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If you were any smarter, I'd think of you as a traitor to the USA.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan


Pushed in front of a Cessna... Nice

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

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So if Cheney says something, it must be true and representative of all Republicans?

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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
When I read Props to Cheney,

I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan


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Yes, I hope Joe Biden gets his face sliced off by a Cessna propeller as well.

Dumbass.

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GinoBiffaroni wrote:
Monday, May 11, 2009 11:36
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I thought, finally the shit heel has hit the fan


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Yes, I hope Joe Biden gets his face sliced off by a Cessna propeller as well.

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How very... TRAITOROUS of you. You're sitting here hoping that the sitting Vice President is killed, and calling others "traitors" to this country.

How typically Republican of you.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

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Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

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You're not 1/2 the man to even think of doing that sort of shit, to Cheney or to me, so just stick that thumb up your arse and sit on it.

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You're not 1/2 the man to even think of doing that sort of shit, to Cheney or to me, so just stick that thumb up your arse and sit on it.

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Oh no, Gino - the internet hard man is gonna get you! RUN! If you're not careful, he might threaten to meet you somewhere to do something about it. As long as it's not too far from his mom's basement, that is.

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Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'. Like so many have, when endlessly talking about such issues, over and over and over and over.

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Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'. Like so many have, when endlessly talking about such issues, over and over and over and over.

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Of coarse, that is why the US invaded Iraq, Cheney was confused, and Bush was still working on that pet goat book...

Sounds about as sane as any of dozen or so other stories you have claimed as the truth

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Yeah, but Ben Franklin would have had no problem going after Muslims who want to murder us.

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Here's what KSM told the Red Cross at Gitmo:

"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/05/during-my-interrogation-
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Dick Cheney says Bin Laden is innocent on 9-11:

No, Dick Cheney was talking about Saddam, and his connection w/ 9/11. He slipped and said 'Osama' instead of 'Saddam'.

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Of coarse, that is why the US invaded Iraq, Cheney was confused, and Bush was still working on that pet goat book...

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Wow. You're a complete tool. The stupid ass video, and the whole POINT being made in the 1st place, was how Cheney was explaining how Saddam WASN'T connected w/ 9/11, that they could prove.

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Freudian slip 
noun (in Freudian psychology) an inadvertent mistake in speech or writing that is thought to reveal a person's unconscious motives, wishes, or attitudes. Compare parapraxis.
-Random House Dictionary

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
—Governor George W Bush, November 2000

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

"'We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,' Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events 'swung American public opinion in our favor.'"
-Haaretz, Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel, 16 April 2008
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html


FBI will pay you $1-million reward to arrest this American jew in AllCIAduh

"The FBI added Adam Gadahn to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and the U.S. State Department is offering a reward up to $1 million for his arrest. A 28-year-old California man has been indicted on federal charges of treason and providing material support to a terrorist group for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, including one in which he praised the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks. 'Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist, who has chosen to betray the country of his birth,' FBI Executive Assistant Director Willie Hulon said during a press conference Wednesday in Washington, D.C."
-FBI Most Wanted
www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

"In Sept of last year, Adam Gadahn [aka Adam Perlman], the son of Jewish parents, the son of Jewish grandparents [who are on the board of directors of Jewish ADL] in Southern California, who himself converted to Islam, went on to become Osama Bin Laden's spokesman."
-Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA), Jewish chairman
Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
CSPAN, Use of the Internet by Terrorists: Using the Web as a Weapon for 9/11 Truth, November 6, 2007
www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

"I'd make a great terrorist."
-Mark Loizeaux, owner of Controlled Demolition Inc, paid a $3-billion contract to "demolish" the World Trade Center "after" 9/11, bomber of 7,000 government buildings, graduate University of Tennessee Knoxville, BBC's The Third Tower

"I did watch the film of Building 7 going down and in my opinion there's no doubt that that building was brought down with demolition."
-Governor Jesse Ventura, Navy SEAL bomber, Alex Jones Radio show, April 2, 2008
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/040208_jesse_ventura.htm

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - the signed confession by US Govt for perping terrorist attacks in USA
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
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Sorry Frem, Ben's words don't apply to me. Back in the day, we took care of those who would attack us, and we didn't fret or whine about it like you pansies are doing today.

