Are People Who Voted For Bush The Second Time Easily Controlled By Fear Tactics? by chrisisall

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Originally posted by fivver:
Two words:

John Kerry

Surely at that point he was easily the lesser of two evils, no?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:21 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by fivver:
Two words:

John Kerry
Surely at that point he was easily the lesser of two evils, no?

To peaceable, enlightened folk like us, sure. Though it's not very sexy as explanations go, I tend to mostly credit the "don't change horses midstream" mentality (and the alien transmissions received through that box on Bush's back). I would be interested to see the alternate 'verse version of that election, in which nothing changes except holding it a year later.

It was like that when we got here!

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:26 AM

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
the alien transmissions received through that box on Bush's back

You saw it too?????
*knows he's not crazy now*

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:13 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
the alien transmissions received through that box on Bush's back
You saw it too?????
*knows he's not crazy now*

Hmmm - on the advice of my therapist (court order, actually), I'm advising you not to rest too great a load on that particular cause-and-effect relationship...

It was like that when we got here!

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:56 AM

Yes, of course, hush hush and all that. Gotchya.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Huh, and I thought it was my imagination.

Bush was controlled by a box!

That explains the snarled Let me finish! to... the voices in his head, apparently.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:35 AM

America loves a winner!

I was. Fear of this bozo running our country.

'nuff said.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:37 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Damn straight, Bush would have had a line of coke on each of those puppies, huh.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:43 AM

America loves a winner!

Clinton does a line of coke off of Monica - he's cool! What a fun party animal, that Bubba!

But make a bogus claim 'bout Bush doing a line or being drunk, you're doing it out of pure spite.

I find that funny.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:53 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Clinton does a line of coke off of Monica - he's cool! What a fun party animal, that Bubba!

But make a bogus claim 'bout Bush doing a line or being drunk, you're doing it out of pure spite.

I find that funny.

No, bogus is where they didn't really do it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:03 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was. Fear of this bozo running our country.

'nuff said.

Party affiliation aside, that photo's priceless!

Kerry needs to re-view the Seinfeld ep about glancing vs. staring...

It was like that when we got here!

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:05 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I can fully understand why someone might have voted for him the first time, by why in the name of Our Dear & Fluffy Lord would ANYONE have voted for him the second time? Were they SO scared of the terrorists taking over? Was that it?

The most important issue for me was the War on Terror. In 2004 the Iraq war was less then a year and a half old. We had defeated the Iraqi Army, removed Saddam and the Baathists from power, and engaged in security and reconstruction operations. Yes, there were problems, what LATER turned out to be big policy problems in Iraq...but generally we had Iraq in hand. The same was true of Afganistan. Domestically... there had been no further attacks since 9/11, largely because of President Bush's post 9/11 security policy.

Second was the economy. After 9/11 we had some serious economic problems largely the result of inherited Clinton problems, instability in the energy markets, and 9/11's attack on the financial infrastructure which was already weakened by various accounting scandals. But in November of 2004 we seemed to have a handle on that as well. The Bush tax cuts were in effect, the market was up, car sales and house sales were up, unemployment was down, etc. Signs were pretty good.

Third was the social agenda of the various parties. I am a social conservative. That meant I would NOT vote for John Kerry...I vote Republican on issues of life, gay marriage, etc.

Fourth was health care. On one hand we had a Republican plan that completely failed to deal with the problem. On the other hand we had a Democratic plan that would pretty much screw everybody and bankrupt the nation. This was a very important issue to me as I was without health care at the time. On this issue I decided a screwed up plan was better then no plan and came down supporting Kerry on the issue.

Fifth, illegal immigration. Against it. Kerry wanted more illegals, Bush wanted less illegals. I wanted no illegals...Bush was closer.

Sixth, the invasion of Canada. I support it...I think Bush did too.

Seventh, Kerry was a French-i-fied pansy.

I simply had more faith in President Bush's ability to keep us safe, win the war, keep us prosperous, and to make the correct moral decisions that make for good public policy.

In effect he did keep us safe, he did win the war (with a late game rally), he kept us prosperous...until about 5 months before he left office, and he made moral decisions I supported.

I am really disappointed by the economic problems we had...but I think a bad situation last fall has been compounded by poor planning and failure to execute by Obama since he took office.

