G20 professer's eardrum ruptured by LRAD sound cannon by Fremdfirma

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Live video feed of G20 protests:

www.infowars.com/live-feed-of-g-20-protests-in-pittsburgh/

Military attempts to frame reporters for terrorism at G20 summit:

www.prisonplanet.com/red-alert-military-attempts-to-frame-infowars-rep
orters-for-terrorism-at-g20-summit.html

Provacateurs welcome...

That's it's mandatory to have covert video/audio at all political gatherings and for encounters with police/military.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:17 PM

AG05

For some reason, whenever I saw/heard the term G20 today, I thought of a 10mm Glock.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:03 PM

Ya lost me, is this about a crackdown on protestors?

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:43 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think they are referencing specific techniques used to disperse protesters that are... umm... less than savory.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:34 PM

HKCAVALIER

Hey Frem,

They actually put this up on Yahoo's first page this afternoon, almost posted it, but I knew you'd be all over the story. Just warms the heart to see the word "Anarchists" in the headline on Yahoo's front page.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090924/us_time/08599192561100

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 12:07 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Police State Death Squad Death Ray at G20 Overthrow of USA Today

"Pittsburg is what a Police State Looks Like!" by Cindy Sheehan
http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/09/tell-me-what-police-s
tate-looks-like-by.html

Military police extracting one of their provocateurs:

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Friday, September 25, 2009 12:11 AM

Oh yes, indeedy, and of course the propaganda engines are revved up and cranking out bullshit by the ton - while police agent provocateurs are busy as hell feeding them juicy bits.

The rock thrower who cracked the cruisers windshield was a cop, btw - once again their failure to change out of police footwear has given them away, but of course the "news" agencies leave out THAT tidbit.

And Justin is handling medical and legal team dispatch, cause our extraction teams have had to go autonomous as the police/military elements involved are deliberately jamming every frequency but their own - of course, they also started encrypting when they realized we were listening in, but it's a bit too late now given how much evidence we have of unlawful activity on their part discussed in the clear, recorded in triplicate and stored off site.

I hope they got footage of the one extraction van that had to "run the gauntlet" to get some non-protester civilians to medical attention, cause we do owe em some legal hassle over that, and heaven help em if we can match the four bullets we pulled out of it to police/military firearms.

Problem of course, comes from no one rightly giving a damn just how badly these fucking jackboots shit on the law, cause even those theoretically in charge of em are scared of the punkass fascist bastards.

-F

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Friday, September 25, 2009 12:38 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Where's all the unemployed Steelers? Why aren't they fighting G20 for their jobs back?

Or is the media censoring protestors who aren't anarchists, like Cindy Sheehan?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:55 AM

Meh, censorship and propaganda is just about a given, John, you know that.

Damn fools, once again they didn't listen to good sense and they're having their ass handed to them - it's the miami model all over again.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7557174318773212602#

They're gonna claim it was just the national guard, of course, but even their own words give lie to the claim.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09262/999246-482.stm
I'll also note that those fucking helicopters were out there indiscriminately bombing tear gas cannisters, many of which landed in groups of uninvolved civilians - which is what lead to us medevacing a couple folk in respiratory distress as a direct result, and the goddamn jackboots SHOT at my people when they ran the barricade.

Sure, just let someone die and blame it on the protesters, of course, despite it being them dropping teargas on a couple asthmatic folks which caused the problem - and I think we all know they outright refused medical attention or to bring in an ambulance, complete with some particular commentary I hope that MP3 recorder picked up, cause I'm pretty sure they're gonna "lose" any recordings of THOSE statements they might have, and quick like.

As it is, the jackboots seem to have run low on protestors and have started harrassing the citizenry and local shopkeepers trying to pick some shit, which they've been doing from the start - something the embedded corpies are of course going to edit out of their coverage of their "friends" so as not to upset or offend the real power in this country, the fucking police-military-intel goons - who obey no one but themselves, ignore subpeanos and laugh in the face of warrants, and here you thought the people you voted for were actually in charge, HA!

And next time you see "officer friendly" remember how EAGER these assholes were to run to new orleans and strip folk of their defense, while letting looters and ravagers run wild, or even becoming such themselves - remember how EAGER they are to run to an event like this and get chunky overtime pay for beating the shit out of folks who actually care about something, with a nice stiff woody at the thought of getting paid, and paid extra, to hurt people, ohhh yeah...

