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Your making the false assumption that Bush and Obama are the only two options. Since 1976 we've seen Carter's liberalism, Clinton's liberalism, and Obama's liberalism...all of which were very different.

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Whatever floats it for you Blowboy.


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I'd rather have a straight forward debate on the issues, but instead, you seemed hell bent on hurling inane , childish insults an all things good and decent, straight out of the box. It's not even though you make a rationale point, and then hurl your insults, you just come out w/ the insults, and add nothing else.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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No, they'd consist of your post, a few rebuttal posts from Rue, Signy, and Frem that flat-out shoot your garbage down with factual information instead of inflamed rhetoric, and then a lot of snark and childish replies, most of the childish replies coming from the right, most of the snark coming from the left. And THEN you'd start with the insults and personal attacks.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
...it was H.W.'s "read my lips" increase which caused the recession.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
rue, you lie , again. Reagan's tax cuts SAVED this country, got us out of Carter's misery index and it was H.W.'s "read my lips" increase which caused the recession.

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No, they'd consist of your post, a few rebuttal posts from Rue, Signy, and Frem that flat-out shoot your garbage down with factual information instead of inflamed rhetoric, and then a lot of snark and childish replies, most of the childish replies coming from the right, most of the snark coming from the left. And THEN you'd start with the insults and personal attacks.

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i'm right, you're wrong, I win, victory is mine. bow to your social and internet BETTER !!

PWNED!!
No, Chrissy, they start off lying and tossing out insults. That's how it usually begins.



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Originally posted by rue:
So let me get this straight:
Reagan dropped taxes from 50 to 28% and the country tanked, HW raised them from 28% to 31% and the country tanked, and Clinton raised them from 31% to 39% and the economy truly did roar.

I'd say that argues for a minimum top tax rate to be between at least 39% for the economy to do well.

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You'd say that because you're a partisan simpleton who has no gorram clue about how the economy works.

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You'd say that because you're a partisan simpleton who has no gorram clue about how the economy works.

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Rapo, you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag.

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You'd say that because you're a partisan simpleton who has no gorram clue about how the economy works.

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OMG!!!! I nearly peed my pants I laughed so hard!

THIS from the guy who saw smoke and thought the economy was "on fire"! (Yeah, it was, but not in the way he thought.) Who said that 95% don't pay taxes! Who said that correcting for inflation was some weird senseless voodoo 'cause he didn't understand it!

Rapo, AFA the economy is concerned, you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag.



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You'd say that because you're a partisan simpleton who has no gorram clue about how the economy works.

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OMG!!!! I nearly peed my pants I laughed so hard!

THIS from the guy who saw smoke and thought the economy was "on fire"! (Yeah, it was, but not in the way he thought.) Who said that 95% don't pay taxes! Who said that correcting for inflation was some weird senseless voodoo 'cause he didn't understand it!

Rapo, AFA the economy is concerned, you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag.



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The economy WAS on fire, you gutless blockheads. All the hatred in the world you can muster against W won't ever change that. EVER.

Dow under Bush - 14,093

Under Obama - 6,600 and tanking.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, no matter how much you stamp your feet and pout otherwise, the economy was heading off a cliff. But you didn't see it coming, and I did.

So much for your economic acumen.

heh heh heh
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Sure you did. Keep telling yourself that.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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The dow's drop was due to the market whithering at the prospect of an Obama administration. The dow increased by that much because Bush was such a masterful economic influence, causing the dow to reach the highest levels in the history of -


EVERYTHING !

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ummm.... you perhaps didn't notice my OLD tag-line, the one I'd been using for most of 2008: "Let's party like it's 1929"? If YOU didn't I'm sure almost everyone else here did.

And here I thought you were all about facts.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

It seems that your only contact with facts is in their sheer denial!

And along those lines, I'll bet you have NO IDEA how gorram stupid you look right about now! And I don't mean minorly funny, I mean pathetically laugh-out-loud clueless!

Well, if nothing else you're good for a hoot!

