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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Needs two to the back of the head...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, now I've got a legitimate reason to never watch an Eagles game again, eh?

Maybe he's contrite and remorseful. And maybe Charlie Manson really IS the second coming...

Sorry, but I have no use for this guy. I may not necessarily agree with "two to the head", but I wouldn't feel too sorry for him if something horrible happened to him. Maybe he should be treated the way he treated his dogs. Sure, they're just dogs, but after all, he's just a person. It's not like we don't have plenty more to go around...

Mike

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, its one to the temple, and one behind the ear...THEN two to the head.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
No offense to any of you all but the responses here seem a little silly.

I haven't been following this story really, but it's my understanding he got caught fighting dogs or somesuch, right? Would I be completely out on a limb to assume that there are players in the NFL who have been convicted of abusing, like, people? No? None of them have ever beat on their girlfriends or their kids? Paid for sex from women treated little better, if as good, as fighting dogs?

Anyway, I don't really care about Vick, he sounds like yet another asshole. But it seems a little out of whack to be writing him off as some kind of monster for dogfighting.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
No offense to any of you all but the responses here seem a little silly.

I haven't been following this story really, but it's my understanding he got caught fighting dogs or somesuch, right? Would I be completely out on a limb to assume that there are players in the NFL who have been convicted of abusing, like, people? No? None of them have ever beat on their girlfriends or their kids? Paid for sex from women treated little better, if as good, as fighting dogs?

Anyway, I don't really care about Vick, he sounds like yet another asshole. But it seems a little out of whack to be writing him off as some kind of monster for dogfighting.

SergeantX

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wives and girlfriends got to where they are by their own choices

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wives and girlfriends got to where they are by their own choices

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wives and girlfriends got to where they are by their own choices

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O.o You're saying they deserve it because they made the mistake of trusting someone?

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
No offense to any of you all but the responses here seem a little silly.

I haven't been following this story really, but it's my understanding he got caught fighting dogs or somesuch, right? Would I be completely out on a limb to assume that there are players in the NFL who have been convicted of abusing, like, people? No? None of them have ever beat on their girlfriends or their kids? Paid for sex from women treated little better, if as good, as fighting dogs?

Anyway, I don't really care about Vick, he sounds like yet another asshole. But it seems a little out of whack to be writing him off as some kind of monster for dogfighting.

SergeantX

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

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wives and girlfriends got to where they are by their own choices

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O.o You're saying they deserve it because they made the mistake of trusting someone?

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They made a mistake, and part of learning is recognizing that mistake

I used to have a friend who went from one abusive relationship to another ( three times while I knew her )

dating dirtbags was a choice she made, and yeah... I think she needed to own up to that choice.

Not at all like a little kid or an animal who didn't have opportunity to get help or walk away.

So while I feel for both, I have more empathy for the latter case.. and more anger towards those who who abuse that.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
So, threat of violence still offers a choice of being able to walk away?

Your friend dating three dirtbags who abused her is indicative of a systemic problem, if you think about it.

In most cases, behaviour like that is unconscious, stemming from low self-esteem... Or earlier abuse. Or both.

To say that they have a choice is a gross over-simplification, and ignores the root causes of why they subjected themselves to such relationships and why they allowed the abuse.

I think I've heard that people who suffer abuse undergo changes in their brain chemistry similar to PTSD. If it's affecting your brain, you really have to wonder just how much judgment is impaired and how much choice they really have. A person can't just CHOOSE to not be depressed anymore, any more than I think they can choose to not be abused.

Plus, this perspective puts all the blame squarely on the victim, which I take issue with. If someone can blame a victim, which I'm not sure about in the first place, then I have to point out that codependency takes two, folks. Yeah, some of these abusers have serious problems as well, but it doesn't make what they do any less wrong.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety myself.

It took a nervous breakdown for my depression to go away. I still have anxiety, crippling anxiety that just about stopped me from getting a job because I couldn't even leave the house. I was terrified of the thought of getting into a car accident, or even driving, let alone actually going to a job interview and talking to strangers.

But here I am, working the job I wanted that I interviewed for.

So don't think I don't understand where you're coming from when you say people need to not fall into self-destructive patterns, because I've been there and I didn't.

But just because I turned out okay doesn't mean I can't recognize that all people are different, all people deal with problems differently, and some people CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES. Sometimes, they're in so deep, they can't see a way out. They're afraid their loved ones will end up hurt, or can't see how their loved ones can help, or even they have to cope by refusing to admit there's a problem.

Those are feelings, not choices. Options are not always clear. And it is easy, SO easy to be on the outside looking in, saying what someone should do. But like I said, people are different. What worked for you will not necessarily work for someone else.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Beyond help is not the same as being unable to help oneself.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I think that perhaps, most if not all of society viewing him personally with rage and disgust for the rest of his natural life is every bit the justice he deserves.

-F

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