I think he'd have been better off taking a 'first do no harm' approach and maybe taking a couple weeks to get his economic team in place and let then sitting down and hashing out a plan. But its his show, I'll let him run it for a while longer yet.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:11 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:

Party affiliation aside, that photo's priceless!

Kerry needs to re-view the Seinfeld ep about glancing vs. staring...

It was like that when we got here!

The Kerry pic so speaks for itself. If that were him 20-30 yrs ago, I'd still find it crepy, just not as much. What a dirty old man!

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Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I can fully understand why someone might have voted for him the first time, by why in the name of Our Dear & Fluffy Lord would ANYONE have voted for him the second time? Were they SO scared of the terrorists taking over? Was that it?

Comments? Theories?

The laughing Chrisisall

Because we were smart enough NOT to vote for John Kerry. Maybe if the Democrats had put up a candidate, it might have been different, it's not like there isn't a decent Democrat in existence - but just that the party won't allow a reasonable person in the top ticket.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 1:32 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I can fully understand why someone might have voted for him the first time, by why in the name of Our Dear & Fluffy Lord would ANYONE have voted for him the second time? Were they SO scared of the terrorists taking over? Was that it?

Comments? Theories?

The laughing Chrisisall

Because we were smart enough NOT to vote for John Kerry. Maybe if the Democrats had put up a candidate, it might have been different, it's not like there isn't a decent Democrat in existence - but just that the party won't allow a reasonable person in the top ticket.

Yeah, but you say that as if it's something only the Dems are guilty of! :) Plenty enough of that syndrome going around BOTH parties, to be honest.

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 13, 2009 2:14 AM

Kerry was put up against Bush because he would lose, just as McCain was put up against Obama because he would lose.

In both elections, there were other party members on either side that would have fared much better against their competition.

I knew the Rethugs were going to have a really rough time of it this go around since the Bush administration was so evil and unrepentant and seemed to revel in the "biggest dick" competition with American citizens as well as the rest of the world, but I knew the election was over the moment McCain got the nod.

Just like I was sure that the Rethugs won when Kerry did.

Mission accomplished. Now they have the greenlight to spend trillions on top of trillions of tax payer dollars that somebody is going to have to pay back someday.

Who says you can't get something accomplished if you work together? The neo-cons drove us to our knees and we're all still blowing Obama while he sells our grandchildren into slavery.

1984 was just the blueprint.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Sixth, the invasion of Canada. I support it...I think Bush did too.

Hero, you answered my question best from the support POV, thanks.

Your biggest drawback is being a social conservative, I believe. To ban gay marriage is to give it a cause, make it stronger, and more in your face than ever. If you truly want the issue to "just go away" then allow it. You'll never really hear about it after that.
I also understand the fear concerning the War On Temper, er.. Terror. Saddam had been portrayed as a terrorist, er, potential terrorist...he had WMD...without delivery systems..whatever, Bush was just carrying out a set of superseded UN resolutions that NEEDED to be carried out! Right?
Well, no, really.

I submit that voting for Bush a second time was due switching your brain to auto pilot. Kerry was an idiot, but a potentially far less hurtful one than Bush. But like folk that pick at a scab, y'all wanted to see how much we'd bleed with Bush. Well, y'all found out, and y'all can keep pretending to be happy about it.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:29 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Kerry was put up against Bush because he would lose, just as McCain was put up against Obama because he would lose.

Who says you can't get something accomplished if you work together?

There is a certain scary logic to that, 6.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:32 AM

Wow. A MAN looking at some nice boobies. That's INHUMAN!!!

AUHeterophobeisall

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
it's not like there isn't a decent Democrat in existence - but just that the party won't allow a reasonable person in the top ticket.

Yeah.

Then, anyway.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:55 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Kerry was put up against Bush because he would lose, just as McCain was put up against Obama because he would lose.

Who says you can't get something accomplished if you work together?
There is a certain scary logic to that, 6.

The laughing Chrisisall

Thanks for summing that up for me Chris with the PG version. My profanity filter today seems to be in need of some tuning.

I'm just wondering how many of us are voting for either "side" because we're easily controlled by fear tactics.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:03 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Wow. A MAN looking at some nice boobies. That's INHUMAN!!!

AUHeterophobeisall

The laughing Chrisisall

Kerry needs to re-view the Seinfeld ep about glancing vs. staring...