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And along those lines, I'll bet you have NO IDEA how gorram stupid you look right about now! And I don't mean minorly funny, I mean pathetically laugh-out-loud clueless!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Of course, back then YOU were so smart and omniscient that you KNEW McCain had it wrapped up, remember?

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Of course, back then YOU were so smart and omniscient that you KNEW McCain had it wrapped up, remember?

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He also KNEW that there was nothing wrong with the economy.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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now you're trying to twist your old tag line into meaning what ever you want it to.

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Originally posted by asarian:
Look, the kid seems to mean well, but he's got some funny notions. "Conservatism is an ideology of protecting the people and the people's rights." And by that he means, of course, the right to enrich yourself (further) with Government backing. Which is to say, he'd rather have no Government; but if one is needed, then one who will just cater to the super rich, please. What was it again that George W. said?

"This is an impressive crowd. The Haves, & the Have mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."

So, it's cute and all to hear the kid feebly defending that it's really, really, not a partisan thingy, but let's face it, it's always been about the Grand Old Party, and who they need to elect to lower their taxes even further.


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W,sad to say, wasn't a conservative. He was a party man, and one who held the office of President above that even of the Party, the Constitution, and quite possibly, the country itself.

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W,sad to say, wasn't a conservative. He was a party man, and one who held the office of President above that even of the Party, the Constitution, and quite possibly, the country itself.

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Originally posted by asarian:
Look, the kid seems to mean well, but he's got some funny notions. "Conservatism is an ideology of protecting the people and the people's rights."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, the kid was right. He reflected what Reagan and Thomas Pain both thought,

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Originally posted by rue:
Point of fact - Reagan's biggest tax cuts didn't happen till the last two years - just in time, apparently, to torpedo the economy for George HW Bush.
1981 ... 69 ... 215,400 > Ronald Wilson Reagan
1982 ... 50 ... 85,600
1983 ... 50 ... 109,400
1984 ... 50 ... 162,400
1985 ... 50 ... 169,020
1986 ... 50 ... 175,250
1987 ... 38. ... 90,000
1988 ... 28 ... 29,750
1989 ... 28 ... 30,950 > George H. W. Bush
1990 ... 28 ... 32,450
1991 ... 31 ... 82,150
1992 ... 31 ... 86,500

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Some would argue that it is Reagan's other tax cuts that ushered in the longest period of sustained growth since WW2.

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I note that your chart is very informative because the dramatic tax cuts it reflects freed up capitial investments that later funded the tech boom.

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I note that your chart is very informative because the dramatic tax cuts it reflects freed up capitial investments that later funded the tech boom. Existing tech companies expanded and other companies were created by wealthy investors in the late 1980s to develop and exploit the technological breakthroughs that transformed society in the 1990s.

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But those same "some" are also the ones who would argue that GWB's policy effects ended the moment Obama took office.

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The tech boom was fueled by low interest rates, just as the housing boom was fueled by low interest rates.

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The tech boom came about because rich folks in the 1980's funded companies and research that developed the "tech" that later boomed. Capital meant research, it meant factories, it meant marketing, not to mention production, infrastructure, and jobs.

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But leave it to the Left wing, to vilify a 13 yr old kid who speaks the truth

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, that took longer than I expected, actually. But leave it to the Left wing, to vilify a 13 yr old kid who speaks the truth. Real MEN you have there, drudging up racism and hatred on a fine young man. You folks are despicable.

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Then you and Obama have something in common. You claim you pay attention, but some how miss the very message that's been repeated, over and over.

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Well, that took longer than I expected, actually. But leave it to the Left wing, to vilify a 13 yr old kid who speaks the truth. Real MEN you have there, drudging up racism and hatred on a fine young man. You folks are despicable.

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W, sad to say, wasn't a conservative. He was a party man, and one who held the office of President above that even of the Party, the Constitution, and quite possibly, the country itself.

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So, it's cute and all to hear the kid feebly defending that it's really, really, not a partisan thingy, but let's face it, it's always been about the Grand Old Party, and who they need to elect to lower their taxes even further.

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A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough ...

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( Penn was right. The Dems ARE the party of HATE. )

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