Mexican flu cases rising by the 100's, deaths certain to occur. by AURaptor

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The worst is yet to come.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:12 PM

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"deaths certain to occur"
You dolt. Deaths have ALREADY occurred.

You have to make the predictions BEFORE the events for them to count.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:16 PM

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Speaking state side, simpleton.

State side.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:29 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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"deaths certain to occur"
You dolt. Deaths have ALREADY occurred.

You have to make the predictions BEFORE the events for them to count.

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I just got the weirdest look from my wife - I read this and giggle-snorted out loud!

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:30 PM

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Maybe you might want to check your title there, genius. Does is say ANYTHING about the US ?

Oh, and btw, deaths have already occured 'stateside'. Keep up, or look like the follow-along you are.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:32 PM

WHOZIT

We'll be fine because here in the states we have somthing called "Medicine", in Mexico they pour chicken blood on you then hit you with a stick.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:33 PM

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Speaking state side, simpleton.

State side.

Once again, Rappy chides everyone else for his own stupidity. How stupid of us not to have known that in RappyWorld™, death doesn't count unless it occurs in the U.S. We should have known what he thought he clearly meant, not what he typed!

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:35 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
We'll be fine because here in the states we have somthing called "Medicine", in Mexico they pour chicken blood on you then hit you with a stick.

Lack of sleep has set in. I find that funny.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
We'll be fine because here in the states we have somthing called "Medicine", in Mexico they pour chicken blood on you then hit you with a stick.

Lack of sleep has set in. I find that funny.

I slept fine, and I found it funny, too. Wrong, but funny. The Zit may have the line of the day!

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:39 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It's a flu.

Get over it!

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Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:42 PM

Don't people die every year in the U.S. from the flu?

Is this one really worse than most, or is it just the hype?

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:03 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think it's mostly hype.

The major factor that concers me is "mortality": how many people who get the flu die. The only way to know THAT is to know the underlying rate of infection and the number of deaths. Mexico hasn't clue about either one. Most of their reported deaths have been unconfirmed as to the cause, and they have absolutely no idea whether they have a thousand infections, or a million- or more. So far this looks a lot better than SARS.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:09 PM

Or, as Jon Stewart noted, you're still more likely to die from "Bullet Flu" in Mexico - and Bullet Flu is airborne. :)

Mike

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:11 PM

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Oh, what I was talking about... it's actually called Case Fatality Ratio.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:14 PM

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"Using new and improved statistical models, CDC scientists estimate that an average of 36,000 people ... die from influenza-related complications each year in the United States. In addition, about 11,000 people die per year from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a virus that causes upper and lower respiratory tract infections primarily in young children and older adults. The study demonstrates that most deaths caused by RSV occur in the elderly."

These are significant numbers.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Gotta ask, I have about no data on use of focused sonics to break up crystalline viral structures, and what little I got is way beyond my limited understanding of the topic...

Any input from you scientific types ?

-F

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:58 PM

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I've not heard of that.

Sorry.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:00 PM

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Me neither!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"Using new and improved statistical models, CDC scientists estimate that an average of 36,000 people ... die from influenza-related complications each year in the United States. In addition, about 11,000 people die per year from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a virus that causes upper and lower respiratory tract infections primarily in young children and older adults. The study demonstrates that most deaths caused by RSV occur in the elderly."

These are significant numbers.

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I'd bet that 90% of those deaths come from Fall/Winter flu. I seems like Spring/Summer flu's are always less infectious because of weather conditions. We're probably lucky that this outbreak waited tell Spring.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:11 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think this is very much a wait-and-see situation. Over a hundred people became ill in NY and none died. It's not very deadly, but the symptoms sound awful.

There is one thing to keep in mind, though: Viruses can and do mutate, so this MAY become more virulent (deadly) over time. OTOH, it could also become less so.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:54 PM

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There is also the potential that the virus will establish a residual infected population and smolder along for now, only to and re-emerge with a bang later.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Really ?

STUDIES ON THE SONIC TREATMENT OF TOBACCO MOSAIC VIRUS
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2147084

This and two studies from 1934 are all I've been able to find on the topic, and mind that such had to have been with some SERIOUSLY primitive technology in light of the fact that we do use focused sonics on some kidney stones without harm to the patient these days.

I've passed this on to the GeekFarm and they're hoppingly excited about the possibilities, which if they get a decent viable test series up and running, they've agreed to pass on to the NIH in the interests of public health.

