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Originally posted by Kwicko:
According to his own report, Crowley maintains that Gates was "yelling". According to Massachusetts law (per the O'Donnell article cited above), "yelling" isn't a legal cause for arrest for disorderly conduct.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Hero:

Your being silly.

Disorderly Conduct is a broad charge and covers a lot of things...but those things it covers are specifically defined. I've seen it cover everything from a loud stereo to a bar fight.

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So, it covers SOOOO many things, yet it is specific.

"Your" being an idiot.

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I wonder if he would have allowed such a disturbence in his classroom...

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Hero, STFU. It's not comparable, and you know it. You're just playing the reasonable authoritarian card- but lo! Turn it over & it's the Nazi Joker! Who woulda thunk it?



The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Hero:
And the arrest was not for yelling, it was for refusing to stop.

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DOCs are a tool to keep the peace.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ohio, that bastion of free speech, where peacable anti-war protesters were dealt with... by having the National Guard open fire upon them at Kent State University.

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Originally posted by Hero:
idiot college professors who wont calm down.

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He'da calmed down if left alone after being identified as the person who lived there, but for the cop it became a game of "Because I said so"...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup, and someone had the gall to tell the all-powerful cop that "Because I said so" is not a valid legal reason.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
the system is set up so it ISN'T a legal reason, until it IS, and it IS a legal reason right up until the moment it ISN'T.

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So sorry H. Too late to switch careers now, eh?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/29/massachusetts.officer.email/index.htm
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Hello,

This is an article about an incident involving a racist officer.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
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Hello,

This is an article about an incident involving a racist officer.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, you have to bear in mind that "Hero" lives and works for The Man in Ohio, of all places. Ohio, that bastion of free speech, where peacable anti-war protesters were dealt with... by having the National Guard open fire upon them at Kent State University.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Even "Hero" can't figure out if it is or isn't. And note for the record that the charge against Gates has been dropped. But in my experience, the cops almost always drop the charges if they were legal and justified. After all, you sure wouldn't want to go to court against someone if you had a legitimate charge against them, would you?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
the system is set up so it ISN'T a legal reason, until it IS, and it IS a legal reason right up until the moment it ISN'T.

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LOL, you just made Hero's profession & core beliefs look like the bread & circus show it really has come to be.
So sorry H. Too late to switch careers now, eh?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
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Hello,

This is an article about an incident involving a racist officer.

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Originally posted by Hero:

I think comparing the Kent State shooting to this incident where a black liberal intellectual allowed his racism, elitism, and sense of entitlement get the better of him is pretty silly.

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Nothing is simply black and white.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So nothing is simply black and white, in your view, unless the incident involves a "black liberal intellectual" - in which case it's clearly HIS racism, HIS elitism, and HIS sense of entitlement that led to this.

Thing is, I can say the exact same thing about the white cop and HIS racism, elitism, and sense of entitlement, and it's exactly as valid a claim as you've just made.

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The police recieved a 911 call saying two men where breaking into the house, an area with a recent string of robberies.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So nothing is simply black and white, in your view, unless the incident involves a "black liberal intellectual" - in which case it's clearly HIS racism, HIS elitism, and HIS sense of entitlement that led to this.

Thing is, I can say the exact same thing about the white cop and HIS racism, elitism, and sense of entitlement, and it's exactly as valid a claim as you've just made.

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So Hero is Yin to your Yang.
Hero according to you is just an authoritarian neo-con lapdog, guess that makes you a looney bleeding heart lefty wack-job huh?

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Originally posted by rue:
Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’s outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
The Gates yelled at him in front of other police officers. At which point the officer " lost face", and had to arrest somebody to protect his own dignity and standing among his gang of fellow thugs.

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Originally posted by rue:
So, Gates got arrested - not for being violent, or even theatening, or exhibiting disorderly conduct (yelling at police is exempt, remember) - but for WHAT again ?

You tell me 'Hero' - what did he do that was illegal ?

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Originally posted by Hero:
Being disorderly in public and NOT stopping when asked is illegal.

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I know you "hate the Man" types like to feel all oppressed cause you get a speeding ticket or can't blast your stereo at all hours. So go ahead...whine a little more like the little bitches you all dream of being.

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A lawyer who moments earlier had been complaining to friends about police overreaction in the arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., got a taste of the Gates treatment himself after loudly chanting "I hate the police" near a traffic stop in Northwest Washington, D.C.

Pepin Tuma, 33, was walking with two friends along Washington's hip U Street corridor around midnight Saturday, complaining about how Gates had been rousted from his home for not showing a proper amount of deference to a cop. "We'd been talking about it all day," said Tuma. "It seems like police have a tendency to act overly aggressively when they're being pushed around," Tuma recalled saying.

