Top Ten Reasons John Ensign Should Resign by OPPYH

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sure you do Mr. Anarchist Psychopath. Why else evn write a post to me then? God, you're fucking pathetic.

So then, by your own admission, you DO care about Frem and what he says, eh? Why else even write a post to him otherwise?

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Friday, June 19, 2009 12:46 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sure you do Mr. Anarchist Psychopath. Why else evn write a post to me then? God, you're fucking pathetic.

So then, by your own admission, you DO care about Frem and what he says, eh? Why else even write a post to him otherwise?

I'm not the one who said he didn't care, he did. I care for all, even you.

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Friday, June 19, 2009 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
God, you're fucking pathetic.

The AURaptor replacement try-outs are next Tuesday.

Please Jong, lighten up.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, June 19, 2009 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sure you do Mr. Anarchist Psychopath. Why else evn write a post to me then? God, you're fucking pathetic.

So then, by your own admission, you DO care about Frem and what he says, eh? Why else even write a post to him otherwise?

I'm not the one who said he didn't care, he did. I care for all, even you.

Do you care about the little girls you rape?

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Friday, June 19, 2009 12:57 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
God, you're fucking pathetic.

The AURaptor replacement try-outs are next Tuesday.

Please Jong, lighten up.

The laughing Chrisisall

Now that's almost pretty funny Chris, and in most cases I'd gladly oblige. If you see my post before Kwikko The Clown re-ignited the whole thing, I stated that Palin had accepted Letterman's apology and the thing was over. Not over for Kwikko The Clown however. And as for Frem The Lonely Anarchist, well he was particularly nasty to me the other day in another thread. In that thread I wrote the following..." Most poor people are not criminals." That's it. From there, your beloved snow-eating, bark biting lunatic pal went on a full-page incoherent rant at me. But I just let it go with no response. And he also went on full-page psychotic PNesque (though with more rancid vulgarity) rants against lots of other nice folks all week who were just trying to voice their opinions....people who I'd never even seen in here before, or rare posters at best. Now he's back for more, so I kept it short and clear. I can be terse, tho' laconic's tough. No wonder this place has become a ghost town. Guess i'm next. Rejoice all. Que sera sera.

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Friday, June 19, 2009 1:31 PM

Ya know, JongStrawman, that "Kwikko the Clown" moniker would be a little snappier if you spelled it Kwikko the Klown". Has more comedic gravitas that way.

But I guess since you're running away like a little baby, it's a moot point now...

Mike

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Friday, June 19, 2009 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:You know, what if someone joked about getting 'your' 14 year old daughter knocked up. If that dosen't make your blood boil, it's definently a good thing you decided against kids.

"Definently." And, ya know, it DOESN'T make my blood boil, because IT'S A FUCKING JOKE, and it's purely a hypothetical. I don't have that empathy. I never had kids, so I *CAN'T* imagine what I'd feel like if someone said that about my kids. You may as well say, "What if someone said that about YOUR Easter Bunny or YOUR Santa Claus or YOUR God!" IT HAS NO MEANING TO ME.

The fact you cannot empathize is quite disturbing to me. Add that to your incessant need to correct typos and I would say you are well on your way to a complete sociopathic meltdown.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Besides, according to some, Letterman has a far larger audience than Jongstraw so that makes what Letterman said far worse.

Ahhh - so we're back to equivocation, are we? It's not so much WHAT was said, as WHO said it. Okay, since it's all about audience size, let's try this one on:

Where was your outrage at Rush Limbaugh when he viciously tore into Chelsea Clinton? He has a large-ish audience, right? (I'm speaking numbers here, not just weight) She was a 13-year-old girl when he joked about "the White House dog" and showed a picture of her on his TV show.

Where was your outrage then? Any of you?

Please direct me to the thread pertaining to the above mentioned incident and I will freely post my thoughts. Good luck digging those up unless, of course, you have a time machine.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
As I've pointed out, it's not that the joke was about a young girl. Rush and McCain have proven that, with their own cheap shots at Chelsea over the years. And it's not that the joke was about "rape", as McCain again has proven with his own hilarious rape jokes. It's not WHAT was said, or WHO it was said ABOUT, but rather WHO said it.

