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Can we ban Whozit from the board?

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You must really hate your handle. Tell me --- WHY did you pick it for yourself, again, Zit ?

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This makes us better than, above those who saw heads off of 'non believers' by light years. Those who don't agree w/ me are wrong.

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And here you are, back again, all mean and petty and spiteful. I musta' hit paydirt.

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Can we ban Whozit from the board?

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Problem is, though Jack Bauer makes it look cool, all torture really does is establish a precedence for false confessions.

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Can we ban Whozit from the board?

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Nah. Free speech ain't free- and Whozit's the price tag.


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I wholly and fully support the use of water boarding terrorist to find out what they know of more possible attacks, targets, anything to save lives.

This makes us better than, above those who saw heads off of 'non believers' by light years. Those who don't agree w/ me are wrong.

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No waterboarding
No sleep deprivation
No Barry Manilow music
No nudity
No stress postions

We should never have done any of those things, even under the direct authority of the President.

We MUST be the country that does not do those things. Lately, it offends me even to think about it. We are better than that. It's that simple.

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I wholly and fully support the use of water boarding terrorist to find out what they know of more possible attacks, targets, anything to save lives.

This makes us better than, above those who saw heads off of 'non believers' by light years. Those who don't agree w/ me are wrong.

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Better than them by a bit, but some of us still are not willing to seel our the principles of this nation because we're terrified little chickenhawks scared of anyone in a turban.

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No waterboarding
No sleep deprivation
No Barry Manilow music
No nudity
No stress postions

We should never have done any of those things, even under the direct authority of the President.

We MUST be the country that does not do those things. Lately, it offends me even to think about it. We are better than that. It's that simple.

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Thanks, Jongs. We've found a rare nugget of agreement. The question is, can we build on it, or will we go back to the way of tooth, fang, and claw?

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Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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I wholly and fully support the use of water boarding terrorist to find out what they know of more possible attacks, targets, anything to save lives.

This makes us better than, above those who saw heads off of 'non believers' by light years. Those who don't agree w/ me are wrong.

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Better than them by a bit, but some of us still are not willing to seel our the principles of this nation because we're terrified little chickenhawks scared of anyone in a turban.

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But saving innocent lives from blood thirsty islamo Nazi terrorists IS what are our ideals are all about! It has zero to do with anyone's head gear, and has everything to do with liberty, freedom, and not cowering down to pure evil.

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We are the civilized ones, and it's not even close. Torture, as you describe it, worked well enough to stop another attack in L.A.

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We are the civilized ones, and it's not even close. Torture, as you describe it, worked well enough to stop another attack in L.A.

But saving them pansy assed Libs in Hollyweird isn't that important, now is it?

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So, you equate nekked terrorists to jews in nazi camps?

Huh.


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Most were not "terrorists". There are documented cases of people mistakenly picked up and tortured. oops

And I wish you were one of them.

That way you could come back and tell us first-hand what a joyride it was.

Once of the things I realized about the old patriots... the founding fathers, the winter soldiers... was that they sacrificed themselves for freedom and democracy. But you? You're too chicken sh*t to even tolerate being afraid. But I noticed you're very good at throwing others into the maw.

Doesn't say much good about you or your brand of patriotism, does it?

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Not that. What I'm saying is that rappy is so chicken-sh*t that even the thought of terrorism... and the fear that it induces in him... is enough to make him willing to toss other people's rights away. He can't even sacrifice his "peace of mind".

Yanno, I live in a big city. It contains the symbol of American's cultural imperialism, widely seen as a purveyor of corruption. Nuclear plants just south. THE major western port city. Porous border. A nice big, fat, juicy target which is very difficult to secure. If anyone should be afraid of a terrorist strike it should be me. And I'm fully aware of the risk. 9-11 didn't surprise me in the least. Terrorists have not gone away, and even a resurgent Russia might find it useful to slip a suitcase nuke or dirty bomb into the hands of suicide nutcase.

And even THAT thought is not about to make me go Jack Bauer. Am I nervous about a terrorist atack? SURE. It's always a possibility. Do I support abrogating our civil rights in response? NO, I DO NOT.

Rappy need to grow a f*cking spine.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
No waterboarding
No sleep deprivation
No Barry Manilow music
No nudity
No stress postions

We should never have done any of those things, even under the direct authority of the President.

We MUST be the country that does not do those things. Lately, it offends me even to think about it. We are better than that. It's that simple.

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In my book, the ends never justify the means. If we sink to their tactics, no matter the excuse, how are we better than them?
The abuses at Abu Grahib were beyond anything I could have imagined we as Americans could do. Nudity, sex, stress positions, personal degradement, etc. are just pure demented sadism.

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I have been aware of the threats around us for decades. The bombing in Kenya, the Cole, the warning about three weeks before 9-11 that "chatter" had raised the perceived risk of American interests abroad... and nothing between "us" and "them" except 3000 miles of empty ocean? Geographical isolation is not a protection in this day-and-age! I can imagine all kinds of horrific scenarios. I was just relieved that 9-11 was not worse.

So I'm not a "fuzzy headed liberal" who thinks that if we just sit around singing Kumbaya everything will be OK. But you're right- I won't change rappy's mind by name-calling.




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In my book, the ends never justify the means. If we sink to their tactics, no matter the excuse, how are we better than them?
The abuses at Abu Grahib were beyond anything I could have imagined we as Americans could do. Nudity, sex, stress positions, personal degradement, etc. are just pure demented sadism.

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No waterboarding
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No Barry Manilow music
No nudity
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We should never have done any of those things, even under the direct authority of the President.

We MUST be the country that does not do those things. Lately, it offends me even to think about it. We are better than that. It's that simple.

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Of the methods you mention, the only one that comes close to torture is "stress positions". Strip searches are common in American prisons, it's strange that you would want terrorists treated better than American citizens. I'm surprised your list didn't include depriving prisoners of Ritz Carlton room service.

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Since when?

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You've always been among my favourite Conservative voices here; you attempt & succeed at actual reason more than most.

Wait. I'm supposed to be a left-loon...I take it back; you're a coward & a piss pot!!!


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Nope. But comparing a jail cell strip search to the growling German Sheppard/Doberman Pincher naked pyramid homo-erotic displays directed by who knows (CIA, Waffen SS) we saw under our ownership was disgusting, vile, and perverted. Are we a nation of demented sadists who delight at the humiliation of our enemies?

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But saving innocent lives from blood thirsty islamo Nazi terrorists IS what are our ideals are all about! It has zero to do with anyone's head gear, and has everything to do with liberty, freedom, and not cowering down to pure evil.

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You disgust me, you vile inhuman, inhumane sicko pro-authoritarian sub-neanderthal biped. If I saw you in real life, I would certainly break your neck.

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You disgust me, you vile inhuman, inhumane sicko pro-authoritarian sub-neanderthal biped. If I saw you in real life, I would certainly break your neck.

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Obviously, you're not applying for the position of Poster Boy for the Rule of Law. Bet you'd like to waterboard Bush, too.

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