What idiot is responsible for this? by Kwicko

What I want to know is, who thought up a stunt like this and DIDN'T think it would cause any concern, if not outright panic?

I get that they wanted a good photo op with AF1 flying around the Statue of Liberty. What I don't get is how anyone could be so bone-headed about how they went about it, and didn't bother to alert much of anyone, especially the general public.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 1:55 PM

CHRISISALL

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And yes, stupidity on that level IS a firing offense.

Totally.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, April 27, 2009 2:15 PM

America loves a winner!

The IDIOT is sitting in the White House. Yep. None other than our dear and fluffy leader, that's who.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 2:48 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The IDIOT is sitting in the White House. Yep. None other than our dear and fluffy leader, that's who.

Louis Caldera is our dear and fluffy leader? Was there a coup? Has Alexander Haig been notified?

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White House Military Office Director Louis Caldera apologized for any panic caused by a flight mission and photo op that looked like Air Force One and fighter jets heading toward the New York City skyline Monday morning.

Caldera said he approved the mission last week and that federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey.

Time to take out the trash. Adios, Louis, and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out!

ETA: Even the ever-liberal MSNBC and Keith Olbermann are calling for Caldera's job now. Countdown just named Caldera today's "Worst Person In The World" and called for his immediate resignation. Gotta say I agree wholeheartedly, and on this one, even those on the right might agree with Keith!

Mike

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Monday, April 27, 2009 3:00 PM

America loves a winner!

It's called falling on one's sword.

Remember ?

There's no shame in this...

in a man's death.
A man who has done fine works.

We're making a better world.

All of them...

better worlds.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 4:01 PM

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It's called falling on one's sword.

Remember ?

So you think he'll get a Congressional Medal of Freedom, like George Tenet did?

Didn't Tenet "fall on his sword" when Bush invaded Iraq?

Mike

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Monday, April 27, 2009 11:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The IDIOT is sitting in the White House. Yep. None other than our dear and fluffy leader, that's who.

Clearly, after viewing all who posted in this thread, only one would nail the answer.

And, again, the only bird designated Air Force One is the one POTUS is currently on, whether a 747-400SP or a single engine Piper Cub, or glider for that matter. Whirly birds with POTUS are Marine One. Obamination was not aboard this plane.

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Monday, April 27, 2009 11:49 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So you think he'll get a Congressional Medal of Freedom, like George Tenet did?

Didn't Tenet "fall on his sword" when Bush invaded Iraq?

Mike

Bush screwed up, so we can't call anything else a screw up when it takes place?

Tenet ? Nice attempt to distract from the story which has a jumbo jet liner and a fighter jet buzzing NYC. I was glad to see John Stewart not only report this story, but actually got visibly upset ( as well as he's capable ).

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:49 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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There were a lot of people all along the chain from the first person who had the idea for the shoot, to the photographer, to the FAA, the cops, a lot of people knew about it and none of them pointed out the possibility of it freaking people out. There's no One person to blame - it's group unthink, "I thought they were going to notify the Mayor..." "I thought they were going to be flying Real High outta sight, ya know, it's a freaking jet!" A whole bunch of people didn't get this right.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

So you think he'll get a Congressional Medal of Freedom, like George Tenet did?

Didn't Tenet "fall on his sword" when Bush invaded Iraq?

Mike

Bush screwed up, so we can't call anything else a screw up when it takes place?

Tenet ? Nice attempt to distract from the story which has a jumbo jet liner and a fighter jet buzzing NYC. I was glad to see John Stewart not only report this story, but actually got visibly upset ( as well as he's capable ).

RE: Missing the point entirely.

Yes, BUSH screwed up. It's a bit refreshing that you can finally admit that, although it comes about 8 years too late... And yes, we absolutely CAN call a screw-up when it happens - as I did here, even before you posted about it.

I mentioned Tenet as illustrative. You have always been willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt - when screw-ups happened on his watch, it was ALWAYS someone else's fault (if you could find it in your tiny little lizard brain to admit that there even WAS a screw-up). However, you've NEVER extended that same benefit of the doubt to Obama - and I suspect that's for no reason other than his party affiliation.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:53 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
There were a lot of people all along the chain from the first person who had the idea for the shoot, to the photographer, to the FAA, the cops, a lot of people knew about it and none of them pointed out the possibility of it freaking people out. There's no One person to blame - it's group unthink, "I thought they were going to notify the Mayor..." "I thought they were going to be flying Real High outta sight, ya know, it's a freaking jet!" A whole bunch of people didn't get this right.

You're right, but at the end of the day, you're going to find one guy whose idea this was, and who pushed it through. If there WAS any opposition, or anyone trying to speak reason to idiocy, they got steamrollered. Find that guy who pushed it and overran any opposition, and shitcan him, right now, today.

Mike

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:10 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yes, BUSH screwed up.

Wait...how did Bush have anything to do with this photo op?