Oh great, the hypocrite calling me a hypocrite. Does that cancel out?

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I can tell you why *I'M* not doing any of those things: Because I'm not offended, because I know IT'S A FUCKING JOKE.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: So in your books, anyone can spew any hateful thing they want so long as they add that it's only a joke.

Pretty much.

Jongstraw was only joking when he said he wanted to f@#k your non existent 14 year old daughter. Better take a chill pill and relax dude remember, anything goes.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Aren't you one of the people who rails AGAINST "politically correct" speech? Why is it that you're on the PC bandwagon NOW? Is it because your precious Palins have been insulted?

What do tasteless jokes have to do with being on the PC bandwagon? Have I once called for Letterman to be fired? Have I ever stated that poor taste is only a characteristic of the left?

And finally, apologies to Oppyh for derailing an otherwise enlightening thread. A bonus from the usual banality that RWED has become. Tit for tats are not debate, although certain Posters do need to be 'tatted' from time to time, IMHO.

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Friday, June 19, 2009 4:07 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

How do you go about banishing a thread to troll country again?

How about everybody take a step or two back and drop it

this was a nothing bullshit fight to begin with, and it just keeps getting more pointless

" don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, June 19, 2009 5:08 PM

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Jongstraw was only joking when he said he wanted to f@#k your non existent 14 year old daughter. Better take a chill pill and relax dude remember, anything goes.

I *know* he was only joking. That's part of why I'm not offended by it. That, and I'm a sociopath, according to you, because I can't feel anything for my imaginary children that I don't have.

Thing is, YOU on the right were so offended by - wait for it - A JOKE. As you've said, take a chill pill and relax. Letterman was only joking. Anything goes, right?

Mike

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Friday, June 19, 2009 6:04 PM

I swear, it's like poking a pillbug, innit ?

It SHOULD get old, but it don't.

this was a nothing bullshit fight to begin with, and it just keeps getting more pointless

Allow me to borrow a retort from Jayne...
"Uhh, lemme do the math here, nuthin, inta nuthin, carry the nuthin...."

i.e - twas pointless to begin with, and has not improved since.

Well, except for winding up the wingnuts cause it's funny.

-F

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:43 AM

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Well, except for winding up the wingnuts cause it's funny.

Yuppers. It's like you KNOW me! :)

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:35 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I *know* he was only joking. That's part of why I'm not offended by it.

So all of that stuff earlier directed at Finn was just needless posturing?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That, and I'm a sociopath, according to you, because I can't feel anything for my imaginary children that I don't have.

I don't have a dog. If I see someone beating theirs or one in pain at the side of the road, it means nothing to me. It does not register or elicit feelings of empathy because I do not have a dog.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thing is, YOU on the right were so offended by - wait for it - A JOKE. As you've said, take a chill pill and relax. Letterman was only joking. Anything goes, right?

You mean like comparing the First Lady to a gorilla?
Frem was right, the 'wingnuts' did get all riled up. Those leaning both ways.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:08 AM

RIPWASH

"Tit for tat"
To quote Dennis Miller: What exactly is "tat"? Where can I get it and how do I trade it in for that other thing?

I think the thread about Mrs. O was started specifically because of this thread. A joke was made by someone on the right about someone on the left and the left wanted the same "outrage" as was shown by this joke. I have quite specifically stated that BOTH jokes were in bad taste.

I think it boils down to what has been said several times and people want to ignore. It boils down to context. Letterman himself admitted that he thought Bristol was the one at the game and he made sure she was of legal age before telling the joke. So, put in context, if Bristol was at the game . . . yeah, kinda funny. But, the context changed when it was the younger daughter. A-Rod having sex with an underage girl, consenting or not, is legally statutory rape (that's where the "rape joke" comes into play). Now, just because Bristol got "knocked-up" when underage, does not (or at least shouldn't) make a joke about Palin's other daughter having sex and getting knocked-up at the ball game funny. Letterman realized this and thus his second apology. People realized that if it were about they're underage daughter (as Letterman himself said he realized), it would make them upset, so they empathized with Palin and understood her anger.

