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Published: April 22, 2009 - 9:05 PM

This is real torture:

The Sheikh begins by stuffing sand down the man's mouth, as the police officers restrains the victim.

Then he fires bullets from an automatic rifle around him as the man howls incomprehensibly.

At another point on the tape, the Sheikh can be seen telling the cameraman to come closer.

"Get closer. Get closer. Get closer. Let his suffering show," the Sheikh says.

Over the course of the tape, Sheikh Issa acts in an increasingly sadistic manner.

He uses an electric cattle prod against the man's testicles and inserts it in his anus.

At another point, as the man wails in pain, the Sheikh pours lighter fluid on the man's testicles and sets them aflame.

Then the tape shows the Sheikh sorting through some wooden planks. "I remember there was one that had a nail in it," he says on the tape.

The Sheikh then pulls down the pants of the victim and repeatedly strikes him with board and its protruding nail. At one point, he puts the nail next to the man's buttocks and bangs it through the flesh.

"Where's the salt," asks the Sheikh as he pours a large container of salt on to the man's bleeding wounds.

The victim pleads for mercy, to no avail.

The final scene on the tape shows the Sheikh positioning his victim on the desert sand and then driving over him repeatedly. A sound of breaking bones can be heard on the tape.

What you read above is real torture.

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The final scene on the tape shows the Sheikh positioning his victim on the desert sand and then driving over him repeatedly. A sound of breaking bones can be heard on the tape.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That is pretty damned horrific.

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Nabulsi says officials at the U.S. Embassy in Abu Dhabi were aware of the torture tapes but took no action to protest the Sheikh's action. The UAE is considered a stalwart U.S. ally in the region, with close cooperation in working against al Qaeda. The U.S. Navy has an important base outside Dubai. Nabulsi says he even showed portions of the tape to a Department of Homeland Security official stationed in Abu Dhabi to train UAE police, Bill Wallrap. Nabulsi says after the U.S. official watched the tapes, he advised Nabulsi to "gather your family and get out of the country as soon as possible for your own safety."

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Maybe those rumors about ISLAM and VIOLENCE have an element of truth to them.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Meh. THAT'S not REAL torture, try the 1-inch per minute lowering into the industrial meat grinder thing- THAT'S torture!

That was sarcasm, btw. Just because one torture can always be topped by another, doesn't make the lesser one something else, just a different level.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Meh. THAT'S not REAL torture, try the 1-inch per minute lowering into the industrial meat grinder thing- THAT'S torture!

That was sarcasm, btw. Just because one torture can always be topped by another, doesn't make the lesser one something else, just a different level.

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and your outrage at the greater torture is where?

Guess as long as you can make a joke, it's not too bad.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Is Islam violent?

I dunno. Is Xtianity?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The Crusades? The Inquisition? Witch hunts? The 100-Years War? The Holocaust? The Troubles in Ireland? Hello? Ring any bells?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh, so something happened 100's of yrs ago, you hold that as the measure by which to compare things which are happening today. Of the list you gave, only the 'troubles ' in Ireland come close, and that still isn't the same as what the Islamo whackos are doing.

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The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) , led by Joseph Kony, operated in the north from bases in southern Sudan. The LRA committed numerous abuses and atrocities, including the abduction, rape, maiming, and killing of civilians, including children. In addition to destabilising northern Uganda from bases in Sudan, the LRA congregated in the Bunia area in eastern Congo. They linked up with the Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR) and other rebel groups battling with forces from the Rally for Congolese Democracy (RCD)

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Originally posted by Geezer:
and your outrage at the greater torture is where?

Guess as long as you can make a joke, it's not too bad.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Ignoring primary points and sinking into an insult fest is a sole trait of the left, not so much the right.

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and your outrage at the greater torture is where?

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Originally posted by Chrisisall:
Sick fucks.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Jayne wrote...


I think SignyM might be show sympathies for muslim extremists (once again)

Please stop with the self mutilation,
rosie o'donnell is not cool
and nirvana died in the 90s

If you have a couple of Islams in the family and you need to defend these people out of misguided loyalties I suppose that might be understandable

but the whole emo, anti-american, extreme left, nirvana junk needs to get old fast

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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In another bold move, when Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) asked asked Clinton about former Vice President Dick Cheney's effort to declassify documents he says prove the "success" of harsh interrogation techniques, Madame Secretary had this zinger:

Well, it will not surprise you that I do not consider him a particularly reliable source of information.

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and your outrage at the greater torture is where?

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Originally posted by Chrisisall:
Sick fucks.

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Did you miss it? Do I usually use that language?
I watched the video, and vile animals like that need to be erased, EVEN *IF* THE VICTIM DESERVED IT FOR SOMETHING HE MIGHT HAVE DONE TO THEM.
Yes, it's a different level of shit than Abu Gharib, is THAT what you wanted to hear? It makes me 100X, no, 1000X as outraged, because it was WORSE!!!!!
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Dodging questions asked

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, you seem to think it's perfectly okay to sidestep difficult questions. I thought maybe you'd give her the same leeway.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Dodging questions asked

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So, I ask YOU to come up with the questions that YOU feel have been dodged. (I wouldn't be surprised if you dodged this one, too. 'Cause you've been dodging a lot of 'em lately!)

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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Clearly, I'm taking on all serious and relevant questions.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
First of all, Kwicko's post wasn't a question it was a statement. You might want to review the meaning of punctuation marks. esp the difference between a period and a question mark. Secondly, I noticed that you've evaded MY question.

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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.

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it's a false analogy to anything of significance

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I'm not falling for the clever attempt to be drawn into even discussing it.

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This folks, is EXACTLY how I see most of you. Dodging questions asked, and instead, replying w/ a snide, pointless and baseless quip.

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Kwickie has been asking me a lame ass question for a while now...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm not falling for the clever attempt to be drawn into even discussing it.

I'll ask you to restate the question, please.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
EH, rappy, are yu dodging my questions again? Cause that would be pretty ironic, given your latest snark about the left dodging questions- wouldn't you say?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you accept Iran's "right" to torture or "harshly interrogate" American citizens? Why or why not? (Hint: "Because they're them and we're us" is not an answer!)

It's not an irrelevant question; it may be one that you don't WANT to answer, but it's not one that you shouldn't think about and address, because we are exceedingly likely to be facing this scenario, sooner rather than later.

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