I give up- Bush was an okay dude after all. by chrisisall

And again....I am alone in this opinion it seems.

It takes a special kind of vision to buck popular trends.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:02 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Well, it takes a special kind of something to back Bush, at least. Even 'Rappy the Wonder Dog has been backing away from Bush lately like he farted in church.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:06 AM

Wait... if 'Rapo doesn't like Bush anymore, this sets up a paradox in my subroutine- I am bound to be diametrically opposed to AU's take on things, yet I am anti-lemming in principal....

NORMAN COORDINATE!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:16 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I look at the 90% approval after 9/11 and feel very sad that we couldn't accomplish anything productive with it, but rather proverbially pissed it away.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wait... if 'Rapo doesn't like Bush anymore, this sets up a paradox in my subroutine- I am bound to be diametrically opposed to AU's take on things, yet I am anti-lemming in principal....

NORMAN COORDINATE!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

You rang sir?

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:29 AM

You rang sir?

I am not programmed to respond in that area.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:31 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I am anti-lemming in principal....

" Now, Chris, if all your friends' mothers told them NOT to jump off a cliff, would you go ahead and do it, just to be different?"

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:33 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

" Now, Chris, if all your friends' mothers told them NOT to jump off a cliff, would you go ahead and do it, just to be different?"

Actually...yes.
And I have, btw.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:35 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I guess we all know how to control Chris like a Robot. ;-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:35 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

You rang sir?

I am not programmed to respond in that area.

The laughing Chrisisall

Well laddy, you better see to that!

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:45 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I guess we all know how to control Chris like a Robot. ;-)

"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered!"

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:48 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

If I've told you twice, I've told you six times... you are our prisoner, now.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:53 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Incidentally, one of my faves:

"In time, most of us join the enemy - against ourselves."

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:12 AM

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:27 AM

I am not a prisoner; I am a FREE MAN!!!

By the way, who is Number One?

Mike

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I look at the 90% approval after 9/11 and feel very sad that we couldn't accomplish anything productive with it, but rather proverbially pissed it away.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

What breaks my heart is that I was part of that 90%. And I'd have thought it was closer to 99% at the time.

Note that the graph cuts off in early '08 - it doesn't show the long slide down to the 18-22% range that Bush achieved by last summer.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 AM

And at the same time that Bush sank, Pelosi's Clown Congress hit a new historic low of 9% approval rating.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:08 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... Pelosi's Clown Congress hit a new historic low of 9% approval rating."

So, Pelsoi ran ALL of congress ? Wow. I'm sure she'd be glad to find that out !

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"... Pelosi's Clown Congress hit a new historic low of 9% approval rating."

So, Pelsoi ran all of congress ? Wow. I'm sure she'd be glad to find that out !

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Correction, Pelosi-Reid Clown Congress. She only represented 81% of the total clowns. But the fact remains, Democrat-controlled Congress did sink in approval ratings lower than Bush.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:33 AM

America loves a winner!

I've voiced major disagreements w/ Bush over lots of issues, but on balance, and knowing what we now know, I'd much - MUCH rather have Bush over Gore or Kerry.

No contest.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:34 AM

BYTEMITE

I still don't think Bush was to blame for his administration. I think he's the frat boy who never grew up and who faked having gotten religion.

I can't really blame him if he didn't seem to understand what's going on. Most Americans don't understand politics or the economy either, and are happy letting other people dictate them.

Most Americans need a wake up call, but I don't hate them. Therefore, I don't hate Bush.

However, I do think Cheney may be pure evil, concentrated and incarnate.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:38 AM

America loves a winner!

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However, I do think Cheney may be pure evil, concentrated and incarnate.

Based on what ? I think Cheney is awesome, and I'm not kidding. He's rock solid in his views and a damn smart man. In all seriousness, I see where folks could get annoyed at W, but Cheney ? I don't get it. What's so "evil" about him?

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:44 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"But the fact remains, Democrat-controlled Congress did sink in approval ratings lower than Bush."

"9% of Americans polled feel that Congress (House and Senate, Democrat, Independent, and Republican) are doing a good or excellent job."