But I *know* there's been other research done on this stuff, I just don't have the background to find it.

-Frem

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:37 AM

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1st death in US. Child was 23 months old, and family was "visiting" other family members , who certainly were LEGAL immigrants, we must assume.

Sure.

Secretary DHS Napolitano Reluctant to Continue Tightened Border Security in Face of Swine Flu Threat

April 28, 2009
RightSideNews.com

As the death toll from Swine Flu in Mexico keeps rising, currently at 159, President Obama asks Congress for $1.5 billion to fight the fast-spreading disease. Confirmed cases of Swine Flu in the United States now totals 66.

It seems difficult to believe that Federal U.S. officials may be backing down from any further securing of the borders. Their attitude, in essence, that as the flu seems to be spreading so rapidly that further restriction at the borders would not help. This could be imprudent in light of the rising death toll in Mexico. Public officials seem more intent on minimizing concern, than on reducing the threat of additional exposure. An Associated Press headline reads : "Mexico death toll stabilizes as epidemic spreads" the article stating that this virus is going to spread regardless of any precautions taken to contain it.

Regardless of the current spread of the disease in the United States, any and all efforts to reduce or eliminate additional infection from apparent point of origin would seem reasonable, if only to control new exposure in order to keep the virus at existing levels, instead of allowing additional risk. Citing that the death toll has "leveled off" seem to make that the bench mark for breathing a collective sigh of relief and determiniation that we must just deal with the inevitable spread, forgetting about any efforts to stop additional or new exposure by border quarrantine.

At this time there are no reported deaths from the fast-spreading virus in the United States. This should be cause enough to continue, if not strengthen, the precaution of keeping tighter border scrutiny in place to reduce the chances of additional infection, at least until Mexico is able to gain better control of the epidemic.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:46 AM

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"This could be imprudent in light of the rising death toll in Mexico."

Or, falling ...

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212226564.shtml

Swine Flu Death Toll 7 NOT 150 + - World Health Organization Responds
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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:17 AM

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Then why is the office of the W.H.O. one step away from declaring an end to everything, everywhere ?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:33 AM

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Oh dear. Rap, you really must get a clue.

Swine flu: What do the World Health Organisation's pandemic alert levels mean?
The World Health Organisation has a numbered alert level scale, by which it measures the spread of diseases such as swine flu.

Phase 4: Human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza virus able to sustain community-level outbreaks has been verified. Countries are advised to "activate contingency plans".

Phase 5: The same identified virus has caused sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries in one WHO region. A pandemic is officially under way.

Phase 6: In addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5, the same virus has caused sustained community level outbreaks in at least one other country in another WHO region.

During phases five and six, countries are advised to "implement contingency plans for health systems at all levels".

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WHO: Getting closer to a pandemic

The World Health Organization's Gregory Hartl issued this warning: "We are a significant step closer to a pandemic. Phase four again is a kind of a turning point phase," Hartl said.

The World Health Organization says swine flu is a highly contagious acute respiratory disease of pigs. But this virus is different.

"This particular virus, this H1N1 that we're calling swine flu has genetic elements from a human influenza, genetic elements from a pig influenza and genetic elements from an avian influenza," Dr. Fauci explained. "They all come together and you have this brand new virus that we've never seen before."

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So Rap - if a hurricane was coming - would you board your windows up before or afer it hit ? Would you stock up on supplies before or after it hit ? If it was bad enough to evacuate the area, would you do that before or after it hit ? Would you want the government to get its emergency teams prepared before or after it hit ?

Do you think there is value in being prepared before an event, or would you wait till after ?

Would you monitor the progress of a potential pandemic, or not ? Would you prepare for it before, or after, it hit ?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:57 AM

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So Rap - if a hurricane was coming - would you board your windows up before or afer it hit ? Would you stock up on supplies before or after it hit ? If it was bad enough to evacuate the area, would you do that before or after it hit ? Would you want the government to get its emergency teams prepared before or after it hit ?

Do you think there is value in being prepared before an event, or would you wait till after ?

Would you monitor the progress of a potential pandemic, or not ? Would you prepare for it before, or after, it hit ?

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I'm pretty far inland, but since Obama doesn't even care about white people, I don't know what I'd do.

