Gee, what if the Bush White House had done something THIS stupid ? by AURaptor

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Stop standing up for America, freedom and justice ?

Oh, never.

See? Rappy stands up for freedom by strapping THEM down!

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:32 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So rather than be offended by me saying that you're into torture and want to deface the Statue of Liberty, you go to a defense of fascism...

Interesting take. Really.

It's like I called you a filthy scum-sucking turd-smoking lying pedophile degenerate gambler and litterbug, and your whole defense was, "I'm no litterbug..."

It tells me more about you than you might want it to!

Mike

It's funny that you'd think I'd dignify your lying sack of shit opinion w/ having to defend that which I don't support.

You tear 'do not remove under penalty of law' tags off of mattresses.

There. I said it.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah! I'm gonna stand up for freedom and justice if I have to imprison and torture every mother-f*cking towel-head in order to do it!

Oy. The irony is really thick today. Gonna need a fog light and gas mask.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So rather than be offended by me saying that you're into torture and want to deface the Statue of Liberty, you go to a defense of fascism...

Interesting take. Really.

It's like I called you a filthy scum-sucking turd-smoking lying pedophile degenerate gambler and litterbug, and your whole defense was, "I'm no litterbug..."

It tells me more about you than you might want it to!

Mike

It's funny that you'd think I'd dignify your lying sack of shit opinion w/ having to defend that which I don't support.

It'd be funny if I thought you WOULDN'T dignify my opinion with a response, since you respond to pretty much everything else I write - unless you find it an uncomfortable question, that is.

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You tear 'do not remove under penalty of law' tags off of mattresses.

There. I said it.

Guilty. Don't torture me, bro!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Speaking of the effectiveness of interrogation.

One carefully worded post, just one, without physical proximity, without body language or personal intimidation, not even eye contact or tone of voice - and no benefit of set piece surroundings.

Just words, and few enough of them, on a screen.

And he cracks like a windshield hit by a rock.

Any questions ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Any questions ?

Yeah:

HOW???

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Pyschology and experience, Miss.

Once you know where all the gears and levers are, it's not too hard to pull them, and against a groupthink collective, it's like a persian rug, if you can pull one string, you can pull em all.

Fanatics are actually easier to crack because they subconsciously know their belief is in some way unacceptable and unsustainable, and they try to cover the crack in their mental foundations by sheer rabidity with an aggressive, rather than defensive mental posture, unlike criminals which will stonewall you with a siege mentality.

But if you know that flaw is there, that weak point, and what it is, all of which the poor sodder handed right on over with his earnest public "belief" in a fallacy even he knew was untrue (we did not torture anyone) - completely unaware that this threw up two red flags and a bullseye to someone who knows how this stuff works...

Then you provide hard evidence from their own "trusted sources" and shatter the illusion, followed on and up with absolute scorn for holding such an obviously false position complete with personal condemnation, and then you step back, leave the room, withdraw temporarily, as their own efforts to patch the ever widening crack cause it to crumble all the faster.

And religious fanatics are actually the easiest nuts in the world to crack, and with the right subtle theological manipulation, will gleefully tell you EVERYTHING without even realising it.

And all it took was knowing which lever to yank to start the slide, and full awareness of how trying to justify himself TO himself would cause him to pyschologically implode like that.

Who the hell needs a waterboard when someone with even half a clue don't even need physical contact nor proximity ?

Going hands on is the surest sign of the utterly incompetent.

-Frem

PS. You wanna start a thread relative to this particular aspect of discussion, I may well change my mind about not discussing the mechanics after all.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:34 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I figured it was this:

Posted by Frem -

Let's talk about those pesky Facts then, Rappy.

FINAL REPORT OF THE INDEP. PANEL TO REVIEW DOD DETENTION OPERATIONS
PAGE 13.
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=7663
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And this response:

Posted by Rap-

Frem,

Nice try at spinning the evidence.

I said there was no torture at GITMO, and there was none.

But thanks for playing. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP, ASSHOLE.

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And all pretense of being an even partially rational debater drops away.

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Silence is consent.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Yeah, pretty much removing the central card of the little house, and then stepping back to let it collapse on it's own while observing discretely.

Bit like dominos, too, really.

-F

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:52 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yeah, pretty much removing the central card of the little house, and then stepping back to let it collapse on it's own while observing discretely.

Bit like dominos, too, really.