Your friends don't skate away on this one.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"But the fact remains, Democrat-controlled Congress did sink in approval ratings lower than Bush."

"9% of Americans polled feel that Congress (House and Senate, Democrat, Independent, and Republican) are doing a good or excellent job."

Your friends don't skate away on this one.

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Agreed, but I never said that they did. Pelosi wasted 2 years in her hopeless one-sided partisan efforts against the "so-called brainless" Bush Admin and got zilch. Now, with Obama, she's running amok in my opinion. Funny thing, Congress' approval ratings recently soared back up when she was out of the country.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:03 AM

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Based on what ? I think Cheney is awesome, and I'm not kidding.

I'd say that I'm through taking you at all seriously for that, but I said it already.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:06 AM

BYTEMITE

@AURaptor: Mostly he just plain scares the bejeesus out of me. It's probably self-preservation: I think if we ever met, he'd shoot me. Either that, or his super power is intimidating anyone who leans left, because he seems to give off anti-liberal death vibes.

Although the profits Halliburton has made in the Middle East since the two invasions of the Bush Administration I also find worrisome, since he has connections with Halliburton. And I really question the role our government had in the Iran Contra Affair...

Finally, he's very secretive, which makes me not overly inclined to trust him.

There's a lot of politicians who I don't trust, mind, including Hillary Clinton and Obama (trust needs to be earned, and so far I haven't seen any damn change I can believe in), but he's the only one who I would run away from if I ever saw him.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:10 AM

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he seems to give off anti-liberal death vibes.

This is the only part AU might give you- the rest will be called "sad little lies from a sad little lefty," or some such. Don't even bother, B.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd much - MUCH rather have Bush over Gore or Kerry.

And I'd much - MUCH rather follow Khan over Spock or Matt Decker.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:20 AM

BYTEMITE

I dunno, I'm not really accusing Cheney of anything, it's just the feeling I have about him.

Evil incarnate is probably a little strong, but it's hard for me to be objective about a guy who would most likely kill me if we ever met.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:24 AM

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it's just the feeling I have about him.

I had that same feeling about O.J., but hey, it's all about what you can PROVE, is it not??

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:26 AM

Cheney's still running around shooting his stupid mouth off. He's defending torture (aka coerced interrogation) as if there were/are no other options. I think he's delusional, and I think he's going to be tried for crimes many are accusing him of. He'd be much better off if he just stfu.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:28 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Shooting your friend in a hunting accident and making HIM apologize ... that gives me the creeps. Who DOES that kind of thing ?

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:29 AM

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I think he's going to be tried for crimes many are accusing him of.

No way, peeps with connections on whatever political leaning get multiple Get-out-of-deep-shit-free cards as perks to the jobs.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:08 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Based on what ? I think Cheney is awesome, and I'm not kidding.
I'd say that I'm through taking you at all seriously for that, but I said it already.

The laughing Chrisisall

Demonize someone on the Right, and call them Hitler, racist, homophobe, hate monger, etc...

When anyone asks " why ? " , demonize THAT person, and repeat.

Being a Liberal means never EVER having to explain yourself. To ANYone.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Demonize someone on the Right, and call them Hitler, racist, homophobe, hate monger, etc...

I would demonize demons, dummy.

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When anyone asks " why ? " , demonize THAT person, and repeat.

I don't demonize you, I MARGINALIZE you- there's a difference.

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Being a Liberal means never EVER having to explain yourself. To ANYone.

Being a NeoCon means never EVER having to listen. To ANYone.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:27 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Being a NeoCon means never EVER having to listen. To ANYone.

The laughing Chrisisall

I asked a legit question, and you didn't answer. Your reply ? You demonized, marginalized, mocked me. Why? Don't rightly know or care. All I know is it's absurd for you to say anyone doesn't listen when you're not SAYING anything of value or substance in the first place.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I asked a legit question, and you didn't answer. Your reply ? You demonized, marginalized, mocked me.

I did not demonize you.

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it's absurd for you to say anyone doesn't listen when you're not SAYING anything of value or substance in the first place.

Learned my lesson with ya boy- never sweat an answer with AURaptor, it's a waste of time.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:26 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've voiced major disagreements w/ Bush over lots of issues, but on balance, and knowing what we now know, I'd much - MUCH rather have Bush over Gore or Kerry.