( You see, if Kanye West can say that about Bush, then it makes as much sense as me claiming Obama doesn't care about me. )

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:00 AM

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Keep reading dude - there was more than hurricanes in there.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:02 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

and yet...

the WHO has released a report saying that ONLY 7 deaths have occured.

Not the 152 or whatever they claimed earlier.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:32 AM

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"Not the 152 or whatever they (WHO) claimed earlier."

WHO never claimed '152 or whatever'. Mexican officials did. WHO is disputing that figure.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:03 AM

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1st death in US. Child was 23 months old, and family was "visiting" other family members , who certainly were LEGAL immigrants, we must assume.

Sure.

Well, you should assume so unless you've got evidence to the contrary. Or does the presumption of innocence only apply to white people in your pathetic little racist world?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:06 AM

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I'm pretty far inland, but since Obama doesn't even care about white people, I don't know what I'd do.

( You see, if Kanye West can say that about Bush, then it makes as much sense as me claiming Obama doesn't care about me. )

Well, you're right - Obama DOESN'T care about you. But that has nothing to do with you being white. It has more to do with you being an asshole partisan shill for goobers like Rush Limbaugh...

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:00 PM

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"Not the 152 or whatever they (WHO) claimed earlier."

WHO never claimed '152 or whatever'. Mexican officials did. WHO is disputing that figure.

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Why would WHO dispute the Mexican numbers, you wouldn't think there would be any reason for the Mexicans to exaggerate. Maybe they're just having a hard time confirming the deaths are from flu, with all the Chicken blood and bruises.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:05 PM

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Do you have anything intelligent to contribute ?

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:49 PM

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Or, as Jon Stewart noted, you're still more likely to die from "Bullet Flu" in Mexico - and Bullet Flu is airborne. :)

Mike

Yes, but they have a medicine for that...It's called PlomoFlu !

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:13 PM

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There is also the potential that the virus will establish a residual infected population and smolder along for now, only to and re-emerge with a bang later.

That's right...

This is really only a 'beta test' version...It will take a while before it has been perfected to the desired extent , to produce the intended results...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:25 PM

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hey kwickie

Fuck you, asshole. There was nothing remotely 'racist' in my remark. Stop being such a dick head, for once.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Not a chance, O2b... Sonics, it's a virus, it's crystalline...

Got no time to go into it tho.

-F

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Gotta ask, I have about no data on use of focused sonics to break up crystalline viral structures, and what little I got is way beyond my limited understanding of the topic...

Any input from you scientific types ?

-F

You are seeming kind of sure of yourself for someone with 'about no data' ?

What are you even trying to say ?

Viruses are protein chains that are stray genetic material...They're not even technically 'alive' until introduced into a host organism...

While it may be possible ultrasound could be used against a virus , is there any in vivo clinical evidence of efficacy ?

I'd be more willing to bet on colloidal silver or nanosilver , but Big Pharma is suppressing and discrediting those...They'd do the same with sonics...

A frequent peeve of mine is when the MSM news talking heads ask stuff like , " Isn't there an antibiotic that works against this virus ? "

Or worse , " Scientists are working to develop an antibiotic against this virus..."

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:20 PM

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A frequent peeve of mine is when the MSM news talking heads ask stuff like , " Isn't there an antibiotic that works against this virus ? "

Or worse , " Scientists are working to develop an antibiotic against this virus..."

Well, DUH! (Just kidding. Bear with me.)

A new antibiotic is a sought-after, sellable commodity. And it's got a finite useful life before it's no good anymore, or at the very least loses some effectiveness. So pushing antibiotics is ALWAYS good business, even if it's not good medicine. As I've noted before, there's much more money in TREATING diseases than in CURING them.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:20 PM

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hey kwickie

Fuck you, asshole. There was nothing remotely 'racist' in my remark. Stop being such a dick head, for once.

Let's see... you automatically ASSUME that because someone's Hispanic, they must be illegal, because, ya know, they're all like that...

And yes, that really DOES come across as racist. So did the bit about Obama not caring about white people. What, did you NOT think Kanye West was a racist when he said it about Dubya?

Mike

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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A frequent peeve of mine is when the MSM news talking heads ask stuff like , " Isn't there an antibiotic that works against this virus ? "

Or worse , " Scientists are working to develop an antibiotic against this virus..."

Well, DUH! (Just kidding. Bear with me.)