I know Obama is President and all...but doesn't this sort of blunder have Joe Biden written all over it. Obama makes huge policy and protocol mistakes. This is a blunder of stupid foot-in-mouth proportions and that is the Vice President's area of expertise.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:03 AM

Rappy, be sure to tell us all how 9/11 was all on Bush, okay? After all, if this fuck-up is Obama's, then every single thing that went wrong between January 20, 2001 and January 20, 2009 is on Bush. Right?

9/11. Katrina. Abu Ghraib. Guantanamo. Iraq. The housing crash. The economic collapse. All of that squarely on Bush's shoulders. Every single little thing that the White House had ANY part of, it all goes straight back to Bush, right?

Mike

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:05 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Wait...how did Bush have anything to do with this photo op?

Hero, the adults are talking. Try to keep up. I know these concepts of equality under the law are really difficult for you to grasp, but DO try.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:22 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

RE: Missing the point entirely.

Yes, BUSH screwed up. It's a bit refreshing that you can finally admit that, although it comes about 8 years too late... And yes, we absolutely CAN call a screw-up when it happens - as I did here, even before you posted about it.

I mentioned Tenet as illustrative. You have always been willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt - when screw-ups happened on his watch, it was ALWAYS someone else's fault (if you could find it in your tiny little lizard brain to admit that there even WAS a screw-up). However, you've NEVER extended that same benefit of the doubt to Obama - and I suspect that's for no reason other than his party affiliation.

Mike

Obama screws up 10x's more than Bush ever did, and so far it's only taken 100 days. Such benefits are EARNED, not given. So far, Obama is in the hole - DEEP.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:39 AM

WASHNWEAR

The real tragedy is that all this could have been averted. There's this great little app just came out called...uh...Photoshemp?...no...PhotoSHOP! Yeah, that's it - Photoshop! Apparently peeps are already doing some mad SICK sh*t with it, taking the glint out of folks eyes, and blacking out teeth and such. It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but maybe if someone got REAL good with the program, they could, ya know, like simulate a plane (or a boat, or a moose, or G. Gordon Liddy) flying close to the Statue of Liberty (or the Parthenon, or a White Castle, or G. Gordon Liddy).

Maybe next time...

W W T K D ?
What would Thomas Knoll do?

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:44 AM

America loves a winner!

This was such a lay up, but no, the Jr Senator ( in every sense of the word ) from Illinois is still learning, on the job. Only the's got a whole lot more to learn and less time than he needs.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
The real tragedy is that all this could have been averted. There's this great little app just came out called...uh...Photoshemp?...no...PhotoSHOP! Yeah, that's it - Photoshop! Apparently peeps are already doing some mad SICK sh*t with it, taking the glint out of folks eyes, and blacking out teeth and such. It's a bit of a stretch, I know, but maybe if someone got REAL good with the program, they could, ya know, like simulate a plane (or a boat, or a moose, or G. Gordon Liddy) flying close to the Statue of Liberty (or the Parthenon, or a White Castle, or G. Gordon Liddy).

Maybe next time...

W W T K D ?
What would Thomas Knoll do?

They could have got those PC crazy trolls at the University of Wisconsin to to it. They recently did a photchop to insert an african american into recruiting pamphlets.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:48 AM

What's starting to really irk me is what I'm hearing the possible COST was of this little stunt. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but somewhere in the vicinity of $300,000.00!!!!!! What the FRAK?? Then someone mentioned this morning that you need to add in the lost time and labor of the people who were evacuated out of buildings for two hours. That's lost revenue for those companies.

THEN I saw the video and the mass panic it caused and that just made my blood boil even more.

THEN! I heard the bumbling Bob Gibbs, White House Press Secretary, tell a reporter who asked him about the fly-by that the reporter should contact the White House for more info. HUH? Bob Gibbs IS the press' contact for the stinkin' White House!

THEN! I heard clips of several other people in charge say they didn't know about it (Obama & Napolitano), that it was the FAA's fault (Schumer), or that questions needed to be asked of the military (Gibbs).

What a freakin' joke.

Okay . . . there . . . I vented. Carry on.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:53 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama screws up 10x's more than Bush ever did, and so far it's only taken 100 days. Such benefits are EARNED, not given. So far, Obama is in the hole - DEEP.

I have yet to see any Obama "screw-up" that comes close to the levels exhibited by Bush - 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, the collapse of the economy, "Mission Accomplished", Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, warrantless wiretaps, extraordinary renditions, torture memos, the Patriot Act, Homeland Security (HAH!), etc.

Tell me again how it is that Bush EARNED the benefit of the doubt, in your eyes.

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:55 AM

I still haven't heard any word Louis Caldera's firing. He has said it was all on him, and he's apologized, but he needs to be shown the door, RIGHT NOW. Broom his ass out.

Why? Because as I've said from the outset, stupidity of that magnitude is a firing offense.

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:18 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Hmmm, let's see. A fake 9/11 photo op and the real thing.

Which IS the bigger screw-up ?