No contest.

I've voice major disagreements w/ Bush over lots of issues, but on balance, and knowing what we now know, I'd much - MUCH rather have had Gore or Kerry over Bush.

No contest.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:28 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"But the fact remains, Democrat-controlled Congress did sink in approval ratings lower than Bush."

"9% of Americans polled feel that Congress (House and Senate, Democrat, Independent, and Republican) are doing a good or excellent job."

Your friends don't skate away on this one.

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Agreed, but I never said that they did. Pelosi wasted 2 years in her hopeless one-sided partisan efforts against the "so-called brainless" Bush Admin and got zilch. Now, with Obama, she's running amok in my opinion. Funny thing, Congress' approval ratings recently soared back up when she was out of the country.

Well, it's certainly true that *I* approved of Congress more when Pelosi was out of the country...

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:40 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I never even noticed that she was. When was that ?

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:43 PM

America loves a winner!

and still not one legitimate derogatory thing against Cheney.

Huh.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:44 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

You mean besides being drunk, shooting his friend in the face, and making his friend apologize for it ?

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:30 PM

America loves a winner!

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You mean besides being drunk, shooting his friend in the face, and making his friend apologize for it ?

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Drunk ( allegedly ) , being involved in a hunting accident in which his friend was or was not out of position? Gee, yeah. I see why now the Left was calling him 'satan' , even before the accident. That explains it all.

Oh, wait....no it doesn't. That doesn't explain anything.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:32 PM

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Well, it's certainly true that *I* approved of Congress more when Pelosi was out of the country...

Seems most folk on both sides did.

Next time, how bout we send her to mars!

-F

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:35 PM

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That explains it all.

Oh, wait....no it doesn't. That doesn't explain anything.

Lying, fabricating & cherry-picking intel to have their little war, assassination squads, fascist media control, contempt for the Constitution....hell, forget all that- how about for intentionally creating a profit windfall for him & his pals using American BLOOD???

Oh, but none of that's true, right 'Rap?

See. That's why I seldom do this anymore...but I had a free moment.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:40 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That explains it all.

Oh, wait....no it doesn't. That doesn't explain anything.

Lying, fabricating & cherry-picking intel to have their little war, assassination squads, fascist media control, contempt for the Constitution....hell, forget all that- how about for intentionally creating a profit windfall for him & his pals using American BLOOD???

Oh, but none of that's true, right 'Rap?

See. That's why I seldom do this anymore...but I had a free moment.

The laughing Chrisisall

Where ? Where is your evidence Cheney did ANY of this ?

And, as if by divine fiat, ....
Romancing the Jihad

Why are so many on the Left enamored with Islamism?

By Clifford D. May

Ask those on the Left what values they champion, and they will say equality, tolerance, women’s rights, gay rights, workers’ rights, and human rights. Militant Islamists oppose all that, not infrequently through the application of lethal force. So how does one explain the burgeoning Left-Islamist alliance?

I know: There are principled individuals on the Left who do not condone terrorism or minimize the Islamist threat. The author Paul Berman, unambiguously and unashamedly a man of the Left, has been more incisive on these issues than just about anyone else. Left-of-center publications such as The New Republic have not been apologists for radical jihadists.

But The Nation has been soft on Islamism for decades. Back in 1979, editorial-board member Richard Falk welcomed the Iranian revolution, saying it “may yet provide us with a desperately-needed model of humane governance for a third-world country.” Immediately after Sept. 11, 2001, longtime Nation contributor Robert Fisk complained that “terrorism” is a “racist” term.

It is no exaggeration to call groups such as MoveOn.org pro-appeasement. Further left on the political spectrum, the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition sympathizes with both Islamists and the Stalinist regime in North Korea — which is in league with Islamist Iran and its client state, Syria. Meanwhile, Hugo Chávez, the Bolivarian-socialist Venezuelan strongman, is developing a strategic alliance with Iran’s ruling mullahs and with Hezbollah, Iran’s terrorist proxy.

