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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
This is behavior that has always existed on this board, but recently it seems to have become much worse.

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I don't see it worse than ever, I just see the reactions to it as worse. Can it be that the Obama win has saddened the more right-leaning Conservatives in these parts to the point of dispondence?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
liberals loons.

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This is what irritates me about you JSF, you purpose here is to label peeps with differing political ideologies, not to debate or argue specific concepts or issues, or even attack individuals for fun (which would at least be entertaining).
Wacky wingnut fun.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think, if that has anything to do with it, it has more likely emboldened the Liberal camp to be more aggressive in their attacks.

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Certainly it is not the "right-leaning" peeps that are "calling out" Auraptor.

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But I suspect it just has to do with the loss of community, because I don’t feel any love from my fellow browncoats.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.

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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
C'mon man, I went through three years on this board under the Bush Admin, and youse guys are gonna fold under 3 months of Obama? You REALLY felt more love from your fellow Browncoats in 2006 than now? I find that hard to believe.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve.

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PLEASE! It's way more entertaining than mindlessly handing out labels.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.

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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers

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To be fair, Mike, the snark could be a bit funnier, like Jong here.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It's true that the Bush bashing and political hatreds existed even then, but today it has become harder to overlook. As the enthusiasm for Firefly wanes it is replaced with snark and trolling to become more intense.

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JewelStaiteFan, Keep up the great work here! And DON'T EVER seriously engage them. Just mock and insult them as they justly deserve. You owe them nothing, no explanations, no debate. The more you and others stand up to them, the more they go nuts.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, I'm all about the snark, Chris. Those particular words were chosen and used because they were the EXACT words Finn used against me.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Glad you agree with me on this isall.

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You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?

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Only two kinds of money, yours and ours. You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It's true that the Bush bashing and political hatreds existed even then, but today it has become harder to overlook. As the enthusiasm for Firefly wanes it is replaced with snark and trolling to become more intense.

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In examining my own feelings here, I find myself lightening up noticeably on the political front, I'm more trying to have fun here (okay, sometimes VERY snarky fun) than anything else, and i can tell ya, it's because Bush & Cheney aren't strolling the Halls Of Power anymore, but I'd also feel pretty much the same way if McCain & Paleface had won.
I really think some of the bad 'tudes you perceive are just the ones during The Bush era turned around. When progressives were emotional about torture, it was fun to hear us cry. Now it's not the anti-Bush types crying, so it feels very different here to you, at least that's my take.
But there'll be plenty more to complain about in a justifiable manner concerning Obama's decisions & actions; the fun for Conservatives isn't all gone just yet.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either. How else do you explain invading and occupying Iraq, to the tune of what will end up costing us TRILLIONS of tax dollars, and for what?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Glad you agree with me on this isall.

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You have no reservations about redistributing my hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, right? And of course if they dropped out of school, or use drugs, or commit felonies, or gambled their life away recklessly etc, I'm to bail them out too, right?

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Oh, I have MOUNTAINS of reservations, Jong. I've seen peeps firsthand working the system to live a work-free life, high as a kite, and they get no willing support from me. But they also aren't the majority of recipients of assistance IMO. It's way more complicated that simple blacks & whites, and I totally disagree with bailing out the corps & peeps that financially effed us all too.
But then, this might turn into a serious discussion...I'm more about flingin' the felgercarb!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm a'wondrin' why you're supporting Obama/Pelosi's brand of one-world Soros-brand socialism. Not too consistent in positions there isall.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm a'wondrin' why you're supporting Obama/Pelosi's brand of one-world Soros-brand socialism. Not too consistent in positions there isall.

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In a choice between right-wing fascism & left-wing socialism, the latter will mostly always be preferable IMO, but the real issue here is that Obama is a Centrist, and the socialistic trappings have been with us for some time now, they're nothing new. If you want to label him an "American Socialist," I'd be fine with that, thought.
I just can't wait for "FESTIVAL!!!"


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.

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Originally posted by rue:


Probably 'cause the shoe is on the other foot. And it pinches a mite.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.

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Please explain. You are human; only humans can explain...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You win the entire internet, and everything in it!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The right-wing is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. The left-wing is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad.
Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your moderates are green!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Hey dumbass, you just took out my twin Alice lovebots!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Hey dumbass, you just took out my twin Alice lovebots!

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You wore them out anyway.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Well, now - that mystery now solved. Asshole and insufferable prick it is.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And you have no reservations about redistributing MY hard-earned money to those you feel haven't been given a break, either.

