I dare you... by Niki2

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm in.

I guess I just can't refuse a dare!

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BUMP!

Any more...????

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh yeah, not possible - I tend to sit back and watch for a while when a new person posts until I can get a feel for em, so I'd be like... not posting, heh.

And given my hours and current situations, posting here is one of the few entertaining uses of my time I currently have, bleh.

-F

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:37 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Does this include responses to KINGEicholtz?

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:16 PM

Oh dear. King is one of the few people who gets under my skin. I really don't know anymore if they're really a troll or generally lacking any social skills whatsoever.

I try to take everyone at face value, which is why I ask so many questions, so I can refine how I understand the opinions of the people I'm talking to. I even try to do it with King, but it is so VERY HARD, because that poster just says and does stuff that sets me off.

Point of order: when he was whining every day for three days about his threads being moved, posting a NEW thread every time it was moved, and the last thread he posted was one long line of 'o's and '0's that stretched out the page.

I think everyone heard my patience snap. I'm a little ashamed now of the campaign I went on to get King to stop spamming after that. It was effective, but that's the ugly side of me I've mentioned before.

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:21 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Is King still around?

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:23 PM

I don't think so. He posted once or twice after that, but no one seemed to rise to the bait.

If it really was just some dumb kid, then I'm pure evil.

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:31 PM

Byte, don't feel bad. Kingelbert so very richly deserved it.

I give Wulf a hard time, as I've pointed out. But that in no way means that I think he's a troll. He's here, he contributes. The fact that we don't see eye to eye on much of anything doesn't get in the way of us at least trying to hash some stuff out - and hopefully from having some fun along the way!

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:49 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I'm in --- as long as if someone ELSE starts it first I can dish it back. Just look at the 'snark-free' thread. WHO was the first to dish it out ????? HHHhhmmmmm ??

Why, it was Wulf ! Of course !

And you wonder why people snark at Wulf ? Maybe you should wonder why he does it first.

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Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:51 PM

DREAMTROVE

I'm in if the posts are like the ones on this page: i.e. they stick to a size limit. I will read 200 words or so and then quit like I usually do.

Not only is this my time limit, but it's also a means of being fair and balanced:

If one person posts 90% of the information, reading everything, watching all the videos, would favor them. I can't weight everything fairly if people don't post relatively equally. Not a judgment, just a time constraint.

The only exceptions is that I read whole posts that are specifically to me, and I write long posts to a specific other person.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, that was an idea which went nowhere! I sat down to start reading today and ended up in three different threads which I didn't reply to, one because it was virtually nothing BUT personalities going back and forth, and the other two because they just went on and on and on and personalities were part of it. Too much to deal with.

So I guess it's not possible; was worth a try, anyway. Such is life.

________________________
Together we are greater than the sum of our parts

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:28 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Lol.

What are we, but our opinions?

Ok. I'm in.

I'll bite my tongue, if Rue keeps hers from flapping too much out of control....

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:17 AM

RIVERDANCER

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if Rue keeps hers from flapping too much out of control....

Let's all applaud how much this takes to heart the idea of not pre-judging based on a name.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Okay, I'm trying... I'll try harder.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:54 AM

I gave it a shot.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=40073

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM

So did I. Didn't last long, though. I think I lasted all of five minutes. It's been a bit of an eye-opener to see how much of the snark around here is based on old inside jokes and such, though.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:21 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Hey. Im trying. Willing to give it a shot.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:07 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:

So did I. Didn't last long, though. I think I lasted all of five minutes. It's been a bit of an eye-opener to see how much of the snark around here is based on old inside jokes and such, though.

Hmm. Good point. I think River's comment on Wulf's was interesting. Snarking around, I see that people have been calling people a Dreamtrove, while Dreamtrove has been calling people River. Sorry about that, no offense intended.

All sockpuppets aside, anyone who is actually River6213 feel free to post as such. We all agreed in a thread a while ago to bury that hatched with the only dissenter as ironically an eager responder to this thread.

One other issue: How do I possibly allow my brain to look at Pirate News' posts objectively?

