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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Seriously... this post only had 1 reply in 3 days?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Why....?

What do you know about him other than what a worldwide media biased against him has to say about him?

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MSF began to understand that the North Korean government categorises its population according to perceived loyalty and usefulness to the regime, and those deemed hostile or useless were expendable. In fact, in 1996, Kim Jong-il publicly declared that only 30% of the population needed to survive to reconstruct a victorious society. With no possibility of directing aid to those most in need, MSF withdrew.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Why....?

What do you know about him other than what a worldwide media biased against him has to say about him?

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All PC bullshit aside that would ensure we couldn't win a war on NK's terms, we could wipe KJ off the map if he warranted it and the whole island while we're at it.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I think people are more worried about Japan than they are about him hitting us.

I think that in the past we've let ourselves get scared over other countries getting nukes, been worried over whether two enemy countries were going to annihilate each other, and stuck our noses in it when nothing has happened. I think in these cases that there's a lot of truth to the idea that the countries don't really want to USE nukes, they just want the bargaining power a nuke can give them.

But I don't necessarily think we can be cavalier about one country lobbing nukes into another. Personally, I wish we'd never invented them - we have explosives now, after all, that exceed nukes in explosive capability. But since the reality is that they're real and we have them, I think that the international community has formed resolutions about nukes for a good reason. The question is how to enforce it without getting blown up.

I think lots of people would like to disarm, but that's unlikely to happen. I think that America would have to be the one to get rid of the nukes first, but we have this worry that if we get rid of the nukes, then we're going to GET nuked. Not true, because we do have a half-decent military, but no one's sensible when it comes to this.

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Disclaimer: I have a *religious* objection to nuclear weapons as a whole, it's one thing to steal the fire of the gods to power our cities, which does indeed come with it's own dangerous consequences - but to me the ultimate act of blasphemy and desecration to use such a thing as a weapon against each other.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You mean the religious objection ?

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Disclaimer: I have a *religious* objection to nuclear weapons as a whole, it's one thing to steal the fire of the gods to power our cities, which does indeed come with it's own dangerous consequences - but to me the ultimate act of blasphemy and desecration to use such a thing as a weapon against each other.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh yes, almost inevitably followed by "hey y'all, watch THIS!"...

Thankfully we were collectively smart enough to stop testing bigger and bigger bombs before we blew a hole in a freakin continental plate.

-F

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


It's just KJ's big FUCK YOU to Obama and the U.S., but it serves the dual purpose of letting Russia and China know that they can easily lob a few bombs their way if they get out of check.

I tip my hat to the guy.

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I'm utterly convinced that we will end the planet with robots or bombs or some new cool thing that hasn't been made into a Hollywood flick warning us of what could happen when we let science run amok without knowledge behind it.

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I'm constantly amazed that the majority of the people not worried about Korea, Iran or Iraq are terrified of me having a rifle.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


For the record, Mike, I'm *EXACTLY* as terrified of them having a rifle as I am of you having one. Which is to say, not one little bit. It's not the rifle, it's what the guy with the rifle DOES that makes the difference. People keep claiming that the very first thing anyone else will do if they get a nuke is USE IT. And in reality, there's only one nation on Earth that ever followed that pattern. The odds are actually AGAINST such a thing happening, if you look at it historically. The U.S., Russia, China, South Africa, India, Israel, Pakistan, England, and France are all known to have nukes. North Korea apparently does as well, and Iran soon will. Of all those, how many of them have ever used nuclear weapons against another nation in war? Pretty small minority, isn't it?

I'm not arguing whether it was better or necessary or expedient or cheaper to drop nukes on Japan. I'm just pointing out that WE are the only nation that's ever done it. As such, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement for the "moral high ground", is it?

Mike

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Originally posted by MikeWilliamson:
BTW, India and Pakistan ARE going to major war over Kashmir within two decades. Both nations are running out of irrigation water for their crops. Guess where all the water is?

Recent novels by Michael Z. Williamson
CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
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I'm utterly convinced that we will end the planet with robots or bombs or some new cool thing that hasn't been made into a Hollywood flick warning us of what could happen when we let science run amok without knowledge behind it.

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Bullshit. I find it the height of arrogance to make statements like "we will end the planet". We're puny, and we haven't the power. We can't "end the planet". What we CAN do is so fuck it up that we can no longer live on it, but the planet itself could pretty much give two shits about that. As George Carlin said, it'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas, and continue on its happy merry...


Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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I'm utterly convinced that we will end the planet with robots or bombs or some new cool thing that hasn't been made into a Hollywood flick warning us of what could happen when we let science run amok without knowledge behind it.

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Bullshit. I find it the height of arrogance to make statements like "we will end the planet". We're puny, and we haven't the power. We can't "end the planet". What we CAN do is so fuck it up that we can no longer live on it, but the planet itself could pretty much give two shits about that. As George Carlin said, it'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas, and continue on its happy merry...


Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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We will end human life on this planet. I said nothing about destroying the planet itself.... unless we do create a black hole that we can't control, then we'd destroy the planet.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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