Then the group noticed five or six police cruisers surrounding two cars in an apparent traffic stop on the other side of the street. It seemed to Tuma that was more cops than necessary.

"That's why I hate the police," Tuma said. He told the Huffington Post that in a loud sing-song voice, he then chanted, "I hate the police, I hate the police."

One officer reacted strongly to Tuma's song. "Hey! Hey! Who do you think you're talking to?" Tuma recalled the officer shouting as he strode across an intersection to where Tuma was standing. "Who do you think you are to think you can talk to a police officer like that?" the police officer said, according to Luke Platzer, 30, one of Tuma's companions.

Tuma said he responded, "It is not illegal to say I hate the police. It's not illegal to express my opinion walking down the street."

According to Tuma and Platzer, the officer pushed Tuma against an electric utility box, continuing to ask who he thought he was and to say he couldn't talk to police like that.

"I didn't curse," Tuma said. "I asked, am I being arrested? Why am I being arrested?"

Within minutes, the officer had cuffed Tuma. The charge: disorderly conduct -- just like Gates, who was arrested after police responded to a report of a possible break-in at his home and Gates protested their ensuing behavior.

D.C.'s disorderly conduct statute bars citizens from breaching the peace by doing anything "in such a manner as to annoy, disturb, interfere with, obstruct, or be offensive to others" or by shouting or making noise "either outside or inside a building during the nighttime to the annoyance or disturbance of any considerable number of persons."

The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has said that the city's disorderly conduct law is "confusing, overbroad, frequently used by police to harass disfavored individuals" and that it "violates constitutional rights of free speech, assembly and petition."

Tuma spent a few hours in a holding cell and was released early Sunday morning after forfeiting $35 in collateral to the police, he said. A "post and forfeit" is not an admission of guilt, and Tuma doesn't have a court date -- but the arrest will pop up if an employer does a background check.

Tuma filed a complaint with the D.C. Office of Police Complaints, alleging a lack of probable cause, a false arrest, and that the officer used harassing and demeaning language -- Tuma alleges the officer called him a "faggot." Tuma has retained a lawyer. He might sue if he's not satisfied after a meeting with the complaint office on Thursday.

"I have an actionable claim," he said.

The Huffington Post obtained a copy of the collateral/bond receipt that lists the charge, but the D.C. Police Department declined to comment and the arresting officer did not answer or return calls to the station.

While the Gates incident has largely been treated as a story about race, many have noted, from the Los Angeles Times to Christopher Hitchens to Maureen Dowd, that the incident said as much about police use of disorderly conduct laws. Tuma agrees.

"People talk about the Gates thing in terms of race, but it's an ongoing problem of police using disorderly conduct to shut people up," Tuma said.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Free speech laws protect us from attitudes like this one in the hands of authority.

Or they might have, if not for 'public disturbance' laws.

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*I have a dream... one in which Hero is framed for murder, and the frame works. He is stripped of former life, and is LEGALLY sent to the United States Prison at Manhattan Island. There he meets Snake Plisskin, who he irritates with talk of still supporting the laws of this great & noble country...*

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Originally posted by rue:
He did ? Really ? I thought yelling at a cop (assuming he did, of course) was exempt. So, putting that aside, b/c it's not a LEGAL reason to arrest him - what EXACTLY did he do wrong ?

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I long for the day that a citizen of this country can tell a gaggle of police officers to go fuck themselves without fear of reprisal.

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Excerpt from police report re: arrest of aka AnthonyT: "...suspect then proceeded to ram the nightstick up his own anus. Officers asked him to stop and when he refused to stop hitting himself he was tasered for his own safety."

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I long for the day that a citizen of this country can tell a gaggle of police officers to go fuck themselves without fear of reprisal.

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I invite you to go to the police station...make sure nobody is around (otherwise it could be Disorderly) except for you and the officers, and then say what you feel.

Yep, just you, your freedom of speech, and a roomfull of police officers who you've just insulted. I'm sure that would be just fine.

Excerpt from police report re: arrest of aka AnthonyT: "...suspect then proceeded to ram the nightstick up his own anus. Officers asked him to stop and when he refused to stop hitting himself he was tasered for his own safety."

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Ain't just that they're goons which bugs me so, it's also that they're *badly trained* goons, and that's even worse!

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I pointed out my business card tucked neatly behind his buckle.

Dumbass.

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So you're officially in favor of police brutality for the crime of a citizen exercising his legal rights to free speech, eh? Color me not surprised in the least.

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Besides, after you've had your free speech...who are you to deny them their right to freedom of expression or right to rebuttal?

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