And ponder long and long, that such sociopathic scum are the folk REALLY in charge of everything, cause so far no one, not their own command, not the feds, the government, or even the president, has been willing or able to call them to heel - if anything, cheerleading the way cause to not suck up to them is to face their wrath.

Yeah, it's mob rule all right, the mob in blue, and fuck what you "little people" think of it.

And the sooner these damn fool activists having their asses kicked realize that all they are doing by nonviolent resistance on the enemies terms is allowing the propaganda engines to demonise them, providing exercise for merry grinning abusers and torturers, and allowing them to justify the expense of paying for our own abuse in the name of "public safety" - the sooner they might actually learn to do something more effective than stupid shit like begging for a permit to protest, or whining to people who couldn't care less about rights (peaceable assembly) no one gives a fuck about till they're MADE to.

Yeah, go into the dragons lair and give him a stern lecture, sure, that'll work - meanwhile we shall wait right here, with some mashmallows on sticks to roast over your flaming corpses.

All for a 'protest' hardly no one is gonna see, which won't even rate a blip on the public consciousness due to the other side having control of every media element involved but one.

Oh yeah, and as I told indymedia, the bloody fools, back your shit up offsite, cause it's sure as sunrise they'll throw down some terrorism accusations and come seize the fucking servers, just like they did before - which will also conveniently shut you up, shut you down, and who's gonna make em give those back, when it's become so clear who the REAL power in this country is ?

Of course, having actual operational security might fuckin PREVENT that problem, but what do I know, right ?

I'm just the guy who's vans are pulling YOUR asses out of the fire... again.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, September 25, 2009 4:00 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

WTF is going on?

I've been seeing videos about this summit for a while...

Wht is the G20 summit? I know I might be behind on things around here, but why are there so many people protesting it?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 4:27 AM

Basically the "powers that be" behind the thrones and offices held up to the public, making decisions about how to divvy up the spoils looted from us peons, Wulf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies

Of course, we'd like a say in it, not having one, and not getting one, despite it being a large chunk of our money involved.

But playin ball by the other guys rules, on his field, with the marked deck he's handed you - that's just asking for it, and these idiots are of course having their asses kicked.

We laid on some medical, legal, and extraction team support, the latter because of a practice called Kettling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling
They force folk into an ever shrinking area, complete with contradictory directions and a few arbitrary arrests, in order to forcibly provoke an incident and excuse to just kick the shit out of and arrest everyone in sight.

Because of a lack of protesters, currently the bastards have taken to harassing the citizenry, some of which have appealed to us through local activists on site, to get them out of there since the jackboots don't seem to be keen on letting folk leave - which is damn suspicious although we're unsure of the reason, and once they realized we were listening in on them and recording, they started using encrypted channels and jamming every frequency but their own - which is equipment the local National Guard *DOES NOT HAVE*, cause I know personally the guy who was responsible for the last inventory, being that he's one of us now.

The Secret Service is around, but staying on their proper job, which is the protection of the POTUS, not that any of the protesters have an issue about that - they just want their voices heard, even if they are barking up the wrong tree for all the wrong reasons.

As far as deliberately startin shit, airdropping those tear gas grenades certainly qualifies, and as I said, the dude throwing rocks (apparently he cracked the windshield of a police cruiser, thus allowing the cops excuse to arrest everyone nearby) was in fact a cop agent, and wearing issue-footwear, something the plants seem to have a habit of forgetting about.

They oughta be happy we're not really involved, we ever take the field ourselves, you'll see the words "resisting arrest" take on a whole new dimension.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, September 25, 2009 4:37 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

How is any of this stuff legal? What about the peoples homes this is happening around? How can they leave?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:06 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And the sooner these damn fool activists having their asses kicked realize that all they are doing by nonviolent resistance on the enemies terms is allowing the propaganda engines to demonise them, providing exercise for merry grinning abusers and torturers, and allowing them to justify the expense of paying for our own abuse in the name of "public safety" - the sooner they might actually learn to do something more effective than stupid shit like begging for a permit to protest, or whining to people who couldn't care less about rights (peaceable assembly) no one gives a fuck about till they're MADE to.

I agree with your assessment, but what you're "suggesting" I totally disagree with.

Why in the world are they protesting NOW? When they know there will the most security? When their 20 seconds of airtime will just make them look foolish? They seem determined to play their role in this farce.

As for the protesters' message - I'm sorry but their message is lost on me - all I see is young people being young - generation after generation - complaining, enjoying the adrenaline rush and being a nuisance. More importantly (for them), does anyone think that the people they are trying to reach even consider them serious for a second beyond the major inconvenience factor they represent?

