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Out2Lunch Backs Down, Admits the 'Birfers' are Complete Nutjobs!

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Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Actually the exposition of these deficiencies and abuses occurred BEFORE they happened.

Jan 1788 in point of fact, in the person of BRUTUS, within Antifederalist papers #11 and #12.
http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus11.htm
http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus12.htm#01

Me, I don't want a "republic" OR a "democracy" - I don't want anyone "ruling" me "for my own good"!

The concept that we are all just thieving, murderous, immoral louts who need control "for our own good" has been a lie ever since it's inception, usually by those offering that control for their own reasons which have nothing whatsoever to *do* with benefit to us.

Isn't it long past time we admitted this simple truth ?

Think about it, if someone removed the "rules" tomorrow, would YOU, personally, really act so differently ?

Would you immediately turn and prey on your fellow man ?

And if those "rules" no longer protected those who DO victimise others (and protect them with the full might of a national military, no less!) from retribution on behalf of those victims, do you really think they would be so very inclined to it anymore ?

You can talk till your blue in the face about how you want a "republic" or a "democracy" or some other form of what amounts to government, but don't be surprised at me laughing, as you stand there at the three card monte table playin the shell game like a sucker.

The elusive pea of freedom is NEVER under any of the shells, you fools, and never will be - if you WANT it, you must upset the table, and refuse to play the game.

Only then does success become possible in earnest.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:02 PM

BYTEMITE


In any community, there has to be some kind of agreement and ways to resolve problems and issues that come up. If you don't like democracy, how do you propose communities reach a consensus and move to act?

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Monday, July 20, 2009 1:52 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Retired general, lieutenant colonel join Major Cook's lawsuit over Obama's birth status
www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html

Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-re
lease-of-his-birth-certificate/

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

The concept that we are all just thieving, murderous, immoral louts who need control "for our own good" has been a lie ever since it's inception, usually by those offering that control for their own reasons which have nothing whatsoever to *do* with benefit to us.


It's the theiving, murderous, immoral louts who want to rule us.

Head shrinkers call that "projection" in the loonybin.



Keith Olbermann is the Worst Person in the World!

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Monday, July 20, 2009 5:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:
In any community, there has to be some kind of agreement and ways to resolve problems and issues that come up. If you don't like democracy, how do you propose communities reach a consensus and move to act?

Very simple, the people *directly* affected by the results of that decision, and ONLY them - make the choice, with two caveats.

1. No force or violence.*

2. The agreement MUST BE UNANIMOUS.

Now, lemme illustrate why the first is so important, ok ?

Let's dispense with the myth that if you didn't use force that a decision would never come, that lie belongs in the dustbin right next to the idea that we need to be controlled for our own good - cause unless you discard these concepts why did you ever bother moving out of your parents house, yes ?

Fact is, once you remove force from the equation, negotiation and consensus actually becomes a smoother, cleaner, and often faster process, people ARE capable of getting along, never more so than without established structures encouraging them to hate over petty things like religion, or ethnicity, or what have you, that make no real difference otherwise in peoples interactions.

But once you add it, it becomes the easiest way, once you have the hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

And that is what government is, once you strip the lies away, raw naked force bent on making OTHER people do what YOU want them to do.

The concept itself is repulsive, but lemme make it crystal clear so there's no mistaking where my offense is, right-O ?

Every law, every regulation, every petty stinkin nitpick - has behind it LETHAL force, as in should you refuse to comply, then defend yourself from the thugs sent to force that compliance under threat, those thugs can and will kill you... in "self defense" of course, which is as much a falsehood as the notion that our troops are "just defending themselves" in Iraq.

So with that said - what are you, personally, willing to downright kill someone over ?

Like, maybe their garage is 2" wider than the building code allows, despite it being built long before that code was re-written that way ?

How about it then, do you think I should have to die because I refuse to mangle and rebuild my own garage on my own property at my own expense cause some other folk made a decision I wasn't even informed of, much less a participant in ?

Cause see - with the current system, that is what you are doing when you give your approval to laws, regs and the like, you are saying that you support enforcing them up to and including the death of those who fail to comply.

What's worth killin someone over to you ?

Just because you are removed enough from the actual enforcement that you don't have to get your own hands dirty or witness the carnage, does not in any way absolve you of the responsibility.

That is what my issue with it is, to be specific.


Now as for unanimous consent, well, there's two ways to get it - either kill/beatdown/incarcerate everyone who disagrees, a primitive and barbaric idiocy we STILL practice even though we pretend to be civilised, and something we damn well OUGHT to have had the moral decency and good sense to discard a couple hundred years ago...