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Who says you can't get something accomplished if you work together? The neo-cons drove us to our knees and we're all still blowing Obama while he sells our grandchildren into slavery.

There's a certain scary logic to that, too...

Not saying it's what I want to believe...but it wouldn't surprise me that damn much either if it turned out to be the case.

It was like that when we got here!

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I'm just wondering how many of us are voting for either "side" because we're easily controlled by fear tactics.

More than half of us, clearly.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Kerry needs to re-view the Seinfeld ep about glancing vs. staring...

Why is it okay to stare at a beautiful car, or a beautiful child, but not a beautiful girl? Should I not look at Bruce Lee's magnificent abs in Enter The Dragon? Should I not look too long at a painting of a nude woman from the Baroque period?

AUPrudeisall

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:54 AM

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Who says you can't get something accomplished if you work together? The neo-cons drove us to our knees and we're all still blowing Obama while he sells our grandchildren into slavery.

There's a certain scary logic to that, too...

Not saying it's what I want to believe...but it wouldn't surprise me that damn much either if it turned out to be the case.

It was like that when we got here!

Hey man... I thought Minority Report was the scariest movie I've ever seen because most of that stuff if already possible. If we keep printing money like there is no tomorrow and Governement projects, off our own tax dollars, "give" us jobs, we'll all be installing video camera equipment over every square inch of public space with shit we buy from China one day.

WE didn't start the fire. That includes Obama and Bush.

I doubt that anyone who's alive today was around when those wheels started turning.

I know nobody wants to believe. Nobody wants to swallow the red pill when Cypher already taught us that it's so much more pleasurable to enjoy steak....

~6

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Cypher already taught us that it's so much more pleasurable to enjoy steak....

Speak for yourself.

Agent Veggieisall

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:04 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Kerry needs to re-view the Seinfeld ep about glancing vs. staring...

Why is it okay to stare at a beautiful car, or a beautiful child, but not a beautiful girl? Should I not look at Bruce Lee's magnificent abs in Enter The Dragon? Should I not look too long at a painting of a nude woman from the Baroque period?

AUPrudeisall

The laughing Chrisisall

So, women are now objects for your pure amusement ? As an elected offical, Kerry needs to show more tact. Hell, as an adult, he should show more tact. I'm not saying he can't peek ,but dude.... buy them ( the young women, of course ) a drink or something if you're gonna stare that long.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:05 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
dude.... buy them a drink or something if you're gonna stare that long.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:08 AM

Hey. This thread has gone off-topic.

You voted for Bush because you were afraid of Islamo-fascists, right?
NeoCon-fascists are more your speed, eh?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually it's worse, Howard Dean got boned by his own party to make way for Kerry so he could take a dive for his fellow bonesman.

I met John Conyers, and started getting into his shit on the spot, at a Dean rally cause I wanted to see if the guy had any kinda useful personal charisma, which he did - but AFTER his own party boned him, instead of going indie, he rolled over and started licking their boots for favors ?

Burn in hell, Howie.
And there's a special place for you too, Johnnie boy, and your wife agrees with ME.
(Monica has all the balls in THAT marriage)

So ya got Howie, who got torpedoed by his own party for rocking the boat during what was supposed to be a fixed fight, and then the gutless pansy goes crawling back to the very folk who screwed him - and Kerry, who actively tried to bone his own campaign every chance he got, in a "fight" as fixed as a WWF match, and of course he takes the dive for his bonesman buddy like he's supposed to...

And everyone acts like these votes MATTER ?

When the electors are hand-picked by the party machines and everyone knows exactly how it's gonna go a year in advance no matter what the vote count REALLY is, cause it's all blackboxed anyways ?

When the districts are so gerrymandered that even a massive backlash still won't change a goddamn thing ?

And let's not even talk about the 12% "electronic advantage"...

You're playing a rigged game, at the sharpers table, with a marked deck, by his house rules - what the fuck did you expect to happen, people ?

The electoral college was installed in the first place to prevent us pesky peons from being able to depose our "betters" so that Hamilton, Madison and Jay could install a de-facto aristocracy and keep it in place regardless of how we peons felt about it and like it or not, it worked exactly as planned.

Tell me folks, does any of you even know HOW electors are selected and installed, hmmm ?

Or what exactly, you would have to do TO install one, IF they even LET you despite what the rules might say on paper ?