I thought the same of my brother's generation when they protested - if you look like a hippie YOU WILL NOT BE RESPECTED NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MESSAGE IS. IF your values are what drives you, if your message is of ultimate importance, then you will be smart enough to put on a f*cking suit and cut your hair and talk their talk because "looking like them" will be the greatest weapon in your arsenal.

Generation after generation does not seem to learn this.

"It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it."

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:14 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
How is any of this stuff legal? What about the peoples homes this is happening around? How can they leave?

What makes you think it's "legal"? And since when has what's "legal" really mattered, to them or to you?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:23 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"What makes you think it's "legal"? And since when has what's "legal" really mattered, to them or to you?"

Nice, Kwick. Lots of class to you, isn't there?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 9:08 AM

How do you figure, Wulfie?

Because I've insinuated that you don't have any respect for the law? That's by your own words, you dolt.

And how many law enforcement officers have you ever known who had the utmost respect for the law, and never bent the rules or cut corners?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 9:12 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

If thats what you meant, I apologize.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 10:16 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Military police provacateur rescued by "random arrest"

G20 live police scanner at G20 in Pittsburg:
www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2242

BBC Video of psycho riot cops attacking G20 protestors and media
www.infowars.com/bbc-video-reveals-police-violence-at-g20/

Why don't protestors wear riot gear, gas masks, earplugs and use megaphones to turn cops against G20?

Police dog attacks peace protestors in Pittsburg:

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Friday, September 25, 2009 11:02 AM

I can't believe you guys could have a catfight and no one could mention where it might have been stated that it was legal:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So, you what? Read the second amendment 2 times a day before breakfast but never read the first?

Edit:

Frem and John make an interesting point

PIRATENEWS
Or is the media censoring protestors who aren't anarchists, like Cindy Sheehan?

FREMDFIRMA
Meh, censorship and propaganda is just about a given, John, you know that.

Certain types of protests get more attention, such as Nazis, terrorists, nudists, peta... Maybe creating your own protestors on both sides (Forgive me if I'm very late on this idea) would be a good idea. Faux globalists, protesting in favor of the G20...

I'm stilling rattling in my head how to fight this urban renewal plan, and earlier today it occurred to me "Okay, so Schumer's goons want to take out black neighborhoods and replace them with business, except in Buffalo, they want to build some sort of housing development" And yeah, you could get young black people riled up against that idea, hell, okay, they're undoubtedly already riled up. But then I thought "Having Nazis come out and *support* the plan would do a lot more damage."

Okay... now I'm just running to catch up here. There are lots of white people who are going to be upset about the idea just because they're human, and so then I get to thinking. Maybe "overt nazis" are less damaging (still talking faux nazis here, don't want to deal with real nazis) than covert fake nazis.

Covert fake nazis would be fake support, with a fake agenda, that they then tried to disguise, and intentionally failed. They could appear that they were "pro-civic economy" and "pro-business development" but that this would be a cloak for a position of being "anti-black." If it were done well, Schumer's goons might accept their support, and then they could make the whole thing look really, really bad. Of course this is way too complex for me, who has never really organized anything, but it's all a chess game. Any thoughts?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 11:19 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

Welcome to the real world Yanks.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 11:46 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Welcome to the real world Yanks.

This is what irks me. Break a mugger's leg & you can go to jail, but invade a foreign country under false pretenses, and no one suffers but troops & civies.
The jungle *now* has stipulations, yo.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, September 25, 2009 12:22 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

CNN reporter dressed as anarchist gets maced:

Probably thought wearing a provocateur uniform would keep him safe.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 12:25 PM

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Covert fake nazis would be fake support, with a fake agenda, that they then tried to disguise, and intentionally failed. They could appear that they were "pro-civic economy" and "pro-business development" but that this would be a cloak for a position of being "anti-black." If it were done well, Schumer's goons might accept their support, and then they could make the whole thing look really, really bad. Of course this is way too complex for me, who has never really organized anything, but it's all a chess game. Any thoughts?

Oiy... et tu DT??

Why over think the wheel - it's simplicity is it's beauty. If you have a real case then just use the facts, don't try and out lie the opposition. If you do you're just being one of them.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 1:19 PM

Quote:
If thats what you meant, I apologize.

Not a problem. On this one, I think we're good, and probably a lot closer to agreement than you're used to!