What's amazing is that, even after 9/11, slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as the bad guy here, even after all those innocent people were killed.

Truly delusional, you are.

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You mean until SELECTED PORTIONS of the interrogation memos were released.....

Cheney is right, in asking they all be released, or none.

Speaking of being a internet loud mouth, you're the one making asinine claims of waterboarding Cheney or me, simply for wanting to do the right thing. Another 9/11 was averted, maybe more than one,and you are off on some ridiculous politically motivated pissing contest over what is or isn't " torture ". I'd be funny if 3000 lives were snuffed out one day in Sept.

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I've never claimed " a dozen stories " per Iraq as the truth, moron. Only one.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So for all your vociferous arguing that Rush is NOT the de facto GOP leader, NOW you're coming about and admitting that he is?

Color me not surprised in the least. I guess you just had to wait for the official okay from Rush or Cheney before you could say it out loud.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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So when AuRaptor points out that Dick Cheney said that he thought Rush was more Republican than one single other liberal person, you lay claim that AuRaptor has proclaimed Rush the Leader Of The GOP.
Every once in a while when I forget whether you are delusional, I can stop in here and find you making it clear all over again.

So, umm, along those lines:
Did everybody see where Kwicko said Obama is his gay butt-buddy, and the dumbest President ever?

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Sorry Frem, Ben's words don't apply to me. Back in the day, we took care of those who would attack us, and we didn't fret or whine about it like you pansies are doing today.

What's amazing is that, even after 9/11, slugs like you still try to paint the U.S. as the bad guy here, even after all those innocent people were killed.

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If the Republican Party has any hopes of making any sort of "comeback", it must dis-associate from Cheney once and for all. Ideology aside, Cheney represents negative imagery for women, minorities, and everyone else who's not a Limbaugh lemming. I really don't like Colin Powell or John McCain's daughter that much, but there is truth to their messages. Republicans have to embrace the "middle", or even a bit left of the middle if they ever want to win elections again. The number one priority of any political party is to win, and taking hard-line Conservative positions will not win a general election. It's not 1980,there simply are not the demographics any more to support that traditional platform. Guys like Cheney and Limbaugh are living in the past...pre-cable, pre-internet, pre-gay rights, pre-illegal Mexican, pre-McCain, and it shows. All Cheney does is send people screaming out of the room. The necessity and results of waterboarding and harsh interrogation can and will be debated for a long time, but in the mean time, Republicans are not gaining ANY poll points by throwing Cheney and Limbaugh out to the public for explanations of actions and positions. To me it just looks like the same old shit that has cost us the last two elections, and it's a little too late for these pathetic public-image mea culpa therapy sessions.

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Jong,

If the GOP is going to survive, it'll have to go far, FAR further toward the right. Reaching out to the middle and trying to fill the vacuum left by the Dems, who have lurched far FAR to the Left isn't the answer.

John McCain showed that.

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If the GOP is going to survive, it'll have to go far, FAR further toward the right. Reaching out to the middle and trying to fill the vacuum left by the Dems, who have lurched far FAR to the Left isn't the answer.

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Last time I checked, square miles don't vote.

If the GOP doesn't get a grip on ILLEGAL immigration, excessive spending by the Federal Gov't, and a few other key issues, then this country will be lost, forever.

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I've heard it said that politics is like a pendulum and the last election was a great depiction of this. it . . . he's not).
If Obama and the Dems keep pushing the Pendulum farther to the left, sooner or later it's going to swing back to the right and swing back pretty hard.

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