-F

Only in your eyes.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the Islamo nuts who committed the 9/11 attacks, this ' tortured ' individual wanted to be among them. He wanted in on the slaughter of nearly 3000 people in New York City, that fine Sept morning. And you people are fussing over him not getting a full night's sleep ?

There are no words. General George Patton would be justified in smacking your whiny asses upside the head for being such unbelievable panty waist.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:20 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... smacking your whiny asses upside the head for being such unbelievable panty waist."

And on top of everything else, Rap has anatomical confusion.

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NO NO! Rap! Food doesn't go in THERE !

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:41 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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He wanted in on the slaughter of nearly 3000 people in New York City, that fine Sept morning. ?

And you want to genocide every Muslim in the world. So???

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And you people are fussing over him not getting a full night's sleep

Except that's not what happened, and you're in your usual "denial of fact" mode. Grow up, son. Take moral and intellectual responsibility for yourself if such a thing is possible with you.

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There are no words.

Nonetheless, you keep babbling...

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General George Patton

A known pyschopath

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would be justified in smacking your whiny asses upside the head for being such unbelievable panty waist.

Is this a a joke? It MUST be a joke. If it is, it's very funny.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:47 AM

America loves a winner!

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And you want to genocide every Muslim in the world. So???

Sig, as usual, you lie about my position, which makes it easier for you to vilify me. It's what you do, when you have a weak position from which to base YOUR views. I have never once suggested, intimated, in ANY form, manner, or semblance, the extermination of ALL Muslims. I have, in all honesty, voiced my opinion that I find it odd how the Islam "street " remains so silent, barely voicing any disapproval for the terrorism done in Allah's name. Note the true irony, if you will, how I never remotely claim to hold any such sentiment, yet you accuse me of wanting to "genocide" all Muslims, while Muslims themselves have repeatedly and even put in WRITING their very strong belief and intent to wipe Israel off the map.

And where is the 'outrage', where is the indignation over those views to 'genocide' an entire people ?

Hmmmm.... crickets.

1 incident of sleep deprivation and a chilly floor does not a POLICY of torture make. Sorry.

Torture - things we had better not be doing, under any circumstances, to detainees who refuse to cooperate and answer questions.

Beat
Burn
Shock
Slice
Stab
Insert things into the body.
Kick
Amputate ....

( are we getting the picture here folks ? )

There's nothing to indicate that the U.S. , as a routine or accepted method, does any of the above. If there's an exception, and a crime is committed, then punish who ever did it. Give 'em a fair hearing ( not the terrorist, those who interrogate over the line ) and punish or clear, as the evidence suggests.

What the FAR Left here on this board, the media and in Gov't do is confuse the issue by mixing in acts which are by no means, what so ever " torture ". They then accuse those who have pledged to protect this country w/ totally unfounded and fabricated crimes.

And the REASON for doing this? Simple. To marginalize and attack anyone who doesn't agree w/ them.

Also, for those who don't know - FASCISM, (once again ) isn't a synonym for things the Left lies about and accuses the Right of being. It means the control of private business by Gov't. This is exactly what is happening , under Obama, with our banks, our auto industry, and soon, our health care. Fascism has, as it's primary definition, nothing to do w/ torture.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy- I will quote your views on pre-emptively kiling children if that hepls refresh your memory.

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1 incident of sleep deprivation and a chilly floor does not a POLICY of torture make. Sorry.

Not what happend. Sorry. And the point still stands that "wanting" something is not a crime. Plotting, conspiring, threatening... could be crimes. "Wanting?" Not so much.

Beat
Burn
Shock
Slice
Stab
Insert things into the body.
Kick
Amputate ....
And YOUR defintion of "torture" simply has not kept up with the times! The kinds of procedures that YOU define as torture have a significant drawback- they leave marks. But I cna kill you, or make you long for death, without leaving a mark.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:57 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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1 incident of sleep deprivation and a chilly floor does not a POLICY of torture make. Sorry.
Not what happend. Sorry.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

That's exactly what happened.

And that you side w/ the terrorists who committed the acts of 9/11 is beyond unconscionable.