Or, here's a novel thought - actually reason and negotiate with other people, contrary to what the established order would have you believe, that DOES actually WORK, you know!


Also, you might consider thinking about the word "community" and what the root expressions of it are, many rural communities, especially small ones, practice a form of de-facto collectivism even today, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone FORCED to participate in a barn-raising, but they come anyway, don't they ?

It all boils down to the simple fact that if left to get along, people DO get along, and what petty violence and disagreements occasionally happen in any human interaction are small in scale and rarely lethal - as opposed to when governments get involved and millions die, many of whom had no personal reason whatsoever to even dislike each other.

It's high time that we, as a species, grew the hell up, is what I am saying.

-Frem
*(Note: The simplest way to make force/violence not an option is to not create an imbalance of power by stripping folks of personal defenses.)

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Monday, July 20, 2009 6:10 AM

BYTEMITE


Your definition of collectivism is pretty close to my definition of democracy. I always assumed that if someone had no interest in something, they wouldn't bother to vote or throw monkey wrenches in negotiation.

The only people who don't do that now are the people who want to add pork barrel and loopholes for themselves into everything, I thought.

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Monday, July 20, 2009 6:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Ah, the devil of the details...

Actually the technical term behind my concept is Kropotkinist Anarchism.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents
.html

But I did already suspect that what you meant by "democracy" was actually something closer to collectivist mutualism of a non-violent stripe, just from various discussions here.

Yet I did need to point out exactly where and why my breakpoint with conventional Governments, even our own "democracy" was.

-F

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Monday, July 20, 2009 5:58 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:
Smoking gun finally found?

United States Justice Foundation
April 28, 2009

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

http://amfoi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/barrysoetorooccidentalapplica
tion1978.pdf

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

http://amfoi.wordpress.com/


President Obama = Oxymoron

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Monday, July 20, 2009 7:41 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Smoking gun finally found?

United States Justice Foundation
April 28, 2009

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

http://amfoi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/barrysoetorooccidentalapplica
tion1978.pdf

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

http://amfoi.wordpress.com/


President Obama = Oxymoron



Hoax.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_quest
ioned.htm

Come on, at least.. show some effort.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:11 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Meanwhile , patriot blogger Mark Yannone , age 52 , who has done much to publicize the Obama birth certificate / citizenship issue , has been FOUND DEAD in his home...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


PirateNews + Facts + Oxymoron.

Wow, PN - you quite literally could not be more wrong on this one:

Quote:


Analysis: Hoax. The April 1 posting date suggests it may have been intended as an April Fools prank, but given that it does little more than parrot some of the actual tenets of the so-called "Birther" movement (folks who claim Barack Obama is ineligible for the presidency due to alleged citizenship issues), it barely qualifies as satire.

Is it really an AP news story?
No. The Associated Press ("AP") never published such a story. It didn't run in any real newspaper, nor on any real wire service. It can, however, be found reposted on a plethora of anti-Obama blogs and websites.

Did a group called "Americans for Freedom of Information" release Obama's transcripts?
No. The organization doesn't exist — or it didn't at the time this message first began circulating, at any rate. A similarly-named website went up after the fact, but there's no evident connection between the website and this fake news story.

Have Obama's Occidental College transcripts been released at all?
No, nor has any court of law "ordered" them released, according to Occidental College administrators.

Did Obama attend Occidental under the name "Barry Soetoro"?
No. Soetoro was the name of Obama's stepfather, but there's no evidence he attended college under that name. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as "Barry Obama." An Occidental College spokesperson told FactCheck.org there are no records showing that Obama used his stepfather's last name.

Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?
No. According to various news sources, Obama did attend Occidental on a scholarship, but it wasn't a Fulbright, let alone a Fulbright Scholarship designated for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program is for Master's Degree and Ph.D. candidates. Obama was an undergraduate.

Did the Daily Mail mention these revelations in a news story entitled "Obama Eligibility Questioned"?
No. No such story turns up in a search of the British newspaper's archive.

Did the Supreme Court agree to hear arguments on Obama's eligibility?
No. The Supreme Court refused to consider the Donofrio case.

Did Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation release a study showing Obama has spent $950,000 in campaign funds to fight litigation over his legitimacy?
I could find no record of such a study being published. The Foundation does exist and its Executive Director is a man named Gary Kreep, but he is on record as saying this story is a hoax.



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Obama's grandmother, who had done much to confirm his birth in Hawaii, died just before the election...