And even if you DO pull it off, and they vote the will of the people, the other electors will label them as a "Faithless Elector" (because they'd have to lie to even get in the door!) and invalidate their vote under Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214 (1952)

So, again, what the hell do you expect ?

Your ONLY chance is a sideways congressional ambush, and frankly, your time for that is running out all too goddamn fast, as everyone is too damn busy scratching for mere survival (exactly as planned) to bother with such concerns at the present time.

For the love of mercy quit pretending this system isn't locked up tight by the party machines and start facing the realities you will HAVE to face if you want to knock the damn props out from under these misbegotten sumbitches.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:32 AM

Frem, are you saying that Joss' comment about the "puppet theatre" applies to OUR system?

Shirley not!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:36 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...instead of going indie, he rolled over and started licking their boots for favors ?

Boot lickin' good. MMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

Who's boots were Dr. Paul licking while he voted against his own raise, refused to kiss McCain's ass to be a part of the Rethug Kiss Ass Party, and spent $24 million dollars of volunteer's money to advertise his positions against David's Golliath's?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, March 13, 2009 6:49 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You're playing a rigged game, at the sharpers table, with a marked deck, by his house rules - what the fuck did you expect to happen, people?

Oh, you know - puppies, kittens, guilt-free sex, a smile like Bob's...the usual.

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For the love of mercy quit pretending this system isn't locked up tight by the party machines and start facing the realities you will HAVE to face if you want to knock the damn props out from under these misbegotten sumbitches.

I won't pretend there's not some pretense. I willfully and with goofiness aforethought drank a mess of the Obama Kool-Aid, especially in the last few months of the campaign. I knew there'd be a frightful hang-over, but I was just that damn simple-minded giddy over the prospect of a president who could speak in complete, intelligible sentences and didn't scowl in confusion at the sight of words longer than 2 syllables. And the fact that he took a dim view of torture was (and is, dammit!) a nice touch. I figured I'd deal with the disappointment - and I knew there'd be at least some - when the dust settled. And here comes the dust.

But in my case (and others, I'm sure), along with that pretense goes about 40 years of damn near unquestioning (plenty of snark and bitter commentary, but damn little questioning) belief. Belief that somewhere - somewhere - down below the bullshit of the individual personalities involved, was a political system that actually, in its means and motives, resembled the one presented to me and my classmates in 8th-grade history.

Not saying that my personal ignorance and disillusionment can't be dealt with, but...just makin' conversation.

It was like that when we got here!

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:36 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
To ban gay marriage is to give it a cause, make it stronger, and more in your face than ever. If you truly want the issue to "just go away" then allow it.

I don't care if the issue goes away or not. Essentially your arguing that the only way for me to get what I want is to give in on the issue. That's not the American way. I don't see this as an all or nothing prospect. I'm a lawyer. To me marriage is a sacred union between man and woman AND it is a legal institution that merges a man and woman's household creating new legal rights and obligations.

I can't give them marriage because as both a legal and spiritual issues marriage between same-sex persons simply does not exist. Its like calling an apple an orange.

But I can compromise. Legal unions can be used to recreate all of the legal rights and obligations marriage creates. It would be new law, so it cannot conflict with the old one on either spiritual or legal grounds. Plus, I see alternative uses for it outside sexual relationships.

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I also understand the fear concerning the War On Temper, er.. Terror. Saddam had been portrayed as a terrorist, er, potential terrorist...he had WMD...without delivery systems..whatever, Bush was just carrying out a set of superseded UN resolutions that NEEDED to be carried out! Right?
Well, no, really.

I disagree. My analysis was thoughtful despite reaching a different conclusion then you did.

I saw Saddam, not as a terrorist, but as a power hungery dictator who could use terrorists for his own ends to strike at us or others while maintaining deniability. All the reasonable and informed folks on the subject agreed that he had a WMD program (and he did have one...it was a programs designed to deceive us into believing he had one...and it worked). He was also providing material aid and comfort to terrorists such as a large Al Queda group based in northern Iraq and a high profile target that was in Baghdad for medical treatment the day the war started.

Looking back on it now I'm not convinced that we were wrong. I agree the post invasion planning was bad. My only concern is whether we should have gone after Iran instead.

In any event Obama will not even say "war on terror". In my opinion his policy change means there is no 'war on terror'. If that is the case then either there was no war, which will need to be explained to the 9/11 families, or we won the war, in which case we should all thank President Bush. If neither of those is correct then the only other explanation for Obama's policy change is that he's ignoring the war...and that's not good.