It's so hard to tell ...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:34 AM

Honestly . . . I'm still trying to figure out how a natural catastrophe (Katrina) can be blamed on ONE person. I mean really. That's like blaming the typhoon a few years ago on Bush, too. Why don't we lump that one on him, as well? Makes about as much sense to me . . . that is NO sense.

Maybe you guys fought over this before, but . . . . really?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:36 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Dude

No one is blaming Bush for Katrina. They are blaming him for the lack of federal help. Did you not get that idea after all this time ?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:38 AM

Oh right . . . THAT'S what you're talking about. I don't particularly agree, but don't wanna go down that rabbit trail at this point.

My apologies . . . carry on.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:55 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Oh right . . . THAT'S what you're talking about. I don't particularly agree, but don't wanna go down that rabbit trail at this point.

My apologies . . . carry on.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
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C'mon, Ripper - step your game up! :)

When we say "Katrina", that's generally understood as shorthand for the aftermath of the storm.

When we say Bush is responsible for Iraq, we don't mean he's responsible for the country of Iraq coming into existence - he's responsible for the invasion and its aftermath.

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
When we say "Katrina", that's generally understood as shorthand for the aftermath of the storm.

When we say Bush is responsible for Iraq, we don't mean he's responsible for the country of Iraq coming into existence - he's responsible for the invasion and its aftermath.

Well, that's common sense, sure. But I've heard people (not here, mind you, but as I'm new it MIGHT have been said I just never knew it) claim it was Bush's stance on Global Warming that led to the atmostpheric conditions that created Katrina. Ya know . . . THOSE nutjobs.

Not you.

Nope.

Would never insinuate that about you.

Never.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:00 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
The real tragedy is that all this could have been averted.

Voilà! Air Force 1 over the Statue of Liberty!

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
When we say "Katrina", that's generally understood as shorthand for the aftermath of the storm.

When we say Bush is responsible for Iraq, we don't mean he's responsible for the country of Iraq coming into existence - he's responsible for the invasion and its aftermath.

Well, that's common sense, sure. But I've heard people (not here, mind you, but as I'm new it MIGHT have been said I just never knew it) claim it was Bush's stance on Global Warming that led to the atmostpheric conditions that created Katrina. Ya know . . . THOSE nutjobs.

Not you.

Nope.

Would never insinuate that about you.

Never.

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Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
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While I do think that global warming will lead to nastier storms and more violent pendulum swings in weather patterns, I'm under no illusions that global warming is the reason we have hurricanes. Katrina wasn't really even that strong, as hurricanes go.

It's damn near impossible to point at a single storm or event and say, "Yup, there ya go - global warming." That's why I laugh every time there's a freak snowstorm in April, and the nutjobs come out of the woodwork: "See? Global warming is a HOAX, and this one weather anomaly PROVES IT!" First off, it doesn't. It. Just. Doesn't. Most of the global warming models I've seen predict WILDER swings in temperature variation - fewer cold snaps, but colder when they come. Fewer snowfall events, but much more snow falls when it does occur. Things like that. And the general trend is warmer temperatures on average.

By the way, you know how much of a difference an average temperature change of 2 degrees can make, on a global scale? According to many scientists, the average global temperature during the last Great Ice Age was just two degrees cooler than today. So two degrees warmer could be a really bad thing, eh?

Of course, the question isn't whether the climate changes. The ice ages show us that it indeed does. The questions are, do OUR activities have an impact on the global climate, and if so, is it a negative one or a positive one? There are some who say that we're actually in a period of what SHOULD BE global cooling, on the way to the next period of ice ages, but that man-made global warming is actually keeping the temperatures up, and thus keeping us alive!

So there's all different ways to look at that particular problem. Each of them have their own pitfalls, too. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be examined...

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:34 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I've been thinking about this lately.

There are minuses, and plusses. What comes to mind over the last 5 terms and 20 years ? (Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush) ...

The administration teams worked like well oiled machines. You have to think that there were plenty of old hands doing the same old - same old. Disappearing into the woodwork of the bureaucracy, re-emerging like cicadas in 15 years, only to tunnel back in at another place .... So while the presidential faces changed, what got done - didn't.

Obama's administration, for better or worse, has a lot of new people. It may really BE change ...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:08 PM

Unfortunately, Rue, it also has an awful lot of the same old faces...

I'm HOPING that Obama can kick them in the ass and show them who's boss for a CHANGE.

Call me a pie-eyed optimist...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:20 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

The one I really want to see gone - or brought to heel - is Geithner.

Who's on your list ?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:30 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Hillary

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:16 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
The one I really want to see gone - or brought to heel - is Geithner.

Who's on your list ?

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Geithner, yeah - but A.G. Holder before him!

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:19 PM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by rue:
The one I really want to see gone - or brought to heel - is Geithner.

Who's on your list ?

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Geithner, yeah - but A.G. Holder before him!

Holder would be my #1 to go also.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:26 PM