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Odumba's Cars.gov hijacks your computer for Govt Motors!

POSTED BY: PIRATENEWS
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:47
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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:56 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




WARNING: DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK!!!

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"This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the US Government. Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
- www.CARS.gov



Odumba's $1-billion Cars For Clunkers program "ran out of money" after 4 days.

The largest owner of clunker cars is the mafia towtruck chopshop cartheft cartel, that is given free title to any car listed as stolen in police NCIC database.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 4:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wrong, yet again.

When are you going to learn that Glenn Beck is NOT a reporter, and he doesn't do "news" or anything remotely related to fact-based content?

The "hijacking" you refer to isn't any part of the CARS.com website, or anything that YOU sign up for. It's on part of the DEALER area of the program, and it's worded in exactly the same lawyerese boilerplate as every piece of software that you have to press the "ACCEPT" button to use.

This has been roundly and soundly debunked from all corners already.

Man, you really ARE slipping, PN. Time to up the dosage on your self-medication schedule.



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:12 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I do not think it matters if this applies only to dealers or not. It's not as though it's okay for dealers to give up their rights to use a website.

And it matters little to me if microsoft has a similar disclaimer. (Though I suspect theirs is a touch less broad.)

In fact, I'd love to see everyone so enraged by this that the whole practice gets outlawed. These kinds of 'disclaimers' where you surrender all your rights when you walk in the proverbial door are criminal.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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In fact, I'd love to see everyone so enraged by this that the whole practice gets outlawed. These kinds of 'disclaimers' where you surrender all your rights when you walk in the proverbial door are criminal.



Actually, according to the USA PATRIOT Act, they aren't.

What is there in this "disclaimer" that's really new or any different from warrantless wiretaps and "fishing-expedition" searches? Do you honestly think that if the big bad government wants to poke around in your computer that they need you to click the "I ACCEPT" button to enable them to do that?

If you ever thought you had an expectation of any type of privacy on your computer or online, you were sadly mistaken.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you. I think it sucks, too.

Wanna fix it? Get that stupid "PATRIOT" Act repealed, and send a clear message to your government: You wanna poke around my life looking for something illegal to implicate me with? Screw off! Build your case the old-fashioned way, with actual police work, ya lazy bastards!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:36 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Perhaps if the argument is framed properly, more people might take note and become outraged.

Someone could perhaps put a sign in front of government buildings, saying,

"By entering this facility you agree to become the property of the US government, our slave to use as we see fit."

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:46 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The "hijacking" you refer to isn't any part of the CARS.com website, or anything that YOU sign up for. It's on part of the DEALER area of the program, and it's worded in exactly the same lawyerese boilerplate as every piece of software that you have to press the "ACCEPT" button to use.


Actually...its a bit more then boilerplate. But it seems limited to the information in the dealer computer. Information like all your personal information that you gave them. Information like the terms of the deal you made and how payments are structured. Account numbers, information, etc.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:12 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Not only the USPATRIOT Act (which I was railing against even before it passsed) but the DMCA need to be repealed. One gives your rights over to government, the other to corporations.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



And then again, you can use the Debian distribution of Linux and Firefox web browser. No backdoors built in by Microsucks. Viruses would need root access in order to load, which most operators will deny. The whole operating system is available for inspection, meaning many eyes on the same software will reveal hidden flaws quickly.
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The structure of Linux makes writing a virus very difficult as it requires root access to do anything of significance. For a virus to run it would have to be granted root access with a password request. If you fail to give it root access then the most a virus could do, if anything, is damage your home directory. It is unlikely it could even run again so it would die there in your home directory. Most smart Linux users grasp the power of root access and would question why an unknown program is suddenly requesting root access. (You don’t enter your password for just ANY prompt do you? Only for programs YOU have called up, right?) –
Linux isn't bullet-proof: If you run Windows in virtual-machine-mode, the Windows software will introduce its own vulnerabilities. Some software on top of it (KDE, Gnome) have .desktop extensions which will allow foreign software to load... but then again, we've disabled it. There may be some buffer overflow viruses coming along... maybe. But all in all, more secure than OSX, and infinitely better than Microsux, which not only has unintended vulnerabilities but also has actual built-in back-door access. (MS Back Office used to be known as Back Orifice).

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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What is there in this "disclaimer" that's really new or any different from warrantless wiretaps and "fishing-expedition" searches? Do you honestly think that if the big bad government wants to poke around in your computer that they need you to click the "I ACCEPT" button to enable them to do that?

Yeah really - just like the privacy policies of those telecoms that they immediately violated and then went pissing and moaning to the Gov to beg retroactive immunity for.

One of my health care providers, which in theory would provide my prescriptions, if I had any, at a price plus deductible which'd make it cheaper to get em from certain canadian suppliers anyways, was pestering me to fill out some kinda survey and got an earful about that on monday.

"Lemme get this straight, why am I supposed to believe you won't share this information when you have no PURPOSE to collect it other than that, and why should I take the word of a large corporation known for not respecting folks privacy no matter what you SAY when it's pretty clear that businesses in general cannot be held to those kind of agreements ?"

The whole idea of contracts in this day and age is a joke, when one side can force it on the other, and write it so they are held to nothing and can change and rewrite the conditions at any time without agreement or even notice - and yet holds the other side to everything ?

And even then, remember my ex has a mortgage contract that had a specific provision within it I had added at considerable expense by my lawyer, stating that selling, marketing or trading the loan to citigroup or any of it's affiliates would instantly constitute breach of the whole and invalidate it - something which they immediately did, but would cost more to enforce than it would to pay off the goddamn mortgage.

So much for little miss lets-play-by-the-rules and her conception that they're fair - she's still pissed at ME for wrecking her illusions.

Me on the other hand, when I have to make contract with someone, I make REAL sure that the person most directly responsible knows I'll hold them personally responsible individually for a breach thereof and will be decidedly pissed about it, law or no law, and very specifically at THEM.

Conversely, if you got my word on something, it's as good as coin in hand, most scooter engine and parts suppliers will ship on my word alone cause they know I am *that* good for it, and the money will be in their pocket as soon as I can manage to put it there.

People, some of em, can be trusted - corporations and governments aren't people, they're things, collectives, which do what benefits them irregardless of morality.

It's one thing to make issue from a thousand miles away with emails that will be ignored, phone calls which go into phonetree hell, and letters that get round filed - and far and away another when you're face to face with someone who's neck is in your physical reach and they begin to realize there might be a rather... erm, personal disadvantage to continuing to give you the shaft.

Anyhows, that's one reason I severely favor contract enforcement as a collective, community agency even in a voluntaryist society, and with real serious teeth and not much in the way of mercy.

-F

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