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Somehow I don't think your money is hard-earned.

Get a girlfriend loser.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Well, now - that mystery now solved. Asshole and insufferable prick it is.

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But recognising these things about yourself is the first step.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
3) I'd get a girlfriend, but that would probably upset my wife. Sunday is our 20th anniversary. Sorry you haven't found anybody yet. ;)

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1) I work hard for a living. I mean WORK. It's a lot of physical work, much lifting, much moving stuff around with forklift and pallet truck. Yes, I drive a forklift. Yes, I wear a hardhat on occasion.

2) I work my ass off 5, 6, or 7 days a week, as the need arises.

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3) I'd get a girlfriend, but that would probably upset my wife. Sunday is our 20th anniversary. Sorry you haven't found anybody yet. ;)

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4) There really should be a comma between "girlfriend" and "loser" - unless you're trying to tell me to get a loser girlfriend. And I have to reiterate, I think my wife would get mad.

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you're as stupid as that insufferable prick Finn.

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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Rue, the High Priestess of Landru Lawgivers

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To be fair, Mike, the snark could be a bit funnier, like Jong here.

The laughing Chrisisall

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I was in a hurry. Why don't you become an English teacher? You've got a grasp for proper English. It pays good, and you get the Summer off

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Obama is a centrist? Maybe he campaigned as one, but he certainly hasn't acted as one.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The hypocrisy is probably part of the problem. When Bush was in office, the world was always falling a part, the economy was always bad, the Iraq war was always an issue. Then Obama was elected and suddenly

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...torture is once again officially unacceptable, a date is set to withdraw from Iraq, official attitudes towards Cuba are relaxing, Gitmo is disappearing, we have a President that uses constructive language towards peeps of other cultures, our world cred has increased....no, it's not all the same excepting the recession, Finn.

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Wassa matter Finn? Nothing you can say to that? Thought you'd made a clever point there & hated to see it shot down?

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Do I win? And if so, what's my prize?

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Good, so instead of taking responsibility for our coercive interrogation techniques we’ll send people to countries that will do far, far worse, or we will use those techniques ourselves since there is no oversight.

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In fact, you should be kissing my ass right now because I thought enough of you to tell you off.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Umm. Ahhh. Errr. Hasisall stumbled upon a plateau of fairness and ambiguity?

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...ummmmm...what? You mean, in the next administration?? I'm not too clear on what you mean here.

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Well, I guess I'm fighting off my sly side right now to just say thanks.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Under Bush we did our own dirty work. We could regulate it; assure that methods that were more humane and more effective were used. We were moving towards a more open policy and finally moving towards legally defining what is acceptable and what is not.

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Under Obama, all that is lost. There will be no accountability, which means the Egyptians will do our dirty work for us or clandestine unofficial CIA teams will act with no guidance from the state.

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My problem with that is that any technique that an administration wants to use can be certified as effective, safe & legal in that way, no matter if it is or isn't.

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Is this your fortune-teller side speaking, or do you have an inside top guy at Langley that vows never to stop torturing as long as he is still breathing?
How can you say with certainty that this HAS to be the case?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don’t worship Obama like you do. I’m not naïve enough to simply say that because Obama is in office the second coming has occurred.

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You seem to think the whole world has changed, it has not. It’s the same one it was when Bush was in office.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, the pay is terrible. Here in Austin, an English teacher with ten years' experience gets paid less than $30,000 per year.

Anyone who goes into teaching for the money is an idiot. And anyone who goes into teaching for the summers off is going to get paid like someone who works nine months out of the year.

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Actually, the pay is terrible. Here in Austin, an English teacher with ten years' experience gets paid less than $30,000 per year.

Anyone who goes into teaching for the money is an idiot. And anyone who goes into teaching for the summers off is going to get paid like someone who works nine months out of the year.

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Less than $30,000 after 10 years? In Austin that could barely keep you afloat. That's horrible.
10 years experience in Grand Rapids will earn you about $38,000. Not bad at all.

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TEXAS RANKS 29TH IN THE NATION FOR TEACHER PAY

Texas ranked 29th in the nation for its average teacher salary in 2006-07, according to the American Federation of Teachers' (AFT) Survey and Analysis of Teacher Salary Trends 2007.

The average teacher salary in Texas for teh 2006-07 school year was $45,392. Texas was ranked 10th in the nation for beginning teacher salaries at $38,522.

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