Guess the "birthers" must've killed her to shut her up, eh?


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:23 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Hoax.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_quest
ioned.htm


That's exactly what I said:

http://amfoi.wordpress.com

It's just really funny to read that blog.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:23 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Read Yannone's site while you still can , before it goes down the 'memory hole' :

http://yannone.blogspot.com/


http://yannone.blogspot.com/LL ( EDIT : This page with an MP3 on it has ALREADY been pulled down...)

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:31 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Meanwhile , patriot blogger Mark Yannone , age 52 , who has done much to publicize the Obama birth certificate / citizenship issue , has been FOUND DEAD in his home...


Very interesting... The "Obama" death squads are moving into action for the Shadow Govt.

Looks like he was murdered while posting his final blog on July 17:

Quote:
Orly Taitz skewers Obama with JD Hayworth on KFYI

Orly Taitz is taking Obama down

Friday July 17

www.yannone.org/audio/OrlyTaitzJDHayworth071509.mp3

http://yannone.blogspot.com


He was a very young guy who ran for US Congress:

Quote:


We regret to inform the visitors to this website that Mark Yannone
died during the night on 17 July 2009.
Mark is survived by three brothers, David, Phillip, and Peter.

If you would like to send any notes to his family, you may send them through the webmaster.

Thank you.



Who is Mark Yannone?

A 25-year resident of Arizona
A top-ranking ASU graduate with a Bachelor of Science degree in business
A successful, hard-working entrepreneur
A dedicated independent

What does Mark Yannone stand for?

Constitutionally limited government
Maximum personal freedom - minimum government power
Maximum economic freedom - drastically slashed taxes
Individual rights
Individual responsibility

Want to know more? Have a question for the candidate? Send an e-mail and get a prompt, personal response.



ALERT! Find out why you need a gun now.
www.yannone.org/innocents-betrayed.html

www.yannone.org


My email to his websites bounced:

Quote:
The following addresses had permanent fatal errors

mjyannone@aol.com

reason: 552 mjyannone MAILBOX FULL

... while talking to air-mc03.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:>
<<< 552 mjyannone MAILBOX FULL
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable



"All political power is inherent in the people, and the governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights."
-Arizona State Constitution, Article II, Section 2


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:32 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Mark Yannone , a Constitution blogger , was FOUND DEAD in his Arizona home Monday...He was 52 years old...

Read Yannone's site while you still can , before it goes down the 'memory hole' :

http://yannone.blogspot.com/


http://yannone.blogspot.com/LL ( EDIT : This page with an MP3 on it has ALREADY been pulled down...)



Read this one particularly :

HONOLULU – Since January 24, 2009, the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children has apparently had a letter posted on its website to share congratulations on its centennial celebration from President [sic] Barack Obama.

In it Obama states, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center -- the place of my birth -- I am pleased to add my voice to the chorus of supporters."

Within an hour of WorldNetDaily posting an article questioning the letter's authenticity, noting it was used by the hospital for its fundraising efforts, a host of Internet scrubbing bubbles went to work.

The letter, an HTML-created document with no White House logo, posted on the hospital's website since January and touted by U.S. Representative Neil Abercrombie, D-HI, who is captured on video reading the letter with embellishments, as possibly the first official letter written by Obama as President, was yanked off the Internet as WND investigated conflicting reports and articles on Snopes.com asserting Obama's birthplace in Honolulu was Kapi'olani Medical Center as well as Queen's Medical Center.

According to WND, Kapi'olani Medical Center has refused to address the letter's authenticity.

In light of the letter's exposure, Snopes.com went to work scrubbing away all references to Obama being born at Queen's Medical Center, changing them to say Kapi'olani Medical Center, adding, "(News accounts have also variously reported his birth as having occurred at Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu)," which included a hyperlink to the United Press International article stating Obama was born at Queen's Medical Center.

No sooner did Snopes change its website than did UPI get out scrubbing bubbles to change the linked article, which said, "Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center in Hawaii …" to say Kapi'olani Medical Center.

Snopes then responded by removing the link to the UPI article.

During a White House press briefing on Monday, WND's White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs if he could confirm the authenticity of the letter.

Gibbs, without addressing whether or not the letter was from the President [sic], said, "Goodness gracious. I'm going to be, like, in year four describing where it is the president was born. I don't have the letter at my fingertips, obviously, and I don't know the name of the exact hospital."

FightTheSmears.com, the website initiated by the Obama for America Political Action Committee to combat all potentially negative information about Obama, including eligibility questions, has recently been taken down.

