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Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

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Their kind are those who want to refute the so-called 'birthers' by screaming 'birth certificate !' , which is actually the same tactic they employed at the outset , with little in the way of facts being brought to the fore by their side subsequently...

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Their faith in the obamessiah is not easily undone...Apparently , they believe all should heil the all-mitey-obamessiah...

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Kwicko doesn't like Obama, out2theblack. He's just stirring the mud puddle, like he usually does.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
O2B... what, no refutation?

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Grovelling worshipfulness of Dubya ?

You must be mad...

Surely you are confusing me with someone else...

Or , you are just confused...Might try not using that 12-pound sledge hammer on your head any more...It's not helping you...

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Kwicko doesn't like Obama, out2theblack. He's just stirring the mud puddle, like he usually does.

I don't know about SignyM and Rue, but I think their argument isn't based on that they think Obama is infallible, but rather that they think the birth certificate thing has been proven enough.

Basically, I have more faith in my fellow man than do a lot of people, least of which our country's founding fathers. I have faith that The People are willing to negotiate to workable solutions, when our representatives surely aren't.

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Guess maybe you shouldn't read with your mouth full, eh?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
O2B: You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it gave you a blow job. The biggest weapon in your "reasoned debate" armamentarium seems to be name-calling, and the second seems to be putting words in people's mouths...

...You hardly respond on-point to a dissenting opinion. If anyone is trying to shout down anyone, it's you, my friend, with your dishonest, self-pitying posts.

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Guess maybe you shouldn't read with your mouth full, eh?

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Yes , because you're so danged funny , I keep spewing lunch all over the monitor !

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pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
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'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Your desperation is showing , and I REALLY like that...

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...And it sounds kind of creepy and gross, you saying that you REALLY like your women to be showing their desperation!

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Back to topic :

pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
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'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

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Back to topic? How do you figure this tripe has anything to do with "the topic"?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I love Orwell's books. 1984 is pretty much one of three dystopic books that built the foundations of how I view government.

I agree with everything you just said, and I ask, if you think our Republic has turned into an oligarchy, what do you think would stop a republic, newly rebuilt upon the ruins of this old one, from traveling down the same path?

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This is what my problem is with a republic. I believe that the upwards concentration of power is inevitable, until finally you declare yourself an empire, and corruption lurks within every facet of your system.

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>_> I don't like Republics. I think they are dishonest, and manipulative, and inevitably lead to corruption and downfall.

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...And it sounds kind of creepy and gross, you saying that you REALLY like your women to be showing their desperation!

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StickyNymph isn't one of MY women...I'm actually not in that b'ness...

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Folk do notice , though , that she sticks with you and the ruetard...

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You and your man , ScamBO , plainly don't care for 'the rules'...

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That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

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Ending 'usury' , except by community-owned banks...

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VIDEO: "Manchurian Candidate Obama"
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#32177752

He includes the following for targeting and profiling:

People who believe that the Bilderberg Group impacts international policies

People who question the Federal Reserve's intentions

People who question the income tax

People who care about US borders

People who wonder why the government consistently attempts to circumvent the 2nd Amendment

People who believe that what happened on 9/11 is different than what the government has told us

People who voted for Ron Paul

People who question anything the government has told us over the past 100 years.

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You and your man , ScamBO , plainly don't care for 'the rules'...

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Wait - are you going to explain "the rules" to me again? I especially love the part where you try to explain to me what the "natural-born citizen" clause of the Constitution says, because that NEVER gets old, listening to you try to make claims that are plainly NOT in the Constitution.

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That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

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So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Seems you have a problem with free speech, at least when it comes to someone using it to shoot down your ridiculous claims, outright lies and utter bullshit.




Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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O2B: You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it gave you a blow job. The biggest weapon in your "reasoned debate" armamentarium seems to be name-calling, and the second seems to be putting words in people's mouths. If you think "shouting down the small voices of dissent" means bringing up facts (Obama has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there was a birth announcement on the newspaper at the time) and logic (This would place the beginning of your "conspiracy" all the way back to Obama's BIRTH. Like they knew he was going to be President some day...?) then those "small voices of dissent" must be awfully fragile, easily blown away by the winds of logic.

So, Small Voice of Dissent: WHO did I try to get banned? Name names. Point to the post. Back up your statement with a fact.

Because, for the record, I have NEVER tried to get anybody "banned".

Where have I expressed unwavering support of Obama? Am I not decrying the corporate/ bank bailout on an almost weekly basis? Have I not criticized him for supporting the telecoms immunity from prosecution, keeping Abu Ghraib photos secret, furthering the use of signing statements, claiming "state secrets" privilege, and proposing indefinite preventive detention?

Because, for the record I am NOT an Obama fan.