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I submit that voting for Bush a second time was due switching your brain to auto pilot.

Some people vote straight party line for either side. I think most people vote the way they do for very good reasons.

You should not assume people are stupid or ignorant or whatever for making a decision different then yours. You risk dehumanizing your opposition and that could lead to the very oppression you fear.

If you don't trust people to make the right decision and if that's the case, perhaps you should take the decision out of their hands.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
I can't give them marriage because as both a legal and spiritual issues marriage between same-sex persons simply does not exist. Its like calling an apple an orange.

Neither did marriage between a man and a woman until someone created it.

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He was also providing material aid and comfort to terrorists such as a large Al Queda group based in northern Iraq and a high profile target that was in Baghdad for medical treatment the day the war started.

Osama Bin Landen hated Saddam, he hated the motherfucker nearly as much as he hates the US, because he was secular. There was no big collusion between Al Qaeda and Saddam, this is nonsense. There's more members of Al Qaeda in Iraq NOW than there ever was under Saddam.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:46 AM

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You should not assume people are stupid or ignorant or whatever for making a decision different then yours. You risk dehumanizing your opposition and that could lead to the very oppression you fear.

Okay, who the hell are you, and what have you done with "Hero"?

How many times did you call Ron Paul's supporters deluded crazy-talkers? How many times have you called "liberals" un-American? You've ALWAYS assumed that people are ignorant or stupid for making decisions different than yours. Why the sudden change of heart? Could it have anything to do with being on the outside now, looking in?

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:49 AM

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There's more members of Al Qaeda in Iraq NOW than there ever was under Saddam.

And that is 100% thanks to the U.S. of fuckin' A.
We made it SAFE for them to be in Iraq, and gave them something to fight against, a cause to believe in. We have been the number one recruiter of terrorists in the world, by our own actions. We've driven people right into the arms of our sworn enemies.

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:53 AM

STORYMARK

I think it's adorable that those who have been "Rah-Rah"ing for Bush for so many years, and now going "we only voted for him the second time causa Kerry".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:55 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I think it's adorable that those who have been "Rah-Rah"ing for Bush for so many years, and now going "we only voted for him the second time causa Kerry".

Oh, but they weren't really for Bush all along, there was TONS of things they didn't support.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 8:03 AM

America loves a winner!

Chris,
Neo cons aren't 1/4th the fascist as Obama
& the Dems.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM

America loves a winner!

Perhaps it would help if you re- read the subject title.
Before any one gets cute & changes it :)

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Friday, March 13, 2009 8:17 AM

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Are People Who Voted For Bush The Second Time Easily Controlled By Fear Tactics?

That thread title?

I would answer "Yes, obviously."

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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:23 AM

RIPWASH

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Osama Bin Landen hated Saddam, he hated the motherfucker nearly as much as he hates the US, because he was secular. There was no big collusion between Al Qaeda and Saddam, this is nonsense.

Citizen (and Kwicko and Storymark and . . . ), I know you'll probably dispute this, but here is a report from 1999 from ABC News here in the US that shows the connection of Bin Laden and Hussein.

As my good friend Glenn Beck says . . . "I'm just sayin' . . ."

**EDIT** And yes I know there's a more recent report from ABC News stating that there was no link between the two, but their 1999 report went into the relationship rather extensively. Hmmmmmm . . . .

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:32 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by citizen:
Neither did marriage between a man and a woman until someone created it.

Thats my point, they created "marriage" they created it and defined it. You want something different...I say fine, nothing wrong with personal unions between same sex couples...but its something different, its not marriage.

Perhaps they could call it "smarriage".

Marriage, smarriage...its all the same.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:57 AM

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Citizen (and Kwicko and Storymark and . . . ), I know you'll probably dispute this, but here is a report from 1999 from ABC News here in the US that shows the connection of Bin Laden and Hussein.

As my good friend Glenn Beck says . . . "I'm just sayin' . . ."

**EDIT** And yes I know there's a more recent report from ABC News stating that there was no link between the two, but their 1999 report went into the relationship rather extensively. Hmmmmmm . . . .

Hmmmmm... indeed. You've got one source saying two completely opposite things. Looks like either way you believe, ABC has you covered!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:59 AM