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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/08/11/2026745.aspx


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

They can start 'shoo'ing me, sir. I support Ron Paul.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
At least adopt a temp avatar while thinking...

These were ranked the most evil avatars:









Anthony, never get in the way of fire aimed at wulf :)

Wulf, no offense intended man.

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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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I didn't shoot nobody no sir! I emphatically deny these charges!"
-Lee Oswald

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Anyhows, this guy was a bonehead and exercising poor judgement, but that's his decision to make, and he was well within his rights - his intent, I believe, was to remind people of exactly those two things, although I rather think he did so in a damned counterproductive fashion.

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Something can be strictly LEGAL, and still be both stupid AND wrong.

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But the truth is... those who chose to lead need to KNOW, not guess, that they can and WILL be brought to account for the mistakes/treachery they pull.

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I'll have an apology, Siggy, or we're done talkin on a mutual respect level.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Um, wow.

You both don't really mean you've lost complete respect for each other, right? That's just a heat of the moment thing, isn't it? I mean, people can disagree here without that being a cause for loss of respect, can't they?

We've all known Frem carries guns and sees them as a survival tool, that hasn't changed, so if there was respect for him before it can't have been lost by him reasserting this.

And he has said that he thinks this guy was being stupid, I don't see really where he disagrees with you all that much, SignyM. :?

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You know how the right to swing my fist ends with your nose? Well, the right to carry a weapon ends when it constitutes a threat.

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Oh hell no, that's just the last damned straw.... So shut the fuck up.

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Yeah, but none of those really speaks to me. A bunny with pancakes on its head is odd and cute, but I don't know if it really gets the essence of the "real" virtual me. And I certainly am not a highwayman or thief. And skulls are just so Ed Hardy...

Meanwhile, I remain the Angriest Man on the Internet. It's a tough job, but at least the pay sucks!

Mike

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Of course he should - while universal, your Rights are equal to those of others, not a trump card, how did this not compute ?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

I think that assassins against Obama are for hire. I don't think that random loons get this close to the president out of chance. I think there are always thousands of would be assassins, but they're stopped. No way am I believing in more people wanting to assassinate Obama than Bush. I suspect 1/3 of republicans and 2/3 of democrats wanted to assassinate Bush, it's just no one could get close to him unless they already had his cock in their mouth.

Sorry

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I would have placed a pair of secret service agents or even general security folk with him as a precaution, which would not violate his rights, and would be a completely reasonable security measure, which if you picked the right people, could be parleyed into a PR coup by showing an acknowledgement of his argument while still respecting his rights.

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A nation that kills each other with guns to the tune of 10 000 people a year doesn't seem to be taking freedom of assembly very seriously.

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In 2006, there were 30,896 gun deaths in the U.S: 12,791 homicides (41% of total deaths), 16,883 suicides (55% of total deaths), 642 unintentional shootings (2% of total deaths), 360 from legal intervention (1.2% of total deaths) and 220 from undetermined intent (.8% of total deaths).

(Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2009.)

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I think that just-over-10,000 number you saw from '07 must have been just for murders. We seem to be pretty well stuck at around 30,000 gun deaths per year here.

But for comparison's sake, we also have around 42,000 traffic deaths per year, and around 32,000 flu-related deaths per year.

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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
http://.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

"The Centers for Disease Control says that 100,000 young athletes between the ages of 13 and 30 drop dead every year, either during exercise, during a sporting event or immediately after. Or twice that."
-Dr Joel Wallach ND DVM, Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine, Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, 1991 Nobel Prize Nominee - Medicine http://firstamendmentradio.com http://www.wallachonline.com Dead Doctors Don't Lie http://www.deaddoctors.com 46 MILLION copies sold
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9000052717197218681

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So guns have their problems, but apparently they're far less of a problem than a car or a case of the sniffles. And it's rare that I see anyone lobbying for the outlawing of automobiles. And certainly they're not protected anywhere in the Constitution.

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Hussein Obama wants to kill millions more US citizens, since 55-million murders is not enough. Obama especially hates black sheeple, as 1,000 dead Kenyans can attest. Or no they can't... they're dead.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you think it's a GOOD idea to wear a gun to an event where the President will be appearing, especially with the knowledge that death threats against the President are up over 400% since a black man was elected President?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you think it helps your cause to have a local show up wearing his gun on his hip and waving a sign that reads "It is time to water the tree of liberty", knowing that that is paraphrased from the following Jefferson quote:

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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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So he's pretty clearly referencing some spilling of blood, whether he considers Obama a tyrant or a patriot.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm a gun rights guy, but this is just a stupid decision on this yahoo's part that will do NOTHING to help the cause of Second Amendment believers. In fact, it will HURT our cause, because it makes us all out to be hell-for-glory nutters.

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But the idea that guns deter crime is laughable - if that were the case the US would have one of the lowest crime rates in the world - which of course is not the case.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you think it's a GOOD idea to wear a gun to an event where the President will be appearing, especially with the knowledge that death threats against the President are up over 400% since a black man was elected President?

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Why not? Isn't it his constitutional right? Much like being belligerent to a peace officer in your own home or at least in front of your home?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm a gun rights guy, but this is just a stupid decision on this yahoo's part that will do NOTHING to help the cause of Second Amendment believers. In fact, it will HURT our cause, because it makes us all out to be hell-for-glory nutters.

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Frem has it right here, IMHO. What makes you think you can pick and choose which rights people are allowed to exercise and when they are allowed to do it?

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