After all remaining websites appeared to have their Obama birth places in synchronized harmony by eradicating references to Queen's Hospital, on July 9, in anticipation of Obama's arrival in Ghana, ModernGhana.com posted an article titled, "History Beckons - As Prez Obama Arrives Tomorrow," stating, "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

That statement has been corroborated by Obama's paternal grandmother in Kenya, who insists she was there in the delivery room when Obama was born at Coast Medical Center in Mombasa, Kenya.

Phil from TheRightSideofLife.com quipped, "It appears that ModernGhana.com didn't get the memo …"

Over the weekend, WND began tracking changes made to Wikipedia regarding Obama's birthplace. At around 4:45 p.m. on Sunday, Wikipedia stated, "Barack Obama, the current President of the United States, was born on August 4, 1961 in either Honolulu, in the state of Hawaii, or Mombasa, Kenya to Barack Obama, Sr. …"

Several changes later it said, "Barack Obama, the current President of the United States, was born on August 4, 1961 in either Honolulu, in the state of Hawaii, or somewhere in Kenya (the refusal of Obama to release his long-form birth certificate has left this important detail without any confirmation) ..."

At least six changes were made regarding his birthplace up until 1:35 a.m. on Monday, which left it with Obama being born in either Honolulu or Kenya.

However, as of 6 p.m. on Monday Wikipedia was changed again to say, "Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu …"

WND's current billboard campaign asking, "Where's the Birth Certificate?" appears quite timely.

Copyright © 2009 Sonoran News

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:41 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:

Mark Yannone , a Constitution blogger , was FOUND DEAD in his Arizona home Monday...He was 52 years old...

Read Yannone's site while you still can , before it goes down the 'memory hole' :

http://yannone.blogspot.com/

http://yannone.blogspot.com/LL ( EDIT : This page with an MP3 on it has ALREADY been pulled down...)

I submitted it to Archive.org Wayback Machine.

I wonder how long before their servers have an "accident"?

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:44 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


'Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution states, "No person except a natural born citizen... shall be eligible to the office of president."

This invalidates the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency if, as a growing number of people believe, he was in fact born in Kenya and not Hawaii as he claims. After mounting pressure, the Obama campaign released a Hawaiian birth certificate on June 13 2008, but skeptics claimed that it showed signs of being forged.

Contained in an otherwise relatively mundane account of Obama's recent visit to Ghana in the Daily Graphic news outlet is a sentence sure to raise eyebrows amongst people like journalist Jerome Corsi, who has been at the forefront of the Obama birth certificate scandal since well before the election.

The full paragraph reads, "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

Why the Ghanaian news outlet would report that Obama was born on the continent of Africa, when this would instantly invalidate his entire presidency, is unclear.'

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=21822


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:50 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


'...On his Illinois State Bar application where it asked for other names used by the applicant, Obama stated, "none."

Allen states, "Because … Barack Obama denies he was ever called Barry Soetoro it shouldn't be a problem with transparency when it comes to producing the requested records … And because Barry Soetoro is not a citizen, as defined by the law, he isn't protected by the FOIA."

According to Allen, Indonesia has not allowed dual citizenship since 1945, and, therefore, Soetoro's mother Stanley Ann Soetoro would have been required to relinquish her son's American citizenship and any other citizenship he might have held, in order for him to become an Indonesian citizen, which school records confirm he became.

So, Allen modified his request to ask for an original copy of the immigration records pertaining to Barry Soetoro, circa 1971, when he returned to Hawaii, along with documents indicating whether or not Soetoro is still an Indonesian citizen. If not, Allen asked for documentation as to when he became a naturalized citizen.

Allen requested copies of Soetoro's passports for the years 1979 through 1982, including his Indonesian passport for the years 1979 through 1982, a copy of his passport and documented history of travel to Pakistan and nationality contained therein for the years 1981 and 1982.

He also requested a copy of Stanley Ann Soetoro's (Dunham and Obama) passport and travel history for the years 1959 through 1987 along with the same for Lolo Soetoro, citing the requests were not subject to 6 CFR § 5.21(f), which requires permission from the individual, because both subjects are deceased.

Citing the Privacy Act's laudable goals of protecting sensitive information, Allen said it only protects U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens and "does not apply not foreigners, unions, collective associations or corporations."

