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I can't hear you, lalala, I'm hiding.

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That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

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Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Nope. I just genuinely dislike the dude, and think he's a self-deluded hypocritical chump. My own political beleifs are not contigent upon that. But nice try.

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Either way, whether you’re an idiot or an insufferable prick, you don’t come across very well.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I argue with him as I would with a man about to jump off a bridge!!! I want him to see past his own immediate pain & fear!! Confident folk can give reasons for their beliefs, he hides behind an Oxycontin fiend for his comfort!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So which one are you? Are you an idiot who can't spell, can't own up to the fact that you can't spell, can't simply say, "Oops, my bad - edited to fix spelling error", or are you an insufferable prick who'd rather attack those who point out your glaring errors, for having the temerity to call you on the fact that you're really not very bright?

Or are you both? Are you an insufferable prick who is also quite stupid?

Whichever it is, you don't come across very well.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Making a typo has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. Even the best spellers sometimes misspell words. And I don’t come to this board to edit documentation for publication. I come here to chat with friends and fellow browncoats. So that explains my typos. I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those typos or how you can be completely befuddled to grasp the meaning of posts giving minor insignificant typos.

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But that would seem to argue my point. What do you know about Auraptor that would lead you to feel so strongly and personally against him, other then his political views? You genuinely dislike a person for no other reason then that this person’s political beliefs differ from yours. What you are describing is ideological bigotry or fundamentalism.

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he's forthcoming with his view of the world

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I'm not sure its HIS view. I think it's someone else's.



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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those who point out your continuous typos or how you can be completely befuddled and fail to grasp the usage of words no matter how many times their correct usage is pointed out to you.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Not "politically" challenged. But yes, I have only concerned thoughts about rapo. I don't get angry with him anymore. (At least, not as much as before.) But I agree with Rue. It's dangerous for anyone to censor their data so heavily. Sooner or later, that person is going to fall into a pit they didn't see.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Storymark for instant...

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I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

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Finn wrote:

For those that are paying attention, what kwicko is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you. Storymark for instant, misspelled beliefs and contingent. So it’s not spelling he’s concerned with. Just the desperate need to make himself feel superior by ridiculing others. This is truly an asshole quality.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have a conclussion too. Many of you attack Auraptor, becuase it makes you feel more comfortable with your own point of view. Maybe you should take a lesson from auraptor and learn to be as confident with your own point of view and stop despising other people to make yourself feel better.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Much as I'd like to try in some way to trust your sincerity, you know that I've seen too many of your posts to even remotely believe your condescending explanation of your Auraptor obsession

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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That’s a serious retardation of leaning ability.

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Hell, I can lean pretty much anywhere, any time. I absolutely have leaning ability.

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That’s good to hear, but it doesn’t seem to bare true in your responses. So far tinny typos have managed to completely derail your understanding of the text. Or rather, perhaps you understand the text, but you’re just an asshole who would rather ignore the issue and instead attack people for insignificant typos? Either way, whether you’re an idiot or an insufferable prick, you don’t come across very well.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I realized at some point that he may have a true deficiency.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I argue with him as I would with a man about to jump off a bridge!!! I want him to see past his own immediate pain & fear!! Confident folk can give reasons for their beliefs, he hides behind an Oxycontin fiend for his comfort!

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Perhaps that is your problem. Perhaps it’s time for you to set aside the self-righteousness and take a real and honest look at other people’s views. And if you were more confident in your own point of view, you wouldn’t need to portray someone who disagreed with you as a suicidal maniac. Perhaps you’d have a better chance of understanding of what he has to say and a better chance of explaining what you have to say. But as I said, I don’t think its about understanding or explaining. I think it’s about you wanting to find a demon to cast aside so that you can feel the some sort of righteousness in your own views. But believing that you are right about something doesn’t have to mean that someone who disagrees with you is crazy.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I’m still waiting to hear how you feel justified in your assholish response to those who point out your continuous typos or how you can be completely befuddled and fail to grasp the usage of words no matter how many times their correct usage is pointed out to you.

