smoke out there.

I also have no problem with not being allowed to smoke in the office while working. I didn't see a problem with having a well ventilated smoke room, but they nixed that (not because anyone was complaining, but because it's a fire hazard, mind you).

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All I would like is some consideration reciprocated while I have to work 12 hour shifts in Wisconsin winters and see the bastards spring for a smoking shelter. Hell, I even said I would pay for it myself when they were telling me it was a budgetary concern and then I got an angry email from one of the uppermanagement guys when my excange with the facility department was forwarded on to him saying that it is a liability for the company to have one outside and that I'm never to ask about it again.

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Being that I'm living in a US that might have 15% unemployment and I'm only about 8 months away from getting another week of vacation, I just shut my mouth then and stood out in the -40 degree winter to smoke. This is the great disconnect Signy. I think that many people think that I smoke, therefore I'm rude. This is just not the case. I just can't believe that the pendulum has swung so far the other way right now that everyone who wants can be just as rude to me verbally or through company policy and I don't have any way to retort in any meaningful manner.

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It's really sad, because I do have a lot of support for the idea, and mostly from non-smokers at work. None of them, except for the most self-rightous nannys out there want to see me freezing out there.

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As for the bars, I don't see why there couldn't be incentives to open a non-smoking bar/restaurant that would encourage people to open them or go smoke free. There would obviously be a big market out there for non-smoking establishments like this. I just don't think that state-wide bans are the answer. (Kinda how like I'm 100% against abortion because I believe that you're killing somebody, but I support Choice 100% and I would never call somebody out in a nasty way for having done it if I knew about it, although I would break up with a girlfriend or get a divorce if I knew the woman I was with did it after the fact.)

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I've thought about opening a non-smoking bar in Milwaukee myself even. I have the startup money to do it and I believe I would be able to get the credit given my work history. I think it would be a great story that the owner of the new non-smoking bar in Milwaukee steps outside into the smoke shelter every hour for a puff. This way, you wouldn't be forced to be around me smoking, and I wouldn't be forced to smoke at home. Win/win, I say.

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P.S. Thank you Frem and others for pointing out my real side of the story where it may have been overlooked in my absence. And thank you Signy for realizing that I'm not the inconsiderate ass that you were portraying me to be (if you weren't being sarcastic). I don't want to smoke in your bar, I just want to be able to smoke in my bar... get it?

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IM NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.

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Just that you should THINK FOR YOURSELF.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Or, as H.L. Mencken said,

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."

or George Bernard Shaw,

"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve."

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