Tortured to Death by SignyM

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Actually, I'm right. Brush up on your law books, yo.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:09 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, I'm right. Brush up on your law books, yo.

That's just it, you talk technicality & minutia, and I talk real life.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:17 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not to bake your noodle or anything, Jongsy, but I'm gonna have to agree with you AGAIN. Try not to faint.

Mike

You don't HAVE to agree with me, but as long as this topic keeps popping up, I'm going to comment on it. It is a personal moral issue for me as well as an "American" issue. It's not Republican or Democrat, or really even Liberal or Conservative. It's about civilized and lawful behavior versus barbarism and sadism.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:19 AM

America loves a winner!

You kill a person by running over them with your car.

Did you INTEND to do them harm? Or did you simply not see them, and they died as a result anyway.

Murder one isn't "minutia", my friend. Intent plays a major role in the letter of the law. And that's what we're dealing with here, are we not ? Civilization vs barbarism ?

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:43 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Wait - how does this stack up with your previous stance - it's not torture if there's no risk of death ? B/c otherwise , it's just hazing and hijinks.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, your interpretation of the law is 150% wrong. Legal experts- not you or me, mind you- have repeatedly commented on how ... er... tortured the logic is in the relevant memos.

And AFA as "accident" is concerned... If as a driver you've contributed in any way to the "accident" then you will likely be charged with vehicular manslaughter. And if you've had several accidents to your record (particularly if you've been DUI) they will lock you up and throw away the key.

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Wait - how does this stack up with your previous stance - it's not torture if there's no risk of death ?

For god's sake rue, that's expecting rappy to be logical!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 8:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You kill a person by running over them with your car.

Did you INTEND to do them harm? Or did you simply not see them, and they died as a result anyway.

Murder one isn't "minutia", my friend. Intent plays a major role in the letter of the law. And that's what we're dealing with here, are we not ? Civilization vs barbarism ?

Not at all friend. It IS the intent I find as disturbing as the actions. We can never become barbarians to defeat barbarians, and we don't need to. We have a right to self-defense, but not to initiate offense. The Brits, Russians, and Americans liberated over 2,000 Nazi concentration and death camps. What they found there was beyond description. Yet the Allies conducted their business with the SS guards and Commanders without subjecting them to the things we've done. The worst of the lot were made to assist in the burying of the piles of dead bodies, but eventually they were tried for their crimes. They were not brutalized. Eisenhower and the Nuremburg judges went out of their way to establish the manner in which prisoners are treated. Whoever dreampt this shit up, Cheney or Rumsfeld, they imposed their own low moral values, and they had no right to do so.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 9:18 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Thanks for that Jong. It brings the discussion back to the moral heart of the issue.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Thanks for that Jong. It brings the discussion back to the moral heart of the issue.

I find myself in strange company on this issue today, and it's a bit weird. I am certainly not the only traditionalist/conservative who feels this way. These actions violate every fiber of my Conservatism.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 9:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Spoken like a true conservative.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:19 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Thanks for that Jong. It brings the discussion back to the moral heart of the issue.

I find myself in strange company on this issue today, and it's a bit weird. I am certainly not the only traditionalist/conservative who feels this way. These actions violate every fiber of my Conservatism.

Right you are. And it's because, as you said, it's not a conservative or liberal issue - it's a HUMAN issue, and a MORAL issue. What we do even to the worst of the worst says more about us than it does about them.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 12:20 PM

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kwickie

Stop being a troll, please. It's really fucking annoying, and takes away from the purpose of this forum.

Tell me one single thing about your post here that WASN'T trollish and really fucking annoying.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:36 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Thanks for that Jong. It brings the discussion back to the moral heart of the issue.

I find myself in strange company on this issue today, and it's a bit weird. I am certainly not the only traditionalist/conservative who feels this way. These actions violate every fiber of my Conservatism.

Right you are. And it's because, as you said, it's not a conservative or liberal issue - it's a HUMAN issue, and a MORAL issue. What we do even to the worst of the worst says more about us than it does about them.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

I gotsta say that you put the whole thing together with a couple of very pithy and powerful sentences. I don't know why so many out there cannot understand these most sacred core principles of who and what we are supposed to be as a nation.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:49 PM

And I just haveta add this ( oh the pain!).................Hey Big Shot Guys, President Bush and pals.....after all your super-mega-microscope analysis of every fucking possible 1850-Missouri-esque slobbering legal parsed-up-the-ass loophole justification for your olympic games of naked amusement and doggy-water-sports, et al al al al al alal........Couldn't ya AT LEAST have NOT written it all down like a fucking school term paper project, and couldn't ya have fucking done yer dastardly deeds without the whole fucking world finding out, you pathetic imcompetant fucking pack of idiots????????????????????? Well, couldn't ya????????????????????? Jesus Christmas, I'm so mad at this ON EVERY LEVEL it's a good thing tomorrow's Friday.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 3:04 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'll drink to that!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And I just haveta add this ( oh the pain!).................Hey Big Shot Guys, President Bush and pals.....after all your super-mega-microscope analysis of every fucking possible 1850-Missouri-esque slobbering legal parsed-up-the-ass loophole justification for your olympic games of naked amusement and doggy-water-sports, et al al al al al alal........Couldn't ya AT LEAST have NOT written it all down like a fucking school term paper project, and couldn't ya have fucking done yer dastardly deeds without the whole fucking world finding out, you pathetic imcompetant fucking pack of idiots????????????????????? Well, couldn't ya????????????????????? Jesus Christmas, I'm so mad at this ON EVERY LEVEL it's a good thing tomorrow's Friday.

Jongs, in the spirit of TRUE bipartisanship, can we engrave that rant on a brass plaque and send it to the CURRENT resident of 1600 Pennsylvania? If nothing else, just as a damn REMINDER of who we are, who he works for, and what we do and DON'T DO in this America.

The funniest part about them writing it all down? That was the exact thing that made prosecuting the Nazi war criminals so damned easy; they were so dead-set on the record-keeping and efficiency that they wrote EVERYTHING down. I'd have hoped that if nothing else, modern-day despots and would-be tyrants would have figured out NOT TO LEAVE SO MANY DAMNED NOTES LYING AROUND!!!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 3:36 PM

RUE

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I have the nasty idea they got off on writing it all down - like schoolboys sniggering over some dirty picture they drew.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 3:51 PM

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Tell me one single thing about your post here that WASN'T trollish and really fucking annoying.

Mike

Your post makes no sense, what so ever. My post were on issue, sincere and honest. Yours are childish and pathetic.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Tell me one single thing about your post here that WASN'T trollish and really fucking annoying.

Mike

Your post makes no sense, what so ever. My post were on issue, sincere and honest. Yours are childish and pathetic.

I know you are, but what am I?

Actually, Rappy, I think you're the only one who didn't get that the joke was on you. As usual.

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 4:46 PM

America loves a winner!

How can the joke be on me when you ARE the joke?

Now, go play w/ yourself. I tire of this pointless game.

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Friday, May 8, 2009 7:06 AM

CHRISISALL

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I tire of this pointless game.

Not really.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 8, 2009 7:28 AM