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For those that are paying attention, what kwicko is doing is attacking me to make himself feel superior. Obviously, typos aren’t really as big a concern to kwicko as he pretends, or he would be displaying his asshole qualities to many of you. Storymark for instant, misspelled beliefs and contingent. So it’s not spelling he’s concerned with. Just the desperate need to make himself feel superior by ridiculing others. This is truly an asshole quality. But it’s the same thing people do to Auraptor when they ridicule him for his point of view. More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Much as I'd like to try in some way to trust your sincerity, you know that I've seen too many of your posts to even remotely believe your condescending explanation of your Auraptor obsession

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Believe it or not, but if you go back through my posts you'll see I've generally been pretty easy on rapo the last month or so. I realized at some point that he may have a true deficiency. You may have me confused with Rue. That happens a lot.

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I'm kind of wondering whether you're including an error in all of your responses on purpose. It might be funny if you were, but on the other hand you don't seem to be joking. If that is your motivation, kudos on your dry wit.

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But it’s the same thing people do to Auraptor when they ridicule him for his point of view.

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More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

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More and more, the arguments on this board are rarely about understanding and debate, and more frequently about invalidating other people, personal attacks and fostering hate and divisiveness. And I’m just wondering if that’s really the direction we want to go.

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I've tried to get both of you to flesh out your viewpoints (Why do you think that? What about in this case? Where does it break down? Where does another consideration come in?) But I got nothing out of rapo, and all I got out of you was being called a "Nazi" for asking too many questions!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
People don't ridicule rapo for his POV. They ridicule him for his inability to describe or explain his POV, his ability to deny data that doesn't suit, and his amazing lack of logic.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Understanding and debate requires listening and thinking. I feel I've done more than my share of trying to understand both you and rapo. I've tried to get both of you to flesh out your viewpoints (Why do you think that? What about in thiscase? Where does it break down? Where does another consideration come in?) But I got nothing out of rapo, and all I got out of you was being called a "Nazi" for asking too many questions!

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

I never called you a Nazi for asking too many questions. I accused you of using Gestapo debating tactics to manipulate the argument, which you’re very good at. You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue, while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them. Such as you accusing me of wanting to murder or not caring about the murder of millions of people. This has never been my position. It’s simply the position that you assigned to me. I’m sure you do the same to auraptor.

But you’re not the only one. Is kwicko listening to a thing I’ve said in this thread? From the very first post that I made in this thread, he has completely ignored everything I’ve said. Kwicko takes the asshole approach of not listening. He’s a bit more Neanderthal about it. You take a more subtle, perhaps more sophisticated approach, but you still don’t listen to anything you don’t want to hear.

So these Auraptor threads that are popping up, are all about finding some way of invalidating Auraptor, and not listening to him. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look at people in this thread who disagree with Auraptor and see the hostile often very personal attitude they have towards him. Storymark came right out and said that he “genuinely dislikes” auraptor. For what??? What the hell does Storymark know about Auraptor apart from his point of view on this board? I’m sorry Signym, but these discussions are not about trying to understand Auraptor, they are about trying to invalidate him.

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No. People ridicule him because of his point of view. Because he is very vocal in not supporting the Left-leaning agenda, he is despised.

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I never called you a Nazi for asking too many questions. I accused you of using Gestapo debating tactics to manipulate the argument, which you’re very good at. You ask the same question over and over again, until you confuse the issue

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while simultaneous declaring the other parties opinion for them. Such as you accusing me of wanting to murder or not caring about the murder of millions of people. This has never been my position. It’s simply the position that you assigned to me.

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I’m sure you do the same to auraptor.

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So these Auraptor threads that are popping up, are all about finding some way of invalidating Auraptor, and not listening to him. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look at people in this thread who disagree with Auraptor and see the hostile often very personal attitude they have towards him. Storymark came right out and said that he “genuinely dislikes” auraptor. For what??? What the hell does Storymark know about Auraptor apart from his point of view on this board? I’m sorry Signym, but these discussions are not about trying to understand Auraptor, they are about trying to invalidate him.

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How is that a "gestapo" tactic? And, if I ask the same question over and over, how can it possibly "confuse" the topic? It seems that it should focus the dicusssion.