I think both Chris and Kwicko mentioned at the beginning of the thread that the joke, when directed toward a 14 year old was in bad taste. Maybe not those exact words, but similar. They were, however, getting a kick at how mad it was making other people and they were just stirring the pot. Then others fell for it and it just degenerated from there. That's how I saw it anyway.

I move this thread be closed?

Any one care to second?

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:16 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I don't have a dog. If I see someone beating theirs or one in pain at the side of the road, it means nothing to me. It does not register or elicit feelings of empathy because I do not have a dog.

So now you're comparing someone telling a *JOKE* to beating a dog?

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:16 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I *know* he was only joking. That's part of why I'm not offended by it.

So all of that stuff earlier directed at Finn was just needless posturing?

All that stuff directed at Finn was intended to question his integrity and bipartisanship. Obviously you didn't pick up on that.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That, and I'm a sociopath, according to you, because I can't feel anything for my imaginary children that I don't have.

I don't have a dog. If I see someone beating theirs or one in pain at the side of the road, it means nothing to me. It does not register or elicit feelings of empathy because I do not have a dog.

I'm sorry, was David Letterman beating one of Sarah Palin's daughters? Was one of the girls in pain or dead by the side of the road? Are you saying they're dogs?

I said I don't know what it's like to have my daughter raped. I also don't know what it's like to have my wife raped. That in no way implies that I'd stand by and watch either of those things happen. I just don't know what it FEELS LIKE to have it happen, because it never happened to me. I would like to think that if I saw someone raping a little girl (Jongs, for instance), I'd do everything in my power to stop them. But a joke about one girl being pregnant does not constitute the rape of another, any more than telling someone they're fired is equal to actually setting them on fire.

Mike

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:23 AM

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I think both Chris and Kwicko mentioned at the beginning of the thread that the joke, when directed toward a 14 year old was in bad taste. Maybe not those exact words, but similar. They were, however, getting a kick at how mad it was making other people and they were just stirring the pot. Then others fell for it and it just degenerated from there. That's how I saw it anyway.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Ripper. That's a pretty concise version of how it went down.

And yes, I *am* a pot-stirrer.

Mike

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Cuda77:
So now you're comparing someone telling a *JOKE* to beating a dog?

Yes, that's exactly what I am doing.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
All that stuff directed at Finn was intended to question his integrity and bipartisanship. Obviously you didn't pick up on that.

And you are the perfect person to question someone else's integrity and bipartisanship. I guess the kettle should know the color black when they see it.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sorry, was David Letterman beating one of Sarah Palin's daughters? Was one of the girls in pain or dead by the side of the road? Are you saying they're dogs?

Please do try to keep up. I realize my inability to physically draw you a picture is seriously hampering your level of comprehension. Until that is possible on this forum, my typed words will have to suffice.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I said I don't know what it's like to have my daughter raped. I also don't know what it's like to have my wife raped. That in no way implies that I'd stand by and watch either of those things happen. I just don't know what it FEELS LIKE to have it happen, because it never happened to me. I would like to think that if I saw someone raping a little girl (Jongs, for instance), I'd do everything in my power to stop them. But a joke about one girl being pregnant does not constitute the rape of another, any more than telling someone they're fired is equal to actually setting them on fire.

So you do feel empathy towards children. Even though you don't have any yourself.

I'm personally having a hard time trying to follow your ever changing arguments. It's almost like you feel the need to just type anything so long as you can get the last word in. I've witnessed this malaise before on this very site. I've dubbed it Citizenism.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
All that stuff directed at Finn was intended to question his integrity and bipartisanship. Obviously you didn't pick up on that.

And you are the perfect person to question someone else's integrity and bipartisanship. I guess the kettle should know the color black when they see it.

Yes, I guess you SHOULD know your color. It seems you don't.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sorry, was David Letterman beating one of Sarah Palin's daughters? Was one of the girls in pain or dead by the side of the road? Are you saying they're dogs?

Please do try to keep up. I realize my inability to physically draw you a picture is seriously hampering your level of comprehension. Until that is possible on this forum, my typed words will have to suffice.

