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Centre-right parties have done well in elections to the European Parliament at the expense of the left.

Far-right and anti-immigration parties also made gains, as turnout figures plunged to 43% - the lowest since direct elections began 30 years ago.

The UK Labour Party, Germany's Social Democrats and France's Socialist Party were heading for historic defeats.

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Far more intriguing however is this result http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/06/08/swedish_pirate_party/index.h
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David

'Begone, sugar-free candy antichrist!' - Nathan Rabin.

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

"Don't worry. Captain Hammer will save us." - Penny.

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I wouldn't be expecting a loss of socialist programs like healthcare though, they work far too well.

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I wouldn't be expecting a loss of socialist programs like healthcare though, they work far too well.

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A stroke patient has died after an ambulance driver allegedly refused to work beyond his shift and clocked off part-way through a 999 journey.

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Yes, socialized medicine is the best system. After all, don't people with money always fly to Europe to get the best care from the top doctors and surgeons? Ooops, that's America they go to, with its' antiquated private medical care system....sorry, never mind.

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Yes, socialized medicine is the best system. After all, don't people with money always fly to Europe to get the best care from the top doctors and surgeons? Ooops, that's America they go to, with its' antiquated private medical care system....sorry, never mind.

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Only a pathetic, grumpy ostrich like you could make that statement.

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The examples are endless, but of course you live in a world of denial of reality.

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British Parliamentarians rail against their broken and inferior socialized health system, and warn America to stay away from it.

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A single anecdote disputes that Public healthcare systems far outperform private only? Nope.

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You must be just enomored with your British ducts. Ducts for everything. Ducts, ducts, and more ducts.

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How's that Dental Plan workin' out there? Not too good from what I can see of the average Brit.

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Everyone "in the know" knows that if they, or a loved one, gets diagnosed with Cancer, that it's time to get their Passport out of the safety deposit box, and start checking with those who keep track, to find out just exactly where to go, right now, for the best Cancer cure. For, if you stay in the US, and take the conventional variety of Cancer treatment, your chances of survival are slim to none.

The conventional US Cancer community is a murderous rip-off that generates shiploads of money. It provides the most horrible death imaginable, with the most suffering, the least hope, and the highest price paid. Europe, Asia, Mexico, the Islands, Central America all offer solutions that work.

In most of the US, all that's available of any real use is "underground," provided by practitioners under constant threat of law enforcement raid, for plying those things that work.

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The United States healthcare system just received another failing grade. In a Commonwealth Fund study released Jan.8, researchers ranked the U.S. healthcare system as the worst among 19 industrialized countries.

The study considered preventable deaths due to treatable conditions before age 75. The number of deaths is affected directly by improvements in health care and living conditions. In the United States, the death rate is 109.7 deaths per 100,000 people. Preventable deaths accounted for 23 percent of all deaths for men and 32 percent for women. That is 101,000 deaths each year.

The fact that 47 million people in the United States are uninsured and the vast majority of the 250 million insured are underinsured is a crime. The U.S. ruling class does not care about providing affordable, adequate health care for workers. It only wants to make a profit the working-class’s expense.

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Yes, socialized medicine is the best system. After all, don't people with money always fly to Europe to get the best care from the top doctors and surgeons? Ooops, that's America they go to, with its' antiquated private medical care system....sorry, never mind.

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Well sure, if you live in the American far rights imagination, for everyone else in the real world that's still no where near the truth.

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Liam Neeson rushed his dying wife to NYC from Canada. Johnny Depp rushed his sick daughter out of France back to America for treatment. People from all over the world go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for the finest care. The examples are endless, but of course you live in a world of denial of reality. You must be just enomored with your British ducts. Ducts for everything. Ducts, ducts, and more ducts. British Parliamentarians rail against their broken and inferior socialized health system, and warn America to stay away from it. All the top professionals leave Europe and come to America. Some stay to fix your ducts of course. How's that Dental Plan workin' out there? Not too good from what I can see of the average Brit. Damn good whistlers though.

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If you get a good job, you get healthcare. You get a good job by studying in school. I went to Motor Vehicles yesterday to renew my driver's license....a throwback to the 1840's, a nightmare, a glimpse at Govt. run Healthcare, or Govt-run anything. You want to be part of the lowest common denominator? Fine....Not me. You get what you pay for in this world, unless you're a Communist. Then you get next to nothing, and are grateful to get even that.

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In Cuba you get a free can of Russian-packed octopus when your lottery number comes up to see a doctor. Hope you like octopus.

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In Cuba you get a free can of Russian-packed octopus when your lottery number comes up to see a doctor. Hope you like octopus.

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NEW YORK - A man rushed to a Brooklyn hospital in diabetic shock died when he was ignored for seven hours in the emergency room, his furious family claims in a lawsuit. Todd Johnson, 42, twice tried to leave Interfaith Hospital to get help elsewhere, only to collapse outside and be carried back to the ER by security guards, his relatives say.