Allen asserts Barry Soetoro is neither a citizen of the United States nor an alien with permanent residence and said "… we know Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian citizen at the age of 7 and that he had ties in Hawaii," noting Soetoro would have had to have gone through immigration and customs at some point between 1961 and 2009." '

http://lindabentley.blogspot.com/

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I was very strange today to hear Alex Jones FREAK OUT on a caller who discussed Obama's lack of birth certificate. I've never heard Jones SCREAM at a caller before, at a psycho pitch far above his normal rant. Sounded like ATF killing wabbits at Waco. This was a old man calling in, so Jones was extra rude.

Today Jones alleged this issue is "not important", and refused to discuss all the COURT CASES past and pending on this issue, nor discuss the Pentagon cancelling orders to go to war for every soldier who sues to see Obama's birth certificate.

In his DVD "Obama Deception", Jones censored all reference to the litigation vs Obama's lack of birth certificate.

VERY strange, but to be expected if Jone's is under secret orders to control the "Patriot Movement". Jones also has Jason "Loose Change" Bermas as guest host, who also freaks out and demands all callers be murdered for discussing "jews". Could be Jones is sucking up to jews and demorats to break into Hollywood. "Rescue Me" TV star Daniel Sunjata is narrating the new Loose Change 9/11 DVD produced by Jones. Or it could be Jones has PTSD phobia about court cases, due to nearly being a convicted felon for punching brawlers into comas?


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:53 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


I suggest you get a ticket to Ghana RIGHT AWAY to track this down. Why leave it rumor and second-hand sources when you can get the definitive proof you need ?

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:58 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Yeah, this sounds "normal":

Quote:
Steve Yannone (no relation - close friend)

steveyannone at aol.com

Will provide more details when family comes to town. Close friends can contact Steve for more details. It is believed that he died from an epileptic seizure that he regularly suffered from. Sometime between Friday afternoon and Saturday morning. We'll have more details as they become available.

Many of us have known Mark since the mid 90's as a very principled and active libertarian. He was expected to be heavily engaged in the coming election cycle again. He will be missed.

Ernie

www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/053759-2009-07-20-mark-yannone-freedom
sphoenix-contributor-and-arizona-activist-found-dead.htm


I saw a Hooters girl have an epileptic seizure while standing next to a rotating/flashing red light, similar to a fire truck emergency light. So it's very easy to trigger using flicker rates on TVs (Andromeda Strain 1)...

The most important job of a county coroner is to falsify death certificates for govt assassinations. Dr Malik during Clinton Arkansides said getting arms and legs hacked off and riddles with bullets was "suicide".

Knox Co TN coronor Dr Randal Pedigo was shot 6 times by TBI agents during a raid of his home to find a gun used by local carthieves (police towing contractors) used to kill a state cop. The police death squad shot then hanged the killer in retaliation, and the coroner called it "suicide". Dr Pedigo, who was a KPD firearms instructor and pilot, was jailed for homosexual pedophile rape using "vitamin shots" (knockout drugs) on hospital staff at his home, then keeping photos after he stripped them nekked on his bed...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:02 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Plaintiffs...

( Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR Retired
Lead Plaintiff

Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al )

...have filed a Brief against Defendants' Motion To Dismiss , according to the Attorney working the Kerchner lawsuit in New Jersey :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17519578/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:14 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Not just the Ghanaians' believe Obama was born in Africa , the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States does , also .





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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:16 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Plaintiffs...

( Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR Retired
Lead Plaintiff

Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al )

...have filed a Brief against Defendants' Motion To Dismiss , according to the Attorney working the Kerchner lawsuit in New Jersey :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17519578/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/


I'll try to use those arguments in my fed traffic ticket appeal.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:27 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Indonesia has not allowed dual citizenship since 1945, and, therefore, Soetoro's mother Stanley Ann Soetoro would have been required to relinquish her son's American citizenship and any other citizenship he might have held, in order for him to become an Indonesian citizen

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship, this is true. But just because they don't recognize it, that doesn't mean it isn't there. The laws or policies of Indonesia do not dictate what the United States will or will not recognize, and the United States does recognize dual citizenship. The United States also has very specific guidelines around relinquishing citizenship, and guess what? It's NOT something that can be done by your parents on your behalf. It's NOT something that can be done to or by a minor at all. It requires personal declaration from the effected party, after the age of eighteen. Guess what else? I've covered all this before, in your first ridiculous post about this. I outlined all this, and more, with a link to the government site that lays out these rules for anyone to see if they bother looking for five seconds.
I can't believe anyone is still acting like this is an issue. Impervious to facts is right.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:33 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

I suggest you get a ticket to Ghana RIGHT AWAY to track this down. Why leave it rumor and second-hand sources when you can get the definitive proof you need ?