You suck at the typing, then, because your words are just about worthless at painting the picture you're trying to paint.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I said I don't know what it's like to have my daughter raped. I also don't know what it's like to have my wife raped. That in no way implies that I'd stand by and watch either of those things happen. I just don't know what it FEELS LIKE to have it happen, because it never happened to me. I would like to think that if I saw someone raping a little girl (Jongs, for instance), I'd do everything in my power to stop them. But a joke about one girl being pregnant does not constitute the rape of another, any more than telling someone they're fired is equal to actually setting them on fire.

So you do feel empathy towards children. Even though you don't have any yourself.

I can recognize when a crime's being committed, even though I'm not the one committing it. That I can feel for a person doesn't mean I can know HOW THAT PERSON FEELS. You asked me to put myself in Palin's shoes, and I just never can, period. I don't have children, I don't have young daughters - knocked up or not - and I'm not a woman, so I *CAN'T* know how she feels. I don't know how much more plainly I can put it, since you obviously are making every endeavor to NOT understand the point.

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I'm personally having a hard time trying to follow your ever changing arguments.

You should be used to that. You seem to have a hard time following pretty much any discussion around here.

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It's almost like you feel the need to just type anything so long as you can get the last word in.

Pot, meet Kettle. Go ahead, DON'T get the last word in. I bet you can't leave it be.

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I've witnessed this malaise before on this very site. I've dubbed it Citizenism.

Funny, I call it Rappy's Disease. You seem to suffer from it.

Mike

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

And you are the perfect person to question someone else's integrity and bipartisanship.

There is no "perfect person" to do that.
Oh, was that an attempt at being clever?

FAIL.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy's Disease.

Funny how so many seem to suffer it worse now that he's gone.

This demands a funded research project.
Who'd fund it, though?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Pot, meet Kettle. Go ahead, DON'T get the last word in. I bet you can't leave it be.

Word.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:11 AM

Words.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21 AM

CITIZEN

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I've dubbed it Citizenism.

I see, because I'm one of the few people who don't do it, it's easier to name it after me than the list of people who do. I suppose naming something after yourself would be a bit narcissistic. Course that doesn't usually stop you, perhaps your growing as a troll? Soon you might become a Human being, but then you'd only have your BlueSunCompanyMan persona to troll with, that could be a problem, for you.

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Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:23 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I suppose naming something after yourself would be a bit narcissistic.

And we can't have THAT in our new Socialist Amerika, now can we?

I call it "Dumassism."

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:57 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Is this thread still going? Please, someone put a bullet in its head and let it end.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:36 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Is this thread still going? Please, someone put a bullet in its head and let it end.

So now you sanction thread murder???
A new low for us, unquestionably.

Dogsandcatslivingtogetherisall

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:13 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

DAVID LETTERMAN AND MANHOOD

http://www.newswithviews.com/Rudov/marc122.htm

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Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:59 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
DAVID LETTERMAN AND MANHOOD

http://www.newswithviews.com/Rudov/marc122.htm

Letterman shouldn't have to apologize to A-Rod because it's a *JOKE* and I'm sure A-Rod, the Yankees and all those other organizations listed get that fact too. It was a *JOKE*, an admittedly bad joke and admittedly in poor taste but a *JOKE* nevertheless.

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Monday, June 22, 2009 12:10 PM

BADKARMA00

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Allow me to point out that RWED is better entertainment than television anyway.

Much of the time it's like watching a cola truck hit a rail car full of mashmallows, heh heh.

-F

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Friday, October 2, 2009 7:18 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

what lies at the root of the blackmail?

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Friday, October 2, 2009 7:55 AM

This necropost is appropriate.

David lettermen employed women to have sex with him. I think there's a word for that.

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Friday, October 2, 2009 7:55 AM

This necropost is appropriate.

David lettermen employed women to have sex with him. I think there's a word for that.

Willow Palin didn't take the job.

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This necropost is appropriate.

David lettermen employed women to have sex with him. I think there's a word for that.

John Ensign?

John Edwards?

Are those the words you're looking for?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:28 AM

RUE

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What is a necropost ?