Glad I'll never have to live w/ that on my mind. You own them an apology. ----

Victims of 9/11/01

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:20 AM

JONGSSTRAW

There are enough events over the last decade to make it un-necessary to have to invent political hypotheticals, particularly ones that generate irrational hatred from both camps.
I do not understand the rationale for even posting a thread like this. One would imagine that continuing to hold up Bush as some sort of measuring stick for Obama is a self-defeating and useless activity, only designed to irritate and bring out the worst in others. Constanly looking to the past, constantly justifying the unjustifyable in an attempt to create some sort of cheery legacy is psychotic and very sad. Both Bush haters and Bush admirers have to move past the past.
On paper, I could easily be a screaming hater against Obama like some out there, but guess what...despite the daily barrage of what they call Obama blunders, or Obama dangers to the country, my toes are still tappin'. Life is still very good, and for some reason I do not feel any less safe in my life than I did 100 days ago. Imagine that! Sorry.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:42 AM

OPPYH

Relax, everyone.

With the apocalypse imminent in the next few years you should go outside, take a breath of fresh air, walk your dog. Enjoy nature.

Life's too short(like 3 years left...maybe less) to concern ourselves with politics. Do you drink beer? If not, now would be a good time to start.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:01 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Relax, everyone.

Do you drink beer? If not, now would be a good time to start.

I use to. Was quite the connoisseur of beer too. But I've lost the taste for it. All interest in beer, wine, liquor.... just not anything I care for any more. I guess I drank enough already, and I don't need any more. Weird, I know.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:23 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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That's exactly what happend

Cites please? Because according to the GOVERNMENT PROSECUTOR that's NOT what happened. So I suppose you were there, or you knew someone who was there, right? Someone with better information than the person who reveiwed the case?

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And that you side w/ the terrorists who committed the acts of 9/11 is beyond unconscionable.

First of all, this person didn't "commit" anything, apparently. Secondly, I'm not siding "with the terrorists" I'm siding with "the rule of law"- a concept you seemly to be woefully ignorant of!

What good do rights and liberties do if you only apply them to people you agree with? Following the law willy-nilly is the same as TYRANNY... that's what the FF fought against. Even the most heinous of criminals deserves the right to habeas corpus, a trial, and a conviction BEFORE punishment. But thanks to your buds in the WH, now that this guy was tortured he can't be prosecuted. The person who should be apologizing to the 9-11 victims is you, because you make a mockery of everything thia nation is supposed to be founded on, and to stand for.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:52 AM

America loves a winner!

This from a guy who claimed he was beaten every day, called al Jizeerah, and was released by an activist judge who woulnd't allow us to retry the terrorist because of the alleged beatings.

Cry me a damn river.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

We seem to tbe talking about two different people. OTOH, not sure that it matters 'cause you have no case: No cites, no facts, no laws, no ethics... nothing to back you up except your blind fear and hatred.

You should be ashamed. People fought and died for freedom... rule of law... rights... and you'd flush the Constitution and all of that sacrifice like so much toilet paper. You can't muster up even a FRACTION of their courage to defend FREEDOM. I wouldn't waste a single tear on YOU. But I would for THEM and their wasted effort.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:42 PM

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Give 'em a fair hearing ( not the terrorist, those who interrogate over the line ) and punish or clear, as the evidence suggests.

So, for the record, you're against giving terrorists - or at least "THE terrorist", whichever one that is - a fair hearing?

And I guess "over the line" means whatever YOU say it means, right? Because report after report, from our government, the Red Cross, Amnesty International, and now even the government of Spain, has concluded that THE UNITED STATES COMMITTED ACTS OF TORTURE! You're one of the very few who are insisting that no such thing happened - but of course you have the distinct advantage of having access to none of the official reports, so you've got that going for you...

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What the FAR Left here on this board, the media and in Gov't do is confuse the issue by mixing in acts which are by no means, what so ever " torture ". They then accuse those who have pledged to protect this country w/ totally unfounded and fabricated crimes.

Apparently here, in the government, in the Red Cross, Amnesty International, and even the government of Spain...

By the way, the law the Spanish are using to go after Bush officials? It's the same one that allowed US to go after the son of Charles Taylor, for the crime of... (wait for it)... TORTURE!

You guys on the right keep some great company, eh?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:47 PM

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And that you side w/ the terrorists who committed the acts of 9/11 is beyond unconscionable.

Glad I'll never have to live w/ that on my mind. You own them an apology. ----

And that YOU side with the Nazis who committed the acts of the Holocaust is beyond unconscionable.

Glad I'll never have to live with that on my mind. You owe the entire world an apology.

- Hey, if you can equate opposing torture to siding with Al Qaeda, I can equate your happy endorsement of torture to siding with the Nazis. It's equally as valid a comparison.

And THAT is why you are a fascist!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:59 PM