As Niki pointed out, sometimes we get so "anti-" whatever, that we go at each other without even thinking about what the other said.

For a lot of what's going on at the G20, I suspect quite a bit of it ISN'T legal, but that's not going to stop it from happening. As cops are so fond of saying, it's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission... So they'll go ahead and do what the hell they want, WHATEVER they want, to WHOMEVER they want, and they'll deal with any "consequences" later - and those "consequences" will result in nothing more serious than dropped charges against those who are abused, and MAYBE a light slap on the wrist and a tiny little note in their "permanent record".

In short, they do this shit because they can. And because nobody will say dick about it, at least not where anyone can hear it, or care about it.

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black

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Friday, September 25, 2009 1:25 PM

Quote:

I can't believe you guys could have a catfight and no one could mention where it might have been stated that it was legal:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So, you what? Read the second amendment 2 times a day before breakfast but never read the first?

Not, I think, so much a catfight as a misunderstanding of what was said and what was meant by what was said. :)

I note for the record though, that Congress really HASN'T made any law outlawing this behavior, at least this week. They don't need to. The cops harass, arrest, detain, corral, cajole, undermine, infiltrate, and pistol-whip if they feel like it, and it all magically goes away before it ever goes to trial. But god help you if you get caught making Molotov cocktails in a hotel room (ask the Austin kid who's doing hard time in a federal prison about that, and about the FBI informant who put him up to it, and about Monkey Wrench books here in Austin. I know a few of those people.)

Mike

Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and Bible black

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Friday, September 25, 2009 2:05 PM

lol

yes, this is how the catfights start

You say "i need to protect myself"
I say "you just love guns and blood and killing people"
and then you say "did not!"
and then I say "did to!"
and then you say "did not!"
and then I say "Yes you did! You invaded Poland!"

We really do need that snarkicon

Google offers me these:

and the more familiar though pointless:

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Friday, September 25, 2009 2:47 PM

Too bad the bloody fools didn't take my advice about it.

Be a little more difficult logistically, but oh so much more effective.

Maintain a presence in Pittsburg, make em nervous, give em all the reasons they like for a massive security presence....

And then have the protests in Philadelphia.
(trust me, we can GET buses.)

Woulda been a real chops buster, and the novelty of it would have drawn more media attention just for the holy-WTF factor.

But nobody never listens to me, oh well.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:30 PM

Just for DT, regarding the above concept.

Whack a mole can be a TWO player game.

-F

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Friday, September 25, 2009 4:23 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Police State Death Squad Death Ray at G20 Overthrow of USA Today

Note how the first picture shows a microwave death ray that cooks you alive. Literally. ROUND antenna.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=active+denial+system&aq=f&oq=&
aqi=g10

The video below shows the same armored vehicle using a sound cannon. They're using it on little kids playing in their front yard today in Pitts - rips their eardrums out. SQUARE antenna...

Same vehicle, 2 antennas, 2 different weapons on a rotating turret.

Changing the subject, Walmart sells 30-06 hunting rifles, black stock, for $250. Deer season is coming up.

Changing the subject again, how far is USA from a real Revolutionary War? Or will softkill psyops, and police state death squads in black ninja ski masks and Nazi helmets, decapitate human nature?

Why does an entire tiny town prepare to massacre an entire police force over tasering grandpa on a tractor in a parade, but a dead city like Pitts can't lift a finger to protest United Nations Security Council King Obama Bin Laden overthrowing USA at G20?

Are impotent "anarchists" really that scary, or just to braindrain ninja cops? Or like Seattle, where ALL the anarchists work for cops?

What if ninja cops started ARRESTING every G20 member and their bodyguards for treason, or at least for disturbing the peace and causing a public nuisanace? Is that what anarchists are for, to distract the cops from doign their REAL job?

And what's with college kids, er, adults? Are they really that stupid and impotent to think hanging out with ninja cops is a fun night out? If they're too chicken to fight a parking ticket in court, how are they gonna fight for their constitutional rights by suing cops for police brutality?

Can nobody really figure out how to BEAT the NWO? Are we really that stoopid?

10:30 pm on the Pitts scanner: "We've got a big protest crowd up there. Time to disperse em. There's gonna be a lot o people runnin around... Attention all units -- there's a high-powered rifle... Arrests are back to normal. Transport to ACJ...."
www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2242

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:15 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Now this is more like it. Try to motivate the cops to turn around 180 degrees and march to G20...

