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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just so I could fix the title...

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The test was among 16 unorthodox experiments suggested by Japanese schoolchildren to see how various items performed in zero gravity. Others included how to fold and store laundry when the garments kept floating away, and how to administer eyedrops in space.

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I think other facets of life might show improved efficiency as well with unisex teams.

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I said I don't know of any way to solve the problem.

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Heterosexual rapists do not rape b/c they are in mutual conflict with a particular women. They (for the most part) intentionally set out to find a victim. The statistic that most victims 'know' their rapists includes a first-time casual meeting in a bar minutes or hours before a rape, which is a common situation.

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Originally posted by rue:
Bytemite:

PLEASE !

While I'm using prison statistics to show how it is that males when confined together rape more than females, this has nothing to do with normal insitutions where reasonably normal people are voluntarily together for a specific purpose; and without guards and staff with weapons and a helpless population.

Try not to confuse the two, will you ?

(But if you WANT to discuss the issue, male prison guards and staff rape more often than female guards and staff. You happy now ?)

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I'm about to go home, but on the way, I'll try to think of a power structure that I don't consider military. I think the distinguishing line may involve guns and/or threats of force/death/violence in the case of non-compliance.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Generally it's an Anarchist thing, and we're all slobbering mad terrorist bomb throwers, don't ya know...
*cue dripping sarcasm*

-F

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And yet, when the passengers act in a non-military model - for instance, acting in concert (and without orders or permission) to disarm a threatening co-passenger - things not only don't fall apart, they actually - go better.

What I am saying is that the military model is not necessary and may even be detrimental to many types of missions and institutions. Long-term space missions for example, would be profoundly harmed by a militaristic model, specifically b/c the model selects for socially maladaptive outcomes. For example, heightening of aggression and depersonalization that (select for and) lead to rape, fragging, assault, random shooting of civilians etc. Do you think THAT is a requirement for space missions ?

I know a lot of people have been raised on science fiction that leans heavily on the military stereotype. But that falls apart in the face of reality, where the group NEEDS every member to willingly cooperate and contribute, where friction and resentment are measured in lowered chances of survival, where social predators drain more than they contribute and there is no slack.

Another example, and I think a stellar one, of long-term missions is the scientific base in Antarctica. If you read up on it, you will find it is not at all militaristic.

The airline btw in not militaristic - b/c the vast number of the 'members' - the passengers - are not trained, and b/c the airline is specifically charged with the well being of its passengers and crew - a mindset that is the exact opposite of the military one. A pilot or crew member who was aggressive would be a detriment to the flight.

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Originally posted by rue:
Frem

Give it up. Even your VFD and bake sale have leaders, rules, and enforcement. AND they depend on people following commonly internalized rules: you can't use flour laced with lots of rat feces in your cake as a way to try and use it up. The guy with airpak training gets to use the airpak - no one else.

Just b/c one has a leader, rules and enforcement doesn't make the organization a 'military'.

To use the example of the peaceable baboons - it's not like males don't violently contest - they just don't take their aggressions out on helpless baboons. Violent-dominant baboons that join the troop stop picking on everyone. Baboons that leave the troop revert to regular baboon behavior.

THERE ARE SOCIAL RULES THAT ARE ENFORCED EVEN IN PEACEFULLY TRANSFORMED SOCIETIES.

Social rules are NECESSARY to a peaceable society.

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