I like John, and he has interesting things to say, but problems arise:

1. Honestly, I don't read a lot of this (when they are pasted stories or links, videos, I watch almost no one's videos.) because I like to give equal time and he just posts more threads.

2. If I were to look at PN's posts without taking the name into consideration, I would have to say "You're batsh*t crazy" every fucking time (No offense, but it takes knowing you to really treat you fairly.)

Seriously, my first response to Pirate News was something to the effect of "hate jews much?" I suspect that I'm in an almost unanimous majority on that one.

Again on Wulf, I think I'd make the same obvious post.

We apply filters to who we're reading, even if we do it subconsciously. A lot of that filtering we do is actually *towards* fairness. Nik, if you were to go on a rant against jews they way John does? You'd probably get slammed, because you're relatively new, and we don't have a built in filter for that.

I agree with the spirit here: Don't hold grudges. Treat each post anew.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I sat down to start reading today and ended up in three different threads which I didn't reply to, one because it was virtually nothing BUT personalities going back and forth

Oh dear me, be glad you missed the "duelists"...
*eyeroll*

Used to be, EVERY thread around here devolved into certain folk going back and forth with the equivalent of "DID NOT!" - "DID TOO" for like TWENTY FRIGGIN POSTS! to where just about everyone wanted to haul out a couple of axe handles and just clobber the both of em into however temporary silence...

That's certainly one thing I ain't never gonna miss, although I really need another Brit to snark on, now.

-F

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:19 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

hehehe.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:57 PM

DREAMTROVE

Frem.

20?!?!? I think you should click on archived threads. I remember deliberately starting one, on your behest if I recall, to see if I could get the infighting lemming crowd to break 200 posts on that nonsense, and not only did they, but it was then bested several times by others, some of whom weren't even trying...

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I was keepin it simple for brevitys sake.

Which is why I am against chopping stuff into smaller and smaller chunks, mind you - it loses the rich explanory detail and personal impressions of the poster, both of which are quite important to me in a conversation carried by plaintext.

-F

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Friday, September 25, 2009 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I sat down to start reading today and ended up in three different threads which I didn't reply to, one because it was virtually nothing BUT personalities going back and forth

Oh dear me, be glad you missed the "duelists"...
*eyeroll*

Used to be, EVERY thread around here devolved into certain folk going back and forth with the equivalent of "DID NOT!" - "DID TOO" for like TWENTY FRIGGIN POSTS! to where just about everyone wanted to haul out a couple of axe handles and just clobber the both of em into however temporary silence...

That's certainly one thing I ain't never gonna miss, although I really need another Brit to snark on, now.

-F

Heheheheheehhhh... Well, I'm no Brit, but I've definitely participated in more than my share of those threads. As have most of us, at one time or another. I think everyone here has "triggers" that set them off, and issues that they just WILL NOT let go of.

But Niki, if it makes you feel any better, this place is an absolute island of tranquility compared to what it was about, oh, say a year ago, leading into the election.

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:29 AM

Also, supposedly there were military and intelligence plants at one time doing thought crime patrols on here.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 6:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I tried, but I guess I just don't get the point of limiting my responses to what someone "says".

When I make an argument, I bring a raft of assumptions, values, biases, emotions, information, and logic along with it. I guess I would call it 'meta-content'. People SHOULD respond to meta-content as well as the text of my post. I HOPE they find a flaw in my logic, expose a false assumption, redirect my emotions, supersede my goals with better ones, give me new information, or change my outlook in some way... that is the POINT of discussion, is it not?

I would only hope that they do it in a respectful and rhetorically honest fashion, and not resort to strawmanning, slippery-slope, ad hominem, post-fact or other fallacious arguments. So I can't promise to limit the scope of my answer, but I CAN try to limit the snark that tends to go along with it!

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Friday, September 25, 2009 7:00 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Also, supposedly there were military and intelligence plants at one time doing thought crime patrols on here.

Good gig if you can get it. Imagine being paid to snark?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, September 25, 2009 7:07 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
strawmanning, slippery-slope, ad hominem, post-fact

The very heart of a losing argument. Employed by, well, if I say "losers" that defeats the purpose of this thread, I conjure.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, September 25, 2009 7:19 AM