A new antibiotic is a sought-after, sellable commodity. And it's got a finite useful life before it's no good anymore, or at the very least loses some effectiveness. So pushing antibiotics is ALWAYS good business, even if it's not good medicine.

Mike

You have the rue/signyM penchant for overstating the stuff that's really obvious , especially when it's not particularly obvious to you...

Like , it seems you really missed a point back there...

NEWS FLASH !--- Antibiotics do not work against
viral illnesses...

There's a whole 'nuther class of meds for that...They're called , get this , anti-Virals !

Antibiotics are effective against bacterial illnesses...That's it...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:40 PM

KIRKULES

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NEWS FLASH !--- Antibiotics do not work against
viral illnesses...

There's a whole 'nuther class of meds for that...They're called , get this , anti-Virals !

Antibiotics are effective against bacterial illnesses...That's it...

No disagreement, but many of those that die as a result of contracting a virus don't die from the virus, they die from a secondary bacterial infection.

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:53 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:

NEWS FLASH !--- Antibiotics do not work against
viral illnesses...

There's a whole 'nuther class of meds for that...They're called , get this , anti-Virals !

Antibiotics are effective against bacterial illnesses...That's it...

No disagreement, but a lot of those that die as a result of contracting a virus don't die from the virus, they die from a secondary bacterial infection.

Usually contracted in a hospital, as is the case with staph aureus or with MRSA...

Both of which have become more resistant to treatment , due to doctors over-prescribing antibiotics...

Doctors are dangerous , more dangerous than car wrecks , unless you need a doctor to save you after a car wreck...

Then they're still damn dangerous , as are hospitals...

Ever notice how at hospitals , a lot of folk walk in at the front , and every day , dead folk go out the back , feet first ?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:50 AM

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Let's see... you automatically ASSUME that because someone's Hispanic, they must be illegal, because, ya know, they're all like that...

And yes, that really DOES come across as racist. So did the bit about Obama not caring about white people. What, did you NOT think Kanye West was a racist when he said it about Dubya?

Mike

I assumed that, since they're FROM Mexico, and living in Texas, where folks can quite literally cross the border by simply walking over a patch of empty ground...yeah, it's reasonable to conclude that they MIGHT be here illegally. There are 12 to 20 million illegals in this country, you know. And since legal status has nothing to do w/ race, it's a matter of FOLLOWING THE LAW ( remember how important you folks keep saying that is ? ) , race is of zero significance here, what so ever.

So spare us all the P.C. bullshit, and just admit you're being a dick head for the sake of being a dick head.

And do you really need me to explain the Kanye West remark, in reference to Obama ? Wow. You really are that dense.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:19 AM

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Then why is the office of the W.H.O. one step away from declaring an end to everything, everywhere ?

Job justification.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:36 AM

CHRISISALL

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I assumed

Yes, you do a lot of that.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:40 AM

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I assumed that, since they're FROM Mexico, and living in Texas, where folks can quite literally cross the border by simply walking over a patch of empty ground...yeah, it's reasonable to conclude that they MIGHT be here illegally. There are 12 to 20 million illegals in this country, you know. And since legal status has nothing to do w/ race, it's a matter of FOLLOWING THE LAW ( remember how important you folks keep saying that is ? ) , race is of zero significance here, what so ever.

Race is of zero significance, huh? You just naturally - by your own admission, in your own words - assume that everybody from Mexico who enters Texas does so illegally. And that's not a racist assumption AT ALL, is it? Tell me, do you also assume that every American who visits Tijuana is there illegally, too? What about Americans who go into Canada? Do you assume they're illegals? Probably not.

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So spare us all the P.C. bullshit, and just admit you're being a dick head for the sake of being a dick head.

Being a dickhead for the sake of being a dickhead? Isn't that YOUR job, dickhead?

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And do you really need me to explain the Kanye West remark, in reference to Obama ? Wow. You really are that dense.

Do I need you to explain again how you're not racist, you just don't like people who aren't white? No, I totally get that. If you don't think Kanye West's remarks were racist, then cool - but I think you DO think he's a racist. Oddly, though, when you do the exact same thing, you DON'T think THAT is racist. You've somehow twisted things in your mind so much that in your world, a white person CAN'T be racist.

Maybe you should explain why remarks made by you are NOT racist, when you would call them racist if they were made by a black person. Can you clear that one up for us, AuRacist?

Mike

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