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:39 AM

A post thought long dead, but brought back to life. Sometimes there's even a reason for it.

You can call them Zombie Posts, too, if you like. Hard as hell to kill.

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:44 AM

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David lettermen employed women to have sex with him. I think there's a word for that.

Stupid ?

I mean, why pay for something good manners, flattery and a little class can get you for free ?

Cheap ?

Seriously, when you pay for sex, it ain't the sex you're payin for, really, it's the SILENCE, as in keepin their mouth SHUT when they ain't usin it.
Crude, but true, something most politicians go cheap on, with predictable results.

All in all though, if you have to pay to get laid, maybe you should have a look at why no one likes you enough otherwise, really...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:46 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Seriously, when you pay for sex, it ain't the sex you're payin for, really, it's the SILENCE, as in keepin their mouth SHUT when they ain't usin it. "

Damn dude, you in a bad mood today?

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Friday, October 2, 2009 8:53 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"A post thought long dead, but brought back to life. Sometimes there's even a reason for it.

You can call them Zombie Posts, too, if you like. Hard as hell to kill."

Ah ! Thanks !

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Friday, October 2, 2009 9:01 AM

Oh, I didn't mean that in a sexist way, there's boy-whores too, just sayin that when someone political, powerful or famous is payin for some nookie, keeping it quiet is kinda part of what they're paying for, isn't it ?

I've just got back from a funeral of an old friend, an argument with my state rep, and my doctor, and I look like a freakin pirate right now with this damn eyepatch, my mechanical leg, and a brace of stitches, so i'm not exactly in like a really happy place, no...

But the whole idea of payin for sex sets my back up, as Mal said in Shindig "It's the LIE of it" - so there's that, too.

-F

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Friday, October 2, 2009 12:32 PM

Or, to put it even more bluntly, you ain't payin' for the sex - you're payin' 'em to LEAVE afterwards!

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Friday, October 2, 2009 3:05 PM

lol. just overall.

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Friday, October 2, 2009 3:41 PM

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lol. just overall.

Yup. Good times.

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Friday, October 2, 2009 3:50 PM

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But the whole idea of payin for sex sets my back up, as Mal said in Shindig "It's the LIE of it" - so there's that, too.

I'm conflicted. I don't mind the IDEA of people paying for sex, and think prostitution might be better off if it were legal - except for the organized-crime aspects of it. I think there are people who'd do good to avail themselves of sex-workers (that guy who shot up the gym in Pennsylvania comes to mind) because they can't seem to get laid any other way. On the other hand, I'm prude enough that I couldn't pay for sex. Like Frem and Mal, there's just something I find distasteful about it (and when I say "distasteful", DO NOT come back with "That's why I never kiss 'em on the mouth!").

So yeah, if you can find a way to have prostitutes where they have the power of self-determination (individual rights?), then go for it. But how do you insure that they aren't victimized by pimps, whether legal or not?

Now, as to the question at hand about Letterman:

Is it clear whether he hired these women just to have sex with them? Or is it that he had sex with someone who worked for him?

More to the point, should EVERYONE lose their job if they sleep with someone they work with, they work for, or who works for them?

And if so, tell me again, why is John Ensign still a U.S. Senator? And why is he being allowed to run for reelection?

And there are SOOOOO many other great questions about Ensign, having to do with both legal AND ethical issues.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Friday, October 2, 2009 4:24 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...and I look like a freakin pirate right now with this damn eyepatch, my mechanical leg, and a brace of stitches...

But the parrot, man! Do you have the parrot?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, October 2, 2009 5:56 PM

I *knew* that was comin...

No, no hook hand, no parrot, but damned I got everythin else, I can sub in a white cat to stroke in villainous fashion though.

You know what REALLY sucks about stitches ?
THEY ITCH GODDAMN IT, rrrrrgghhhh!!

-F

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Friday, October 2, 2009 6:30 PM

RIVERDANCER

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Or, to put it even more bluntly, you ain't payin' for the sex - you're payin' 'em to LEAVE afterwards!

That's what Chef says. And we can always trust him and his life lesson songs.

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Saturday, October 3, 2009 4:46 AM