Obama orders the arrest of every person going to Kenya to seek his birth records, as Jerome Corsi PhD found out when he tried to pay Obama's homeless brother $1,000.

That's not the same Obama brother deported from England for rape.


Obama's CIA riots in British Kenya

Obama's cousin Odinga is prime minister of Kenya, after Obama campigned in Kenya for him and spent $1-million of his US campaign funds on that Communist campaign. Odinga and Obama massacred 1,000 black Christians and burned down 800 black churches to extort Kenya to reverse electio nresults where Odinga lost the presidential election, and creating to non-existant job of prime minister, in order to stop Obama's terrorism.

So Obama will literally hack your arms off by machete then set a burning tire necklace around your neck, if you dare go to Communist Kenya in the British Empire.


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship, this is true. But just because they don't recognize it, that doesn't mean it isn't there. The laws or policies of Indonesia do not dictate what the United States will or will not recognize, and the United States does recognize dual citizenship. The United States also has very specific guidelines around relinquishing citizenship, and guess what? It's NOT something that can be done by your parents on your behalf. It's NOT something that can be done to or by a minor at all. It requires personal declaration from the effected party, after the age of eighteen. Guess what else? I've covered all this before, in your first ridiculous post about this. I outlined all this, and more, with a link to the government site that lays out these rules for anyone to see if they bother looking for five seconds.
I can't believe anyone is still acting like this is an issue. Impervious to facts is right.


Illegal aliens and their kids are never citizens of USA, nor any other nation.

When tourists have babies, their kids are never citizens of the host nation.

Fraud always voids all contracts, especially citizenship. Obama failed to list his alias Barry Soetoro on numerous documents, like his lawyer license.

No nation can survive alien presidents. That's why there's a law against it.

Every superpower tries to infiltrait their enemies via alien leaders. Like US residents Sarkosy in France and what's his name in Bosnia or Kzachstan or wherever, that USA and Israel used to massacre Russian troops last year.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:17 AM

BYTEMITE


I thought his mother was an American? If she was a tourist at the time of visiting another country, by your own statement doesn't that mean Obama would not be granted citizenship of the country his mother was visiting, but rather her country of birth?

Whether he's from a different country or not, he's going to do whatever people TELL him to do. I still don't see how his citizenship is an issue. He sucks either way.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:17 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"But , can't get the youTube vid to work any more..."

Yeah - DAMN ! that government ! Suppressing SOLID PROOF at every turn ! I mean, if a video on YouTube isn't proof enough, what more could you possibly want ! DAMN THEM TO HELL ! It was the ONE missing link on which everything depends !

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:28 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


His Kenyan grandmother and several other African relatives also have consistently asserted that attorney (Lie-yer) Obama was born in Kenya...

What's up with that ?


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:34 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I still don't see how his citizenship is an issue. He sucks either way.


It's only a non-issue if the baby goes out with the bathwater .

In this case , the 'baby' is the Constitution , which , like it or not , still requires BOTH of a Presidential candidates' parents to be US Citizens capable of conferring citizenship upon their child by virtue of his being 'natural-born', in other words , native to the United States...

Plain and simple...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:45 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I suggest you get a ticket to Ghana RIGHT AWAY to track this down. Why leave it rumor and second-hand sources when you can get the definitive proof you need ?

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Silence is consent.


Now there's a brilliant notion...

But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO , or whatever the pRESIDENT calls himself these days ; a better idea would be for you to call the White House and demand that SCair Force 1 be immediately dispatched to Hawaii , so that the Commander-In-Thief may go to obtain records to clear this up straight away...

The Pentagon and the Kommittee for State Security (DHS), can co-ordinate with FAA for a 'photo op', then BarryO can order the pilots to buzz Honolulu fo' shizzle and giggizzles...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:47 AM

BYTEMITE


The constitution is a flawed document anyway: if something doesn't work, I'm fine with starting over with something better.

It gets some things right, but this? I don't see the consequences of a non-native president. All the arguments I've seen so far are that this is bad because it violates the constitution (in other words, the law). That's not a valid logical argument.

PN posted some examples of non-native presidents causing bad issues in other nations, so where's the evidence that's happening here, and that it's BECAUSE Obama is a non-native?

I figure, either way, he's doing stuff I don't agree with. But these challenges to his legitimacy aren't going to change anything, and really aren't winning anyone over. You want to get him out, focus on some of the OTHER bad shit he's done.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:58 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
The constitution is a flawed document anyway: if something doesn't work, I'm fine with starting over with something better.

It gets some things right, but this? I don't see the consequences of a non-native president.