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People don't ridicule rapo for his POV. They ridicule him for his inability to describe or explain his POV, his ability to deny data that doesn't suit, and his amazing lack of logic.

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Originally posted by citizen:
He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

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Later, you complain that I state your opinion for you. Well, you've just stated everyone's here for THEM. And you're doing what rapo does: repeat the same argument over and over as if that means something. I'm willing to back up my contention with examples, are you? Come up with examples to make your point.

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How is that a "gestapo" tactic? And, if I ask the same question over and over, how can it possibly "confuse" the topic? It seems that it should focus the dicusssion.

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So speaking of declaring people's positions for them... You just declared mine for me. AND you got it wrong.

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But I'm glad that you brought it up. You've often said "Human life is sacred" You're willing to extend the definition of "human life" to an undifferentiated blob of cells, but if that life happens to belong to a criminal then his or her life is NOT sacred, because it's not human life that's sacred to you, but only INNOCENT human life. But then, even "innocent human" life is forfeit if its collateral damage to some other higher cause. So even innocent human life isn't "sacred" either, apparently, because "sacred" means of the highest worth.

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The sum total of your arguments is NOT that "human life is sacred" but that it is in fact expendable for certain goals that YOU think are more important.

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He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

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The definition of an asshole is attacking someone for typos.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The definition of an asshole is attacking someone for typos.

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I in fact DO explain my POV

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

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Exactly my point. In your mind, you have us all figured out. We don’t share your point of view, so we are delusional nutcases. This is your excuse for not listening. This is why you insist upon asking the same question over and over again. You expect to hear the answer you want to hear, and if we don’t give you that answer, it’s not because we have a different point of view – it’s because we are scary and delusional crazy people. You can’t see my reasoning on the issue of human life because you insist upon apply an unrealistically childish model of reality, one in which no difficult choices are ever made. And you do that, because as long as you can confine my point of view in your mind to some simplest model it was never intended for, then you can right me off as scary delusional monster who wants to see people murdered. You have it all figured out.

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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Originally posted by citizen:
He knows how he states his view and treats other people. He knows all the same things you know about Kwicko who you just called an "asshole". What do you know about Kiwcko except his opinion of politics that allows you to call him an "asshole"? Could it be that you're just displaying "ideological bigotry or fundamentalism"?

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The real idiots here, Kwikky & Citizensky, are so over the line in their relentless and un-warranted personal attacks of vulgarity and insanity, it's becoming like a virtual stinkin' cesspool of filth and mayhem in here. You won't see me around much Finn. Remember, the more they insult you, the better they feel. Best strategy is to ignore them. Nothing gets a psychotic bully madder than being ignored. But bravo to you if you want to contuinue to engage them.

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scroll up to a few of Kwicko's posts. If he walks like a duck...

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Originally posted by SignyM:
My problem with you guys (both of you) is that I feel that I understand your positions better than you do! I know your assumptions. I can see their logical extensions AND the contradiction they engender. I also know that you can't acknowledge some of your assumptions because of emotional reasons. The only thing I've learned from you is that there are scarily delusional people in the world.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The real idiots here, Kwikky & Citizensky, are so over the line in their relentless and un-warranted personal attacks of vulgarity and insanity, it's becoming like a virtual stinkin' cesspool of filth and mayhem in here. You won't see me around much Finn. Remember, the more they insult you, the better they feel. Best strategy is to ignore them. Nothing gets a psychotic bully madder than being ignored. But bravo to you if you want to contuinue to engage them.

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Oh sweet irony! The moral high road from someone who only ever insults people because he can't argue against what they say any other way!

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Thank you for agreeing with me.

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Exactly my point. In your mind, you have us all figured out. We don’t share your point of view, so we are delusional nutcases.

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This is your excuse for not listening. This is why you insist upon asking the same question over and over again. You expect to hear the answer you want to hear

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You can’t see my reasoning on the issue of human life because you insist upon apply an unrealistically childish model of reality, one in which no difficult choices are ever made.

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And you do that, because as long as you can confine my point of view in your mind to some simplest model it was never intended for, then you can right me off as scary delusional monster who wants to see people murdered.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Yeah, I agree that yer a fucking troll.

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