Littering Life by AnthonyT

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Littering Life

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Friday, August 14, 2009 14:01
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Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:19 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Hello,

Besides the fact that the punishment seems somewhat excessive for a littering charge, I found part of the Prosecutor's statement astonishing.

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In a sentencing memo, the federal prosecutors wrote that Staton's "actions are not about humanitarian efforts, but about protesting the immigration policies of the United States, and aiding those that enter illegally into the United States."
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What I find astonishing is that a Prosecutor would seek to convict a man, and then say they convicted him for protesting public policy. Wha? Enjoy chewing your shoes, sir?

Also, wishing a criminal good luck does not constitute helping that criminal to commit a crime. I'm also pretty sure that giving a criminal water isn't a crime, either.

It should have been a case about littering. By making it into something else, I think the government made a grievous error.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Edited to correct the word 'prosecutor.'

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Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:47 PM

FREMDFIRMA

That's kinda sad, it is.

I got busted for "littering" once in a vaguely similar fashion, but for more cause.

Some nimrod was passing our religious pamphlets down in the inner harbor, and he was pretty insistent, in fact he didn't seem to be all there in the head.

I asked him to leave me be and he kept after me, and becoming seriously irate, told him to go AWAY now, at which point he laid his hands on me and I tried to force-feed him one of his own pamphlets.
(I was younger, dumber, and meaner...)
And then, being seriously angry cause he fought pretty cursed well for a religious nutter, and completely oblivious to the events unfolding behind me, I totally lost it and pitched him headfirst into the inner harbor...

RIGHT NEXT to a sign proclaiming the fine for littering, RIGHT in front of two cops... oops.

He did lay hands upon me first, after a brief period of harassment, so everything else got dropped, but I did have to pay the freakin fine.

That's ok, I considered him garbage too.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, August 14, 2009 1:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Edited to correct the word 'prosecutor.'

You spelled it "persecutor" the first time, didn't you?

Yeah, I'm with ya on this, T. Did they have any indication he wasn't going to pick the bottles up later? Hell, I'm kinda surprised the feds didn't decide to put RF trackers on the bottles - that way they could've tracked the illegals until they ditched the bottles, then busted THEM for littering.

And if this is "aiding" the illegals, then what the hell is the government doing when it imprisons them and gives them three hots and a cot?

Illegal immigration is a problem; fining and jailing people who give them water or humanitarian aid isn't the solution. That only discourages people from ever helping their fellow man again, lest they be held liable.

Mike

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Friday, August 14, 2009 2:01 PM

DREAMTROVE

I'm in favor of illegal immigration. I think it's a great idea and we should all do it.

After all, isn't what we're paranoid about that the govt. might keep a file on each and every one of us and then try to prevent us from succeeding in creating anything that would benefit society and free it from their petty control?

Why do you think the govt. is so hyper about illegal immigration? Because these people are NOT ON RECORD. There's some mexican in the US, and no one cares that he's a mexican, because everyone knows there's some 15% of the population that is latino, and it's always been that way. No, it's that he's not on record. No one knows who he is or what he's up to. They can't tax him, they can't register him, they can't follow him...

So I say, bring on the chaos. Let's have all the illegals that want to come. I want to disrupt the Orwellian society, and create an untracked unclassified populace.

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