I figure, either way, he's doing stuff I don't agree with. But these challenges to his legitimacy aren't going to change anything, and really aren't winning anyone over. You want to get him out, focus on some of the OTHER bad shit he's done.



If it's flawed , there are Lawful procedures in place for modifying it...

It's all a matter of planning the work , then working the plan...

Problem is , the elitist Kleptocrat ruling-class is not about sticking to OUR script , they have their OWN...

They're not about including the peons in the process , are they ?

The whole notion of REQUIRING that the President be a Citizen of native birth on US soil is to prohibit a 'Usurper' , someone with Divided Loyalties , from bringing Harm , or 'Clear and Present Danger , to the United States or its Sovereignty...

If Barry didn't like that detail , he should've Lawfully worked to Amend the Constitution aforetime .

'...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.'

--IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:14 PM

BYTEMITE


The Declaration is not the Constitution, but all right, I agree with your sentiment.

Although, it's kinda a juxtaposition to see someone talk about the methods in place to amend the constitution, then post a document that talks about long suffering leading to abolishing the forms (of government) that people are accustomed to.

Personally, I think I'd rather just start over. Take some of the ideas, but move on, rather than limit myself to the language and restrictions that have already been created that have lead to the current mess.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:15 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Obama has a US passport, which requires a birth certificate or proof of naturalization. (I know, I obtained mine with my certificate of birth and my husband obtained his with his naturalization papers) Lawsuits about Obama's citizenship are frivolous.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:31 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO ..."

Really ? REALLY ??

Well then, for the record, you're a child rapist and a drug dealer who pimps out your own infant daughter - and BTW - the burden of proof is on you to show us all you're not.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
And because Barry Soetoro is not a citizen, as defined by the law, he isn't protected by the FOIA.


Really? So if you claim that someone isn't a citizen, you can use that claim in your efforts to try to dig up "proof" that that person isn't a citizen?

That sounds almost as convoluted as the Bush Administration's "It's-not-torture-if-we-call-it-enhanced-interrogation" logic.

Shouldn't you have to prove that YOU are a citizen before even being able to question someone else's citizenship? I've never seen proof that you're a citizen, so would you please leave the country now?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Illegal aliens and their kids are never citizens of USA, nor any other nation.


You sure about that? You seriously might want to check into that a bit closer.

By the way, you are seeming PARTICULARLY desperate the last few days. You're posting stuff that is clearly, demonstrably completely false, and claiming it as fact, and then when exposed, you're trying to claim that you knew it was bullshit all along.

Your usual line of BS is becoming weaker tea than usual.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:49 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO ..."

Really ? REALLY ??

Well then, for the record, you're a child rapist and a drug dealer who pimps out your own infant daughter - and BTW - the burden of proof is on you to show us all you're not.

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Silence is consent.



The SickyNym/Ruetard Attack Squad Axis is back in action , performing their reflexive ad hominem
attacks , ad nauseum...

Actually , I'm none of the above...But , I didn't get SElected pRESIDENT by employing subterfuge and fraud , either...

The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office...Folk should hold the electees to account , keep their feet to the fire , so to speak . Like Ben 'BurntAnkles' Bernanke , he's not even elected , but he's in charge of Monetary Policy, and wants MORE power ? Ron Paul roasted his hinder regions AGAIN Today , it was freakin' HI-larious !

Hillary Clinton paranoid-fantasy 'vast right-wing conspiracy' is no doubt responsible for this , right ?

But , ever since she first painted that picture , folk have looked into her fantasy , and found nothing there , except a 'vasty nothingness' ,
and her fellow fantasizers...

You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?

Any moment now , Squicko and ShittiZen will no doubt join the dogpile , and start flinging go se , correct ?


EDIT: Jedi Mind Trick , already in progress....

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:56 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office..."

Yes, we all know that you are qualified to give us a valid legal opinion on this matter. (not.)

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"But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO ..."

Really ? REALLY ??

Well then, for the record, you're a child rapist and a drug dealer who pimps out your own daughter - and BTW - the burden of proof is on you to show us all you're not.

Because WHY ? Well, because I said so !

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:59 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
The Declaration is not the Constitution, but all right, I agree with your sentiment.

Although, it's kinda a juxtaposition to see someone talk about the methods in place to amend the constitution, then post a document that talks about long suffering leading to abolishing the forms (of government) that people are accustomed to.


