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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:43 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/01/harper-interview.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Wednesday that Canada remains committed to its mission in Afghanistan, but he voiced strong concerns about new Afghan legislation that would limit women's rights in that country.

"This is antithetical to our mission in Afghanistan," Harper said in an interview with CBC News.

The new Afghan family law would reportedly make it illegal for women to refuse their husbands sex, leave the house without their permission or have custody of children.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/03/2009329162845133243.htm
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News CENTRAL/S. ASIA
Court backs Karzai term extension

Afghanistan's supreme court has recommended that Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, stay in office until elections are held on August 20, Afghan media has reported.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:48 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

At the grave risk of offense, I am going to try to alter this thread title.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:49 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hopefully that works.

Hello!

I honestly think we should use all political pressure at our disposal to improve that country while pulling our military away.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:07 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

At the grave risk of offense, I am going to try to alter this thread title.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

To what?

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:15 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hopefully that works.

Hello!

I honestly think we should use all political pressure at our disposal to improve that country while pulling our military away.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I think the problem isn't a Military one, it is the garbage excuse for a political system forced upon these people.

Unchecked Executive power, corruption, drug peddling, etc and now rolling back what was previously claimed as progress.

If I was an Afghan, I would likely be trying to fight this government and those trying to prop it up as well.

Problem is, I don't see a way out of this

Best case it stays the same until the west loses interest, leaves, then it all comes apart

Worst case, Pakistan falls apart and a bigger mess encompasses the region, uniting a whole lot of people with a common enemy.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:50 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"To what?"

Hello,

I tried to change the listed thread title to 'Afghanistan'.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:19 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

" New Afghan family law would reportedly make it illegal for women to refuse their husbands sex, leave the house without their permission or have custody of children. "

No comments ?

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:29 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I was pointing out years ago how our invasion to 'free the women from brutal oppression' (the words of invasion supporters, not mine) had created instead a warlord- and regressive-dominated society.
It's not that I don't care. It's just - how long can you

before you give up ?

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:47 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I was pointing out years ago how our invasion to 'free the women from brutal oppression' (the words of invasion supporters, not mine) had created instead a warlord- and regressive-dominated society.
It's not that I don't care. It's just - how long can you before you give up ?

I think that's rather unfair. By all accounts things are certainly no worse than they were under the Taliban. At least Women are starting to have the opportunity to get education now.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Yup, and there's every likelihood that Afghan women would have had more rights under the Russians, too - but instead, we backed Osama and his merry little band, and - whether indirectly or directly - brought about the rule of the Taliban. So apparently, Afghan women having little or no rights is a policy we've supported for quite some time.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:50 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" New Afghan family law would reportedly make it illegal for women to refuse their husbands sex, leave the house without their permission or have custody of children. "

No comments ?

We should make Afghanistan's government the pariah of the world if they pass it. Sanctions, bad press, free nunchucks at the border for all females- THE WORKS!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Why is that we must always put our damned Judeo-Christian ideals on other cultures?

Its not our damned business.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:06 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"By all accounts things are certainly no worse than they were under the Taliban."

But no better, either. We have not 'saved' the women from anything.

"At least Women are starting to have the opportunity to get education now."

Eh - under the Russians women became doctors, engineers, scientists. All undone in a generation.

Afghan Girls, Back in the Shadows
Home Classes Proliferate as Anti-Government Insurgents Step Up Attacks on Schools

Pakistani Militants Razed 100 Girls’ Schools on Border, UN Says
Last week, a suicide attacker bombed a girls’ school in southwestern Baluchistan province.

Will we defend the girls of Afghanistan?
By Janet Bagnall, The Leader-PostMarch 3, 2009
Last fall, Shamsia, 17, was attacked along with a dozen other students and teachers at Mirwais Mena Girls' School in Kandahar, by men believed to be Taliban.
But this month, in an interview with Al-Jazeera at a secret location in Kabul, Shamsia Husseini said she had been attacked a second time and this time she and her family fled Kandahar, traditionally a Taliban stronghold.
After the first attack, and the school girls' elevation into national heroes, the government of Hamid Karzai promised their families they would be protected. They would be given a special bus, a footbridge across the busy road in front of the school and greater police protection at the school, which was built in 2003 by Japan.
None of the promises was kept.

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Gooood job America.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:08 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Why is that we must always put our damned Judeo-Christian ideals on other cultures?

What has Judeo-Christian ideals got to do with rights for anyone? Judeo-Christian ideals are pretty much identical to those of Muslims, extremists of all camps are really just preaching from the same song book.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Both points apply.

And while not our business from a political standpoint, as fellow human beings, some folks consider it worth effort on a private, personal scale.

I am a wholehearted supporter of RAWA myself, one of the former english speaking contacts sent me a very touching wall poster a while back, but sadly wound up being "collateral damage" from one of our bombs not long after.

http://www.rawa.org/index.php

While they're less aggressive than I would like, they're good people and worth supporting.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 12:09 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Why is that we must always put our damned Judeo-Christian ideals on other cultures?

Its not our damned business.

In that case go home, and uh stay home

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 12:15 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Both points apply.

And while not our business from a political standpoint, as fellow human beings, some folks consider it worth effort on a private, personal scale.

I am a wholehearted supporter of RAWA myself, one of the former english speaking contacts sent me a very touching wall poster a while back, but sadly wound up being "collateral damage" from one of our bombs not long after.

http://www.rawa.org/index.php

While they're less aggressive than I would like, they're good people and worth supporting.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

" not our business from a political standpoint "

the government that is putting this in only exists because western soldiers are keeping them in power. I think that make it our business, and if they no longer want our troops to prevent the people of that country from showing them their dissatisfaction...

maybe starting from scratch the fourth time in recent history will take.

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 12:47 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Hell, if we're gonna use our troops to prop up yet another puppet government with the oh so obvious throwdown and backlash gonna come from it like every damn time before...

And since we're propping it up and to hell with the locals opinion of it, as usual...

I say why not just go all the way and put the women IN CHARGE, and make the MEN start wearing them friggin burkas under threat of a stoning!

I mean, if we're gonna be evil puppetmasters and all, yanno...

Yes, that was tongue in cheek, I'll leave it to you to figure out how much.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:40 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/02/law-afghanistan.html

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