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Book and his 'knee caps ' reference was the 1st thing I thought of....

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 19:07
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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:45 AM

America loves a winner!

Zoë: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?

Shepherd Book: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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The Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life last week reported a finding that at first blush is stunning: the more often one attends religious services, the more likely one is to say that the use of torture against suspected terrorists is at least sometimes justified. And white evangelical Protestants are the most likely subgroup to offer at least some support for torture, while those who are not affiliated with a religious denomination are the least likely.

http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=156

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:48 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Must be the authoritarian streak that runs through them.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Must be the authoritarian streak that runs through them.

Or could be just that they don't like sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as a result of playing nicey nice w/ folks who are pure evil.

Take your pick.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 9:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Must be the authoritarian streak that runs through them.

Or could be just that they don't like sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as a result of playing nicey nice w/ folks who are pure evil.

Take your pick.

Or could be just that they love sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as long as they're not "christians". These folks who love torture are so intent on fighting "pure evil" that they're fully willing to become pure evil to try to "win" that fight, never seeing the futility of their methods...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:11 AM

BYTEMITE

That quote from Book is supposed to be ironic, you know. <_<

...And technically wasn't he against torture? He kind of took up arms to stop it.

Anyway. No one's evil who wasn't made evil.

What we're looking at is the result of extreme nationalism on the side of the United States and several Middle Eastern Nations. Calling each other evil is a falsehood, and inhibits any effort to actually solve the problems between us.

As such, since most of the people we're torturing aren't evil, they're just angry and misdirected enough to want to set off explosives everywhere, can't really condone the torture. It's barbaric and we hold ourselves (or should) to higher standards. And less dubious moral justifications than simply "they're evil!"

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:30 AM

KIRKULES

I always thought it was torture when my Mom forced me to go to church as a small child. Religious folk just have a better understanding of what torture is, because they go through psychological torture every Sunday.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:54 AM

STORYMARK

Nobody does hipocracy like the religious.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:49 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Nobody does hipocracy like the religious.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

No kidding.

Now turn the other cheek in forgiveness, or I'll kill you!

:)

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 1:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Ok, let's see what we got here....

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Or could be just that they love sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as long as they're not "christians".

Classic Left wing attempt to distort opponent's point of view ?

Check

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These folks who love torture are so intent on fighting "pure evil" that they're fully willing to become pure evil to try to "win" that fight, never seeing the futility of their methods...

Mike

Check and check

Yes, ladies and gents. What we have here is a case of Liberalus Moronis.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 1:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Kwicko:
Or could be just that they love sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as long as they're not "christians".
Rap:
Classic Left wing attempt to distort opponent's point of view ?

I suppose there's nothing 'idle' about 1000's of non-x-tians dying. After all, the x-tians went to great efforts to make it happen.

Kwicko:
These folks who love torture are so intent on fighting "pure evil" that they're fully willing to become pure evil to try to "win" that fight, never seeing the futility of their methods...
Rap:
Check and check

Rap, where was that check ? Are you seeing things --- again ?

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:18 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ok, let's see what we got here....
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Or could be just that they love sitting idly by and watching 1000's die as long as they're not "christians".

Classic Left wing attempt to distort opponent's point of view ?

Check

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These folks who love torture are so intent on fighting "pure evil" that they're fully willing to become pure evil to try to "win" that fight, never seeing the futility of their methods...

Mike

Check and check

Yes, ladies and gents. What we have here is a case of Liberalus Moronis.

Rappy trolling again?

Check and mate.

Your move, loser.

Mike

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:18 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Can Never be justified is the only important category. People who are willing to justify it at all will always find reasons to do so.

High Church Attendance - 25%
Intermittent Church Attendance - 23%
Low or No Church Attendance - 26%

A spread of 3 percentage points, with an unknown margin of error in the survey.

And apparently, Mainline Protestants are the reported most against torture, at 31%

And what conclusions can we draw from this about a propensity for torture and religious beliefs?

Can we conclude that church attendance has an effect on torture willingness? Can we conclude that Mainline Protestants are more humane than atheists?

I don't think we can conclude anything.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:43 PM

KWICKO

I didn't see a category for atheists. I see one for "seldom or never attend church services", but that doesn't tell me anything about whether or not they BELIEVE in any god(s), just that they're not keen on going to church.

Mike

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:45 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I assumed that atheists never go to Church, though I concede I may be mistaken.

And yes, the survey neglects to ask people whether they believe in God, which is a very different thing from visiting a building on Sundays.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:41 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Check and mate.

Your move, loser.

Doesn't checkmate mean you no longer have a move to make?

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:45 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I assumed that atheists never go to Church, though I concede I may be mistaken.

http://atheism.about.com/od/whoareatheists/a/AtheistsChurch.htm

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I assumed that atheists never go to Church, though I concede I may be mistaken.

And yes, the survey neglects to ask people whether they believe in God, which is a very different thing from visiting a building on Sundays.

--Anthony

Atheist go to church when their friends get married in churches.

They HAVE attended church in the past, most likely, and that's why they stopped going.

Least that's my story.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:54 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Check and mate.

Your move, loser.

Doesn't checkmate mean you no longer have a move to make?

It means any move you make forfeits your king, and ends the game. You still CAN make a move, but it's pointless to do so. Hence my choice of those words aimed at Rappy. It was an analogy to his running out of moves, AND a play on his checklist ploy, both at the same time.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:57 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I assumed that atheists never go to Church, though I concede I may be mistaken.

Anthony,

I tend to assume that atheists never go to church, too. But that's not quite the same as assuming that those who never or seldom go to church are atheists, is it?

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:24 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Hell, Rappy has a good point.....

Time to ban organized religion NOW

or perhaps we should have a study done that compares IQ vs religion observed... that would be truely interesting.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:07 PM

KWICKO

Truly.

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