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KINGS COUNTY (WABC) -- New York City hospital officials promised reforms at a Brooklyn psychiatric ward where surveillance footage captured a woman falling from her chair, writhing on the floor and dying as workers watched without helping for an hour. Esmin Green, 49, had been waiting in the emergency room at the city-owned Kings County Hospital Center for nearly 24 hours when she toppled from her seat at 5:32 a.m. on June 19, falling face down on the floor.
She was dead by 6:35, when someone on the medical staff, flagged down by a person in the waiting room, finally approached, nudged Green with her foot, and gently prodded her shoulder, as if to wake her. The staffer then left and returned with someone wearing a white lab coat who examined her and summoned help.

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The Los Angeles city attorney's office filed false-imprisonment and dependent-care-endangerment charges against hospital giant Kaiser Permanente on Wednesday, the first criminal prosecution of a medical center accused of "dumping" patients on skid row. The charges stem from an incident earlier this year when a 63-year-old patient from Kaiser Permanente's Bellflower hospital was videotaped as she left a taxi in gown and socks, and then wandered skid row streets.

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Health Net ordered to pay $9 million after canceling cancer patient’s policy.

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Overall, according to a study published in Lancet Oncology last year, five-year cancer survival rates are higher in the U.S. than those in Canada. Based on data from the Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health (done by Statistics Canada and the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics), Americans have greater access to preventive screening tests and have higher treatment rates for chronic illnesses. No wonder: To limit the growth in health spending, governments restrict the supply of health care by rationing it through waiting. The same survey data show, as June and Paul O'Neill note in a paper published in 2007 in the Forum for Health Economics & Policy, that the poor under socialized medicine seem to be less healthy relative to the nonpoor than their American counterparts.

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Doctors say they are moving to India because of its economy, state of the art equipment, higher standards than the NHS and a better quality of life. In particular, they say hospitals in India, which many Britons still imagine to be impoverished and dirty, suffer less from hospital-acquired infections such as MRSA.

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Yes, socialized medicine is the best system. After all, don't people with money always fly to Europe to get the best care from the top doctors and surgeons? Ooops, that's America they go to, with its' antiquated private medical care system....sorry, never mind.

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Well sure, if you live in the American far rights imagination, for everyone else in the real world that's still no where near the truth.

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Liam Neeson rushed his dying wife to NYC from Canada. Johnny Depp rushed his sick daughter out of France back to America for treatment. People from all over the world go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for the finest care. The examples are endless, but of course you live in a world of denial of reality. You must be just enomored with your British ducts. Ducts for everything. Ducts, ducts, and more ducts. British Parliamentarians rail against their broken and inferior socialized health system, and warn America to stay away from it. All the top professionals leave Europe and come to America. Some stay to fix your ducts of course. How's that Dental Plan workin' out there? Not too good from what I can see of the average Brit. Damn good whistlers though.

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I'm constantly amazed by folks who are so greedy the that only thing they want out a health care system is for somebody else to pay for theirs.

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Right about what retard? That yer a nasty idiot? Yes I'm right. I admit it! Now you can go piss off. Sorry Auraptor aint here to give you what you want and need.

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Yes, socialized medicine is the best system. After all, don't people with money always fly to Europe to get the best care from the top doctors and surgeons? Ooops, that's America they go to, with its' antiquated private medical care system....sorry, never mind.

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Well sure, if you live in the American far rights imagination, for everyone else in the real world that's still no where near the truth.

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Liam Neeson rushed his dying wife to NYC from Canada. Johnny Depp rushed his sick daughter out of France back to America for treatment. People from all over the world go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for the finest care. The examples are endless, but of course you live in a world of denial of reality. You must be just enomored with your British ducts. Ducts for everything. Ducts, ducts, and more ducts. British Parliamentarians rail against their broken and inferior socialized health system, and warn America to stay away from it. All the top professionals leave Europe and come to America. Some stay to fix your ducts of course. How's that Dental Plan workin' out there? Not too good from what I can see of the average Brit. Damn good whistlers though.

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Every single person that you have mentioned has the possession of one important thing---MONEY, and shit loads of it.I would much rather be in a country whereby a pauper can have his life saved and be treated the same as the next man, than in a system where if you cant afford the fucking bed then you just die. And another thing, all of these people will naturally want to go back to America for their treatment because they will feel more comfortable at home. And as for our teeth, mine are fine, thank you.Us Brits of course are slightly less fussed about our superficial appearances.And I think you are proving to be somewhat superficial.!!

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Right about what retard? That yer a nasty idiot? Yes I'm right. I admit it! Now you can go piss off. Sorry Auraptor aint here to give you what you want and need.

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It's amazing Jong, that you scream and shout and spit about how I'm this and that, provide no evidence to back your crazy troll claims, but actually prove them of yourself.

You prove me right every time you throw an immature temper tantrum because you can't get your own way.

