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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
... And I am very, very upset about it right now, since one of my nieces has been diagnosed with GBS and inoperable cancer, the onset of which coincides with her recieving Gardasil despite my recommendations against it even then.

She's got maybe two months, if she's lucky - and being completely unable to do anything but watch is...
There ain't no words for it, really.

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WHAT'S COMING ?

8. The involved companies are going to demand lawsuit immunity before handing over the goods, JUST like they did in 1976, you just watch.

9. Politicians are gonna push "mandatory" vaccinations with this stuff, that's almost a given.

10. The FDA is gonna play very fast and loose with the approval process, resulting in even more of a token effort than Gardasil got.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You probably mean these threads.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38000

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38015

And if you ain't read the second one, you ought to.
Cause I happen to have called in advance how it will probably go, and just how it *could* go...

-F

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


I don't have as much issue with the concept of vaccination as I do the idea that it's somehow okay if we lose people to it, I am not okay with that, I CAN'T be okay with that, especially now.

You can't really imagine the pain it caused when she cried on my shoulder and apologized for not believing me, the horrible, sinking feeling of having so completely failed her - the thought that somehow if I had just been more convincing, if I had just found a way to make her listen...

All I can do is all that I can do, but it doesn't make the hurt any less, it's the price of our humanity, the power to love, to care, comes with it the ability to hurt - and to banish the latter requires discarding the former, which lessens us all.

-Frem

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GBS was treated with improvement, or at least survived - or barring that, the exact mechanics behind WHY some folk die because of this, how are they different than those who did not, what IS the factor ?

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Nowhere in the article did it mention that the vaccines were mandatory, or that anyone would be forced to submit to vaccination. The outreach, as far as I can see, it to make vaccination extremely convenient and cheap for those who wish vaccination. Anything else is hyperbole.

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Originally posted by rue:
Nowhere in the article you cited is there ANY mention of forcing vaccines on anyone. Ever. Anywhere. The legislation is about making vaccination - ANY vaccination - convenient and cheap. Anything else IS hyperbole.

"... you spent a good bit of time and effort flaming me when I expressed suspicion of Gardasils safety/effectiveness and Mercks motives for attempting to saturate the market as quickly as possible ..."

Actually, I did not. Very specifically about Gardasil, I did not. I have said several times that during the last 8 years I have been suspicious of studies and programs about drugs (statins) and vaccines that have come out of the Bush admninistration. I have very specifically said that I thought it was about shovelling money toward business, public and personal health be damned.

That is separate and distinct from any debate I've had with CTS about the polio, tetanus, and other vaccinations with a long history of benefits.

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The Michigan Senate was the first to introduce legislation (S.B. 1416) in September of 2006 to require the HPV vaccine for girls entering sixth grade, but the bill was not enacted. Ohio also considered legislation in late 2006 to require the vaccine (H.B. 703), which also failed. Legislators in at least 41 states and D.C. have introduced legislation to require, fund or educate the public about the HPV Vaccine and at least 19 states have enacted this legislation, including Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington. The CDC announced that The New Hampshire Health Department announced in 2006 that it will provide the vaccine at no cost to girls under age 18. As of May 2007, the department reports they have distributed over 14,000 doses in the state.

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Originally posted by rue:
If enough people are against this, it is time for democracy in action.

But I would HOPE that the discussion is based on FACTS and not emotion.

Here, have a hypothetical: scientists devise a momentum-conserving device that boosts vehicle mileage to 70 mpg. Oil companies start a campaign calling the technology unproven and the device unsafe. Citing all sorts of hypotheticals, and in contradiction to actual engineering calculations and extensive testing, they rally a small but vocal population to demand the device be banned from public streets as a public menace. As a result, society as a whole loses out on a major benefit, because of a flawed decision process which credits loud emotion more than sound policy. That is the thing one should hope to avoid.

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