Correction: "Disobey your ILLEGAL orders!" All soldiers are taught to disobey illegal orders under UCMJ.
www.wearechange.org

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Friday, September 25, 2009 5:35 PM

I've been having similar thoughts, a mobile force of civil disobedience could be much more effective than a local one. chaotic also more than orderly, this is a big FAIL on peace marches.

Whackamole baiting, yes, best to avoid that.

Another thought: Since the dissapation of the serious trolls, some lurkers have been coming in for more conversations, it's actually made things more interesting.

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:20 AM

Quote:

You say "i need to protect myself"
I say "you just love guns and blood and killing people"
and then you say "did not!"
and then I say "did to!"

I'd like to think my response to "You just love guns and blood and killing people!" would be more along the lines of "Yes, but that's completely beside the point." [/snark]

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:04 AM

PIRATECAT

FF, I worked in Pittsburgh for 18 months. A real blue collar town. Your respected if you have a job. They don't like outsiders who are bums that are going to smash up the small businesses. I was there when the last G-8 protestors in 2003 came through. There wasn't a waitress or garbage man who wouldn't put a baseball bat to em. It's a democrat city of old, all about jobs of course union jobs. I love the people up there. They love their Steilers and IC light. The cops ran em out of there last time. That area is where the stadiums are. Where alot of bars are. The people there don't want those creeps in there town. I have no problem with what Pittsburgh did. I think there are alot of commies in those protestors. Just goes to show the O is not about change just the same old status quo. Those where his people. The protestors don't get working people. Pittsburgh has been through some hard times from the steel mill days. And those independent buisnesses aren't gonna let punk outsiders trash there areas. There is not alot of growth in Pitt. They build a strip mall it's a big deal in the buisness community.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:27 AM

I'll note for the record that most of the damage was caused by the police themselves or their agents - again, check the shoes.

Then there was that one cop, just goin down the street at the end of the line when they were shoving the protesters back, handily smashing out windows as they passed with his nightstick.

Seriously, watch the tapes, the protesters were pretty damn pathetic in comparison, and IMHO failed from the start by trying to play nice (and I mean different things from vandalism when I say that) and setting themselves up as a punching bag for the giggling jackboot bullies.

Remember, the same folk who are trying to sell you on the protesters being so "bad" are the same folk who tried to sell you Saddams WMD, don't go giving them credence just cause you'd prefer to believe what they're saying over an unfortunate reality you'd rather not.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:36 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

LRAD sound cannon attacking children at their homes in Pitts

Pitts business owners lost $1,000s of dollars each since the cops terrorized and locked out their customers.

Pitts G20 is the first time LRAD was sued against US citizens, and was used against Iraqi protestors during US genocide programs.

http://wearechange.org

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:54 PM

Well, it's good to know that PirateCat approves of using sound and microwave weapons against unarmed citizens as long as they're people he doesn't approve of.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:09 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Has anyone seen this video of this woman and her bike?

The officers obviously assaulted her, provoked an incident, all while she was trying to comply. WTF people?!!

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Officer-Clubs-Woman-on-Bicycle-at-G20-P
rotests/2908236

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:55 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Has anyone seen this video of this woman and her bike?

The officers obviously assaulted her, provoked an incident, all while she was trying to comply. WTF people?!!

You guys keep being outraged by police behaviour which is like saying "fire is hot," and then you stick your hands back in the flames. Great, take your busted selves and your righteous indignation to jail. You'll be 100% right and you'll be in jail. In the end what do you really want?

INTERNET anyone? Does it occur to any of these well intentioned citizens how outdated and outmoded public/civil disobedience is? Like ants at a picnic.

or...

Why in the world IF they were going to protest would they pick the week OF the meeting when there would be the most security?? UNLESS it was to get some of their brethren's heads beat in, on camera, to incite police brutality and create sympathy for their cause? I can't figure, but I got no one in this fight.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:29 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Has anyone seen this video of this woman and her bike?

The officers obviously assaulted her, provoked an incident, all while she was trying to comply. WTF people?!!

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Officer-Clubs-Woman-on-Bicycle-at-G20-P
rotests/2908236

Weird - the article says it was part of the G20 protests in Pittsburgh, but the titles on the TV screen in the video say it happened in Oakland.

Oh, and Pizmo? The reason they protest then and there is, that's where the "leaders" of these nations are, and they're hoping that by showing up, they'll have an impact on those leaders and their views. Show 'em that huge crowds of people are unhappy with them, and all that. It was the same idea behind the 9/12 and Town Hall meetings - except while those folks were protesting "tyranny", I don't remember any of them getting their heads bashed in by riot police. And I doubt people like PirateCat would applaud it if they did.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:48 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Has anyone seen this video of this woman and her bike?

