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Originally posted by rue:
putting antibiotics in animal feed is criminal greed.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What about Americans who go into Canada?

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A July 2004 study by the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute, Paying, More, Getting Less, concluded that after years of government control, the Canadian medical system is badly injured and bleeding citizens' hard-earned tax dollars. The institute compared health care systems in the industrialized countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and found Canada currently spends the most, yet ranks among the lowest on such indicators as access to physicians, quality of medical equipment, and key health outcomes.

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In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017. Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.
Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development

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the founding President of the Atlantic Institute for Market Studies www.aims.ca, located in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Crowley is co-author of two Sir Antony Fisher Award-winning projects on the Canadian health care system. In recognition of his health care work, he was named to the the most influential provincial health care inquiry in Canada, the Mazankowski Committee. Former Canadian Deupty Prime Minister Don Mazankowski called Crowley the "intellectual architect" of the committee's report.

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Originally posted by rue:
And, I'll give you a tip in how to spot a Canadian a US crowd. Look for the ones walking with their heads up and looking around. They stand out from the general defensive US stance like day vs night.

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Originally posted by rue:
"You can blame all the sterotype stuff on Bob and Doug McKenzie!!!"

Eh ?

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Race is of zero significance, huh? You just naturally - by your own admission, in your own words - assume that everybody from Mexico who enters Texas does so illegally.

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And that's not a racist assumption AT ALL, is it?

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Tell me, do you also assume that every American who visits Tijuana is there illegally, too?

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What about Americans who go into Canada? Do you assume they're illegals? Probably not.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It was once said that a black man would be president "when pigs fly". Indeed, 100 days into Obamas presidency....

Swine Flu.


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Originally posted by AuRaptor:

My comment, was, more correctly , bigoted. Learn the difference, and please make a note of it.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Don't wanna hijack this any further and/or detract from the comments about racist humor..."

So how is the joke I posted, racist?

Really? Im actually asking.

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Originally posted by RIPWash:

My thought process is: why would they be writing about the dificulties of Canadian Healthcare when they are a part of the system that is apparently so much better than ours?

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Originally posted by rue:
"IMHO the Government has screwed up Social Security ..."

How ? It's the ONE place the federal government is solvent ! Now, if the government could just stop raiding the till and consider repaying the money they took, it would stay that way.

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Ah, and there's the rub. It shouldn't have been taken out to begin with! I don't recall who opened up that can of worms (allowing it to become part of the General Fund), but it shouldn't have and now it's not in good shape in terms of the bottom line and possibly not enough there for the folks who'll need it in the near future.

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"I don't want to be told by someone else where to go or who to see."

That IS pretty uneducated, I have to say. You have clearly been listening to the cough cough right-wing media. And to be clear - what I want and what the Obama administration wants are two different things. But in Canada, and elsewhere - you can see whoever you want. The difference is, there the government picks up the tab. (The government and the CMA have already negotiated a fee-for service schedule.)

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Again, I concede to your more in-depth knowledge on this.

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"... I also don't feel comfortable in completely dismissing what they did present out of hand either."

I do, based on my personal experience and information - which is why I encourage you to research the topic. Don't take my word for it - check out neutral unbiased sources of hard data. The more you learn, the more you will understand that other countries DO do it better ! The question is - which of their choices do we wish to emulate ?

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This is one area that we'll have to agree to disagree (in terms of dismissing what some people arguably DID say against the system). I DO agree that we should find away to do things better. I just don't know if taxing everyone to fund your particular brand of healthcare system is fair when it covers those who aren't contributing to the system. Again, probably naive and uneducated in your eyes. In a perfect world EVERYONE would have a job and make productive contributions to society and thus this healthcare system would be viable. I wouldn't have a problem with it at that point.

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The surveys and opinion pieces you posted were highly slanted and did a lot of data exclusion. Any opinion you form from those sources is bound to be inaccurate.

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If that's the case, so be it. I'll have to do better next time. LOL

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Btw, 85%* of Canadians are proud of their system and want it to stay fundamentally the same. *My bad - most recent figure is 91%.

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"And if that's the case what incentive would drug and research companies have to come up with new treatment options?"

You forget - even in the US the research is funded by the government. In fact, nearly ALL US medical research is funded by the government. Do you expect improvements to stop just b/c drug companies are no longer trying to cash in on the next big 'blockbuster' drug like - Viagra ?

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I, the simpleton, was not aware of the amount of government involvement. But then that begs the question: if medical research is funded by the government, then why are the drugs/treatment generated from that research so gosh darned expensive for us common folk? If you claim they can give us healthcare cheaper and more affordable, why haven't they made THAT segment (which you say they have a certain amount of control over), more cost effective for American citizens? Hmmmmmm?

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Here's a challenge - come up with ONE major medical advancement researched and developed by private industry in the last 25 years. Good luck !

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If I weren't so scared you'd clean my clock on the subject, I'd take you up on it. LOL This was probably government funded, but I have a friend at work who's husband went through a cancer treatment I'd never heard of before. They injected him with some chemical that would burn up when exposed to light (this is a layman's description so please forgive the errors). They waited a week or so and he had to stay in the dark the whole time (I called him Darkman). Then they blasted the tumor with ultraviolet light and destroyed the tumor that way. It was really cool the way they described it.

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Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Don't wanna hijack this any further and/or detract from the comments about racist humor..."

So how is the joke I posted, racist?

Really? Im actually asking.

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Now, don't get me wrong. I agree with ya here, Kwicko. You're repeating what I said several times. But if you'll read a little more carefully, I said it was Canadians dissing Canadian healthcare. And if Canada IS that much better then they would be telling it's better instead of how it's NOT. That's all I meant.

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Why oh why do I get pulled into conversations with people that are smarter than me on the subject I'm complaining about, yet don't want to agree with them on?

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Originally posted by RIPWash:

I just don't know if taxing everyone to fund your particular brand of healthcare system is fair when it covers those who aren't contributing to the system.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Thanks Rappy, for giving us another thread to illustrate what a simple-minded dipshit you are. Can't even admit to a mistake, and then start throwing around assinine analogies (or, did Obama let an entire city full of white folk drown? No? Then you're full of shit, as per usual).

You never fail to set the bar ever lower for yourself and your sock puppets. Well done.
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I, the simpleton, was not aware of the amount of government involvement. But then that begs the question: if medical research is funded by the government, then why are the drugs/treatment generated from that research so gosh darned expensive for us common folk?

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