I get it, you're such an authoritarian nut you need to silence all dissenting opinions, preferably with violence, I'm sorry but screaming like an ignorant brainless troll doesn't make up for your inability to make a logical argument, or think for yourself.

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Liam Neeson rushed his dying wife to NYC from Canada. Johnny Depp rushed his sick daughter out of France back to America for treatment. People from all over the world go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for the finest care.

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Ha Ha Ha! You Brits and your funny ways! LOL!

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Indeed these are true facts but you cannot expect to demonstrate them to someone like Citizen without a deriding scoff in return.

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The U.S. has the highest infant mortality rate and lowest life expectancy rate for residents older than age 60 among almost two dozen industrialized nations worldwide, according to a report published Wednesday on the Web site of the journal Health Affairs, Gannett/Hattiesburg American reports (Wheeler, Gannett/Hattiesburg American, 9/20). For the report, researchers for the Commission on a High Performance Health System at the Commonwealth Fund examined 37 indicators of health outcomes, quality, access, equity and efficiency developed by the Institute of Medicine, HHS, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the National Committee for Quality Assurance and other experts. According to the report, the U.S. overall scored an average of 66 out of a possible 100 on the health indicators and did not score highest on any of the indicators (Carey, CQ HealthBeat, 9/20). The report finds that the U.S. spends twice as much on health care as other industrialized nations in relation to gross domestic product. In addition, the report finds that 61 million U.S. residents lacked health insurance or did not have adequate coverage in 2003 (Young, Bloomberg/Miami Herald, 9/21).

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Far right? Who me?

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Sorry, you have me confused with Auraptor.

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So sorry he's not around to give you the time of day anymore, but I will continue to come here occasionally just to fuck with you because you are truly a sad sack of bullshit.

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Thanks for posting Signy! Your crazy spice always makes the stew more flavorable. MMmm Good!

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

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Oh blow it out your bloomin' arse. You jump in the sewer, don't cry if you get some shit upon your blouse.

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I guess you haven't seen or you can't comprehend my posts that :

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So you are wrong again.

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You're just a fucking troublemaker looking for a fucking fight...Right?? Of course, you got nothing else goin on in your pathetic little life, and coming from the shithole where you do I can understand that. I pity you in your sad little kingdom.

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but I will continue to come here occasionally just to fuck with YOU, because you are truly a sad sack of bullshit and deserve it.

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Right about what retard? That yer a nasty idiot? Yes I'm right. I admit it!

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How's that Dental Plan workin' out there? Not too good from what I can see of the average Brit. Damn good whistlers though.

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The investors and operators were soon earning millions of dollars a year from their 49 homes. Residents fared less well. Over three years, 15 at Habana died from what their families contend was negligent care in lawsuits filed in state court. Regulators repeatedly warned the home that staff levels were below mandatory minimums. When regulators visited, they found malfunctioning fire doors, unhygienic kitchens and a resident using a leg brace that was broken. “They’ve created a hellhole,” said Vivian Hewitt, who sued Habana in 2004 when her mother died after a large bedsore became infected by feces. ... private investment companies have made it very difficult for plaintiffs to succeed in court and for regulators to levy chainwide fines by creating complex corporate structures that obscure who controls their nursing homes. ... The Byzantine structures established at homes owned by private investment firms also make it harder for regulators to know if one company is responsible for multiple centers. And the structures help managers bypass rules that require them to report when they, in effect, pay themselves from programs like Medicare and Medicaid. ... When Mrs. Hewitt sued Habana over her mother’s death, for example, she found that its owners and managers had spread control of Habana among 15 companies and five layers of firms.

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The investors and operators were soon earning millions of dollars a year from their 49 homes. Residents fared less well. Over three years, 15 at Habana died from what their families contend was negligent care in lawsuits filed in state court. Regulators repeatedly warned the home that staff levels were below mandatory minimums. When regulators visited, they found malfunctioning fire doors, unhygienic kitchens and a resident using a leg brace that was broken. “They’ve created a hellhole,” said Vivian Hewitt, who sued Habana in 2004 when her mother died after a large bedsore became infected by feces. ... private investment companies have made it very difficult for plaintiffs to succeed in court and for regulators to levy chainwide fines by creating complex corporate structures that obscure who controls their nursing homes. ... The Byzantine structures established at homes owned by private investment firms also make it harder for regulators to know if one company is responsible for multiple centers. And the structures help managers bypass rules that require them to report when they, in effect, pay themselves from programs like Medicare and Medicaid. ... When Mrs. Hewitt sued Habana over her mother’s death, for example, she found that its owners and managers had spread control of Habana among 15 companies and five layers of firms.

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I guess you haven't seen or you can't comprehend my posts that :

..Were all against waterboarding and torture.
..Support Gay rights.

So you are wrong again. You're just a fucking troublemaker looking for a fucking fight...Right?? Of course, you got nothing else goin on in your pathetic little life, and coming from the shithole where you do I can understand that. I pity you in your sad little kingdom.

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