The officers obviously assaulted her, provoked an incident, all while she was trying to comply. WTF people?!!

You guys keep being outraged by police behaviour which is like saying "fire is hot," and then you stick your hands back in the flames. Great, take your busted selves and your righteous indignation to jail. You'll be 100% right and you'll be in jail. In the end what do you really want?

INTERNET anyone? Does it occur to any of these well intentioned citizens how outdated and outmoded public/civil disobedience is? Like ants at a picnic.

or...

Why in the world IF they were going to protest would they pick the week OF the meeting when there would be the most security?? UNLESS it was to get some of their brethren's heads beat in, on camera, to incite police brutality and create sympathy for their cause? I can't figure, but I got no one in this fight.

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Hello,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

History has shown that allowing the enemy to demonstrate his brutality in a public theater can help to create the change you want in the world.

Sometimes, bleeding for your cause does more good than killing for it. Just ask Ghandi.

As for 'the internet', people are seldom impressed with internet petitions and online rallies. These protesters ARE using the internet, but they are using it to display footage of public protesters being abused by authority.

And yes, of course they know what the police are going to do to them. They bring masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with them when they go to protest.

Which is the point, I believe. It is a travesty that the first amendment can only be observed if you bring gas masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with you. And then, only for a little while.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:53 AM

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Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Police State Death Squad Death Ray at G20 Overthrow of USA Today

Note how the first picture shows a microwave death ray that cooks you alive. Literally. ROUND antenna.

Not to say that ADS wasn't used in Pittsburgh, but that round thing on the Lenco Bear isn't it. It's a hatch cover for the pop-up sound cannon.

You can see it in some of the pictures here.

http://www.armoredtrucks.com/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:20 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Has anyone seen this video of this woman and her bike?

The officers obviously assaulted her, provoked an incident, all while she was trying to comply. WTF people?!!

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Officer-Clubs-Woman-on-Bicycle-at-G20-P
rotests/2908236

Weird - the article says it was part of the G20 protests in Pittsburgh, but the titles on the TV screen in the video say it happened in Oakland.

Oh, and Pizmo? The reason they protest then and there is, that's where the "leaders" of these nations are, and they're hoping that by showing up, they'll have an impact on those leaders and their views. Show 'em that huge crowds of people are unhappy with them, and all that. It was the same idea behind the 9/12 and Town Hall meetings - except while those folks were protesting "tyranny", I don't remember any of them getting their heads bashed in by riot police. And I doubt people like PirateCat would applaud it if they did.

Mike - I wondered that too about the titles but thought maybe there's an Oakland neighborhood of Pittsburgh? I decided that considering the soucre (PN) it really didn't warrant knowing the specifics, the scene (brutal and avoidable) spoke for itself whatever the location.

I think the last thing the G20 members care about are the protesters and their message, other than sincerely wishing they can return to their homes safely at the end of the day. They have a lot on their plate already. People yelling with bullhorns? Youth lives to rebel.

Sorry, gotta run, back soon. One thought: consider what you would do if you were the mayor of Pittsburgh and you just landed the G20 summit. What's you next call? And not wishful thinking but actual what's real.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:54 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird - the article says it was part of the G20 protests in Pittsburgh, but the titles on the TV screen in the video say it happened in Oakland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_(Pittsburgh)

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:03 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird - the article says it was part of the G20 protests in Pittsburgh, but the titles on the TV screen in the video say it happened in Oakland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_(Pittsburgh)

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Thanks, that clears things up a bit.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:16 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, and Pizmo? The reason they protest then and there is, that's where the "leaders" of these nations are, and they're hoping that by showing up, they'll have an impact on those leaders and their views. Show 'em that huge crowds of people are unhappy with them, and all that. It was the same idea behind the 9/12 and Town Hall meetings - except while those folks were protesting "tyranny", I don't remember any of them getting their heads bashed in by riot police. And I doubt people like PirateCat would applaud it if they did.

You bring up a very good alternative to marching. It "worked" for the townhall and tea party yellers in that it got their agenda noticed, certainly way beyond the G20 marchers.
Say what you will about MSM, but if you get them to notice you are apt to reach, what, a couple more million people with your message than if you don't? In the end I'm not sure it worked to their advantage though because it revealed them to be a bit crazed