In a new book, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror, Jamie Glazov takes a hard look at this unholy alliance. A historian by training, Glazov is the son of dissidents who fled the Soviet Union only to find that, on American campuses, they were not welcomed by the liberal/Left lumpen professoriate.

Glazov’s book indicts artists and intellectuals of the Left — e.g. George Bernard Shaw, Bertolt Brecht, and Susan Sontag — for having “venerated mass murderers such as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and Ho Chi Minh, habitually excusing their atrocities while blaming Americans and even the victims for their crimes.”

Following the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Left spent several years wandering in the wilderness. Many of them, Glazov suggests, looked upon the terrorist attacks of 9/11 less as an atrocity than as an opportunity to revive a moribund revolutionary movement.

Jimmy Carter, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Ramsey Clark, Lynne Stewart, and Stanley Cohen are among the luminaries of the Left Glazov accuses of having found common ground with Islamists.

He notes that the novelist Norman Mailer called the 9/11 hijackers “brilliant” and their terrorism “understandable” because “everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel which consequently had to be destroyed.”

Dario Fo, the Italian Marxist who won the 1997 Nobel Prize for literature, said that Wall Street speculators “wallow in an economy that every year kills tens of millions of people with poverty, so what is twenty thousand dead in New York?” Similarly, media mogul Ted Turner called the 9/11 terrorists “brave,” adding that “the reason that the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in poverty out there who don’t have any hope for a better life.” The German composer Karlheinz Stockhausen called 9/11 “the greatest work of art for the whole cosmos.”

And then there is Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, a.k.a. Carlos the Jackal, who in 2003, from his prison cell, published a book called Revolutionary Islam that urged “all revolutionaries, including those of the left, even atheists,” to accept the leadership of militant jihadists, Osama bin Laden key among them. His reasoning: “Only a coalition of Marxists and Islamists can destroy the United States.”

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Glazov quotes the British lawmaker, George Galloway, elaborating on the rationale for this coalition. “Not only do I think [a Muslim-leftist alliance is] possible, but I think it is vitally necessary and I think it is happening already,” Galloway said. “It is possible because the progressive movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies. Their enemies are the Zionist occupation, American occupation, British occupation of poor countries, mainly Muslim countries. They have the same interest in opposing savage capitalist globalization, which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world, turning us basically into factory chickens which can be force-fed the American diet of everything from food to Coca-Cola to movies and TV culture and whose only role in life is to consume the things produced endlessly by the multinational corporations.”

#ad#There also is an older tradition to build on. In the 1970s, the Red Army Faction — West German Marxist terrorists also known as the Baader-Meinhof gang — went to Jordan to train with the Palestine Liberation Organization. And in 1979, the success of the Islamist Revolution in Iran depended, in large measure, on the support given by the Iranian Left to the Ayatollah Khomeini. Once firmly in power, the clerical regime repaid its leftist enablers with executions, assassinations, and prison sentences. Evidently, no lessons were learned.

Glazov concludes that the Left’s “romance with Islamism is just a logical continuation of the long leftist tradition of worshipping America’s foes. . . . The Left clearly continues to be inspired by its undying Marxist conviction that capitalism is evil and that forces of revolution are rising to overthrow it — and must be supported.” On that basis, militant Islamism is regarded as a “valiant form of ‘resistance’ against American imperialism and oppression.”

If such values as equality, tolerance, and human rights are crushed in the process, that’s a price many on the Left are willing to pay. Those on the Left who disagree should perhaps speak up more loudly and more often.

— Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:49 PM

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The Left clearly continues to be inspired by its undying Marxist conviction that capitalism is evil and that forces of revolution are rising to overthrow it — and must be supported.” On that basis, militant Islamism is regarded as a “valiant form of ‘resistance’ against American imperialism and oppression.”

If such values as equality, tolerance, and human rights are crushed in the process, that’s a price many on the Left are willing to pay.

This describes a loony fringe portion of the left, not me & not my friends on the left.
You know the type, 'Rap- pushing agenda above individuals.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:51 PM

America loves a winner!

This describes you and your America hating friends who want to blame Bush for stuff that wouldn't even make the 1st round of FEAR FACTOR into 'torture' a crime , when all we're trying to do is defeat evil.

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:57 PM