If you want to start over , maybe you should seek out that book I linked to above , this past Sunday...

http://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Exile-Federal-Government-Rewriting/
dp/1595550704/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248030586&sr=1-1

Of course , I do know that the Declaraton and the Constitution are not the same , but the Declaration exhibits the Unanimity of the Colonies
in opposing Tyranny...

Both the Declaration and the Constitution are landmarks in History , for Independent-minded Thinkers...

I referenced the Declaration because you'd expressed your dissatisfaction with the status quo , and it tells of 'Abuses and Usurpations' , which we have all endured , and which are probably even more egregious now than in the times under the heel of King George...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I still don't see how his citizenship is an issue. He sucks either way.


It's only a non-issue if the baby goes out with the bathwater .

In this case , the 'baby' is the Constitution , which , like it or not , still requires BOTH of a Presidential candidates' parents to be US Citizens capable of conferring citizenship upon their child by virtue of his being 'natural-born', in other words , native to the United States...

Plain and simple...


Plain and simple... and untrue.

I know you don't like inconvenient facts, but just because you make the claim a bunch of times, that in itself does not make it true.



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:03 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Show your CITES , attack-drone Squicko !

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
The SickyNym/Ruetard Attack Squad Axis is back in action , performing their reflexive ad hominem attacks , ad nauseum...The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office..
Did I attack YOU, Out2Nowhere? My post, you sh^tstick, was not a personal attack. And Rue's was an EXAMPLE of of WHY the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Something about presumed innocent... a concept you seem to have a serious problem with. (As you do with a lot of concepts, apparently. One of them being polite conversation.) Are you such a moron that you didn't get that point?

So, if you really thought my previous post was ad hominem, I thought I'd give you one, you friggin' retard.

Obama has a valid USA passport. Go f*ck yourself, if you can figure out which end is which.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I suggest you get a ticket to Ghana RIGHT AWAY to track this down. Why leave it rumor and second-hand sources when you can get the definitive proof you need ?

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Silence is consent.


Now there's a brilliant notion...

But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO , or whatever the pRESIDENT calls himself these days ; a better idea would be for you to call the White House and demand that SCair Force 1 be immediately dispatched to Hawaii , so that the Commander-In-Thief may go to obtain records to clear this up straight away...

The Pentagon and the Kommittee for State Security (DHS), can co-ordinate with FAA for a 'photo op', then BarryO can order the pilots to buzz Honolulu fo' shizzle and giggizzles...


Actually, the burden of proof is on you. And you don't have any.

No matter how many times you say that Obama "must" show his "real" birth certificate, there's been no real and compelling reason for him to do so, other than your claim that he doesn't have one, which isn't a valid legal reason.

By that logic, I can sit here and claim that you have no legal standing in this country, and no reason to be here, and it's on you to prove that you do!

You guys are REALLY getting wrapped up in all this, and it's seriously clouding your ability to think rationally. Now you and PN are just making up stuff that is completely fabricated out of your own imaginations, and trying to cite it as "constitutional" and "legal" expertise.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:11 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Did I attack YOU, Out2Nowhere? My post, you sh^tstick, was not a personal attack. And Rue's was an EXAMPLE of of WHY the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Something about presumed innocent... a concept you seem to have a serious problem with. (As you do with a lot of concepts, apparently. One of them being polite conversation.) Are you such a moron that you didn't get that point?

So, if you really thought my previous post was ad hominem, I thought I'd give you one, you friggin' retard.

Obama has a valid USA passport.


So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?

I can see why you're getting the Government YOU deserve...

Count me out of that...

So , you're a Forensic Document Expert and Barry saw fit to Show YOU his passport ?

And , being Duly Sworn to Duty , you also examined the Validity of the Documents that Barry submitted to Obtain said Passport ?

Do tell , please , how you are so Privileged to be Privy to such Secrets ?

Was it by special Appointment and Anointing by the Obamessiah ?

Surely , you are SO Blessed among all women !


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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:13 PM

BYTEMITE


Yeah. I haven't liked what I've been seeing with the government for maybe ten years now. Before then, I was too young to pay attention, and hadn't read what I have now.

So I'm pretty new at this resist the government civil dissent stuff. From what I've observed, seems like the best thing I can do is stay informed and don't take anything for granted, because you can get lied to. And to not dismiss a concern about the government that the people around you consider paranoia, because better safe than sorry.

The more I know, the more I can use that knowledge. Don't know how to shoot a gun, don't really want to learn, so that's my contribution to making things better.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:15 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


When PN's mind unwraps itself it's just sad - he can't help it.

But when your mind falls apart - it's really, really funny. You are your own best joke and punchline. Keep at it !

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