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First, Marylin, there's a lot of stangeness to that story. I don't buy the suicide angle. I'm not sure what happened, but I have a logistical problem with someone being physically able to take that many sleeping pills while conscious, unless all at once, and she wasn't showing signs of being suicidal. The media seems to have retroactively created the idea that she was.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I REALLY need to start reading the links before I comment...

Sorry.

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...only checked to see if the male contestants were millionaires and did not bother to check if they had any criminal records or mental stability.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, so this douchebag hanged himself? Cool. Saves the cost of a trial, right?

Why, oh why couldn't he have just done that part of it a week ago?



Mike

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Here's some forensic clue. She was badly bruised and beaten, as she had been before, as had his previous lover/wife. Then she was strangled. Then mutilated, to remove any identifiable trait, by someone who was afraid she would be identified. Then, before the body was discovered, he panicked in the absolute extreme in every sense of the word.

If your wife was missing, you wouldn't flee the country. You might try to find her. If you didn't have a connection to the victim, you would have no fear of her being identified.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
mind you her plans to poison me would likely kick in first...

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

► When taken as a whole, serial killers appear to be of normal IQ
● Median = 102, Mean = 103
● Low was 57 (Simon Pirela)
● High was 165 (Theodore Kaczynski)
- A second IQ testing put him at 155

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
John, good points all, but in this case, I doubt it. Sure, there were probably drugs, but I've known people like this, which is what made the profile so easy to construct.

His main problem is internal. His cheat the system mentality led him down a path of manipulate rather than cooperate with the rest of the human race. His inability to control his short term behavior may have been steroid induced but, but it can also develop naturally from repression of the mating instinct. It leads to an overdose of tryptamines in the system which can overload the synapses and shut down the normal perspective based pathways. If you survive the teenage suicide compulsion of the radical depression induced by failure to mate, you usually do it by some defense mechanism.

Sorry, no magic required for this one. Sure, it's always possible, but it doesn't *have* to be so.

Interesting about Cho tho. I knew that it wasn't normal because he registered 97% hits on shots fired IIRC, and some were executions, but he was shooting into classrooms. That's an unreal accuracy, not something you will ever see coming from your typical college student. Or your typical military sniper. He was definitely a dedicated killing machine.


Gino,

Not a chance. I know a lot of lawyers. This guy was a goner. Sure, if they have no evidence, then he doesn't get pegged for murder 1, so what. The law operated by the spirit of the law, not the letter. The only reasons that OJ didn't get nailed for killing his wife were:

1. He was able to get the a community of people to worship him as a hero, and they were ready to riot if he was convicted. A lot of them, at the time, thought he was innocent, and not all of them were black, and a lot of black people were not in this group, but the LAPD was very aware that they were going to have a riot on their hands

2. The police *had* tampered with evidence, and there was a stronger will to *not* reward that behavior, even though most of the jury and the judge were convinced of his guilt.

Reality is, this guy was totally sunk. It's was obvious, and there was no escape. By the time they caught him he was entering the country illegally, evading arrest, false testimony to police, probably skipping out on a trial, lots of little stuff, which would give them plenty of time to dig around for more. They could easily convict him on the spousal abuse, and at least attempted murder, possibly manslaughter, on account that she died, even if they could not peg him as the strangler.

It's not a mechanical system. This is an error that a lot of people make. It's an intuitive one. People know intuitively that he's guilty, so there are always a ton of technicalities that they can get you on.

Check John's above example. Charles Manson is serving life in prison. He didn't kill Sharon Tate and co. He killed people sure, but he was never charged with those deaths, people he raped and killed in prison in KY.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Maybe so, but just because she's dating two psychos jsut says she was a poor judge of character which we already knew. This case is sewed up. The psychology of the abuser is solid, and the identical MO, I wrote the profile above myself, based only on very limited information, because I do know something about psychology.

True, ex and drug dealer are suspicious and could do this, but the primary suspect the night of the murder did the following:
1. made a cover call to the police
2. stole the victims car
3. evaded arrest
4. illegally crossed a border
5. committed suicide.

He would not have done any of these if he hadn't committed the crime.

So, okay, she knows more than one psycho.

The truth is that most people would leave someone who beat them up. She didn't, she was a weak judge of character and lacked survival instincts. Most people could have told that from her plastic surgery

Most people leave a wife who is cheating on them. He was a psycho, got jealous, and then killed her. It's quite possible that Jenkins killed Fiore in the process of beating her up. It's probably more what he did afterwords that makes him a lock solid psychopath.

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