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Umm.... congrats ?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
No word on the wiretap proof you requested?
Oh. You're not convinced.

Oh well, I had fun taking 3 minutes to look it up for you.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Wasn't that the ruling Bush won on appeal ?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm down with the Bond-hush-eyes-only thing on occasion, but these wiretaps were wasteful of money & manpower. Sloppy to boot. Do I care if someone hears me drone on for hours about Star Trek with a friend on a tapped line? Not really. Except that we're all paying for it, and taking peeps away from potentially more important work.

And btw, I am tapped, but it sort of dropped off around January.


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I'm just tryin' to answer some questions.

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So what context would cause you to shift from the "live-and-let-live/ ethic of non-involvement" to the ethic of involvement, and why?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Our intelligence force would have to number in the 10's of thousands !

And how the hell do you KNOW you were tapped ? Elaborate, please.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Wasn't that the ruling Bush won on appeal ?"

NO NO, NO and NO !!!!!

Bush did NOT get a retroactive OK for the illegal stuff he did when it was illegal !!!

GGAAADDDDD ! How MANY times to I have to refute that F^cks right-wing spin ???!!


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July 7, 2007

CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court yesterday ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging President Bush's domestic spying program, saying the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.

The 2-1 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel was not on the legality of the surveillance program, but it vacated an order last year by a lower court in Detroit.

That court had found the post-9/11 warrantless surveillance aimed at uncovering terrorist activity to be unconstitutional, violating rights to privacy and free speech and the separation of powers.

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I'd like to know why it is that you think that's actually happened. I'm not even going to suggest you're paranoid, so don't misundersand me. Do you TRULY think we've got agents sitting in vans or what ever, wearing headsets and randomly listening in on the phone conversations of over 300 million U.S. citizens ?

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A former AT&T employee, Mark Klein, has released documents alleging the company spliced its fiber optic cables and ran a duplicate set of cables to Room 641A at its 611 Folsom St. building. Improperly-redacted documents seen by CNET News.com show that AT&T has tried to offer benign reasons for the existence of such a room. (AT&T has publicly neither confirmed nor denied cooperating with the National Security Agency.)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Our intelligence force would have to number in the 10's of thousands !

And how the hell do you KNOW you were tapped ? Elaborate, please.

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That's just it, they have limited resources, so they have computers searching for key words, then manually sift through the flagged ones, mostly bored outta their skulls.

And that weekly *click* silence *click* when you pick up the phone is the sloppy part.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I sincerely doubt that the 'clicking' sounds you hear are in any way connected to 'sloppy wire tapping'. Now you ARE sounding paranoid.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Do you suppose you all could stop circling rapo long enough for him to answer my question?

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:


These next 4 years are going to be exciting indeed. They will demonstrate to the public how not to run a governmental process.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Do you suppose you all could stop circling rapo long enough for him to answer my question?

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I'm just tryin' to answer some questions.

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Are you talking about should I call the police if I hear a couple arguing, and think there might be real physical abuse going on, or are you talking about if I were to support or oppose of a President in the choice of sending in troops to another country ?

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Do you suppose you all could stop circling rapo long enough for him to answer my question?

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Well, it would have to be a on going, and loud argument, and not just raised voices or a few choice words thrown around

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After more than 10 yrs, there was 2 options we had left. Go in, and take care of business, once and for all, or meekly back down, tail between our legs, and basically give in and admit that Saddam had played us, and won.

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Is this all about a pissing contest, or is there more the issue?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
we mean what we say.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
so everyone was sorta right, that what you tryin' to say?

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For starters, I don't hold to the often repeated claim that we've "spent" our reputation. If anything, we've solidified it,that we're good on our word, and we mean what we say.

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I sincerely doubt that the 'clicking' sounds you hear are in any way connected to 'sloppy wire tapping'. Now you ARE sounding paranoid.

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Shut the fuck up, AU! You think with all this political talk going on here, WE ALL AREN'T red-flagged???

Now you ARE sounding nieve.

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we mean what we say.

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LOL. What world power can ever claim that?

Yoo too funny, AU.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig,

For starters, I don't hold to the often repeated claim that we've "spent" our reputation. If anything, we've solidified it,that we're good on our word, and we mean what we say.

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Yeah, that's totally how the rest of the world sees you.

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Sig,

For starters, I don't hold to the often repeated claim that we've "spent" our reputation. If anything, we've solidified it,that we're good on our word, and we mean what we say.

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Yeah, that's totally how the rest of the world sees you.

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Yeah, that's totally how the rest of the world sees you.

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As if you somehow represent the rest of the world.

Whatever makes you sleep at night C.

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See how I just turned that around on ya?

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As if you somehow represent the rest of the world.

Whatever makes you sleep at night C.

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Germans giving you guys problems again?

No ?

K. If they act up, you know where to find us.

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we mean what we say.

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LOL. What world power can ever claim that?

Yoo too funny, AU.


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It's true. We backed up our threats w/ actions. Where's the joke?

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