You hardly respond on-point to a dissenting opinion. If anyone is trying to shout down anyone, it's you, my friend, with your dishonest, self-pitying posts.

O2B... what, no refutation? Well, I know that won't prevent you from coming up with the same old crap very soon. I just wanted to make a point about your dishonesty. And you made it for me. Thanks!

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Like , how do you type with your mouth so full , Ms. Reasoned Debate ?

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So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

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Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real
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By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jul 28, 1:54 am ET

HONOLULU – State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.
They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.
"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
So-called "birthers" — who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States — have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.
Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama's beginnings. Hawaii's Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.
The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They've challenged his citizenship in court.
One widely circulated YouTube clip of a town hall meeting showed a Republican congressman getting booed for saying Obama is a citizen. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs have also raised the issue, and 10 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.
However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."
State law bars the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
However, Obama's birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that's done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.

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I am now of the opinion that the question needs to be settled, so it is my hope that soldiers will continue to challenge the President in such numbers until he produces the document.

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So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Seems you have a problem with free speech, at least when it comes to someone using it to shoot down your ridiculous claims, outright lies and utter bullshit.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of a week now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He did pop his pumpkin-sized head up in another thread on Wednesday, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

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Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of a week now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He did pop his pumpkin-sized head up in another thread on Wednesday, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

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Since you brought it up again, why is it so important to YOU?

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You still haven't apologized for calling me a racist. A complete lie which you tried stawmanning my argument with.

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You don't see me hounding you about your media not affecting today's youth comment.

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I was just curious, why the double standard? Why not let other's off the hook as has been done for you?

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No, instead I see you "hounding" me about you being called a racist. BTW, I *did* apologize for that. Twice. I told you I was sorry I mistook you for a racist, when clearly you're an authoritarian lapdog. Maybe you haven't gotten that far in the thread yet. I'll wait.

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And by the way, why is it so important to you?

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I'm curious, too: why do YOU have a double standard? Why are you so willing to let "other's" off the hook, yet you keep following me from thread to thread hounding me...

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In other words, I've got nothing.

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I've got nothing.

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And yet you still respond to my every post as if that "make's" you the winner of something.

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Orly Taitz responds to forgery charges
Orly Taitz, the birther lawyer who released the document that was supposedly a copy of President Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, has now taken to her blog with an angry screed in response to the evidence that her find is in fact a poorly done forgery.

Referring to the discovery that the purportedly Kenyan document was almost certainly based on a copy of a birth certificate issued for an Australian man, David Jeffrey Bomford, Taitz writes, "Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream (sic) media came up with this Bomford report in order to stop my efforts in exposing and prosecuting Obama. Though typically I don’t have time to waste on each and every dumb obot, since it got to National TV and my children's friends called my children, I’ll spend a few minutes to debunk the obots." She continues:

1. Kenya became an independant (sic) country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct ...

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7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the net, which doesn’t have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures.

8. Chioumi Fukino (sic) and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).

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And the idea that the Bomfort document on which the forgery was based "was created to try to discredit my efforts" is pretty ridiculous -- Archive.org shows it linked to on the site from which it was taken as far back as 2007.

Finally, the "Chioumi Fukino" Taitz refers to is in fact Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, who has repeatedly verified that the state has Obama's birth certificate on file and that he was in fact born there. She's become a birther target for doing so.

In another post to her blog, Taitz asked only, "If Kenyan BC that I provided would not be genuine, Hillary would not be rushing to Kenya, would she?"

Of course, Clinton's trip to Kenya was actually announced and briefed by the State Department before Taitz released the forgery.

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By the way, here's the "real" birth certificate posted by internet dentist and online lawyer Orly Taitz:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-
in-kenya.htm

Oddly, one of the birfer arguments against Obama is that his mom was not old enough to confer citizenship to her son if he were born outside the U.S. That allegation is not supported by the poorly-made forgery posted on Taitz's website, since it lists her age as "18 years" - surely old enough to confer citizenship!

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blah blah blah Kenya's official independence was in 1963 blah blah

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, here's the "real" birth certificate posted by internet dentist and online lawyer Orly Taitz:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-
in-kenya.htm

Oddly, one of the birfer arguments against Obama is that his mom was not old enough to confer citizenship to her son if he were born outside the U.S. That allegation is not supported by the poorly-made forgery posted on Taitz's website, since it lists her age as "18 years" - surely old enough to confer citizenship!

It's also kind of funny that this "birth certificate" provides exactly NONE of the information that birfers dismiss the ACTUAL birth certificate from Hawaii for not providing. And this one has the added advantage of being filled out three years AFTER Obama's birth, in a city that wasn't in Kenya then...

Look at all the pixelation around so much of the lettering. Looks to be not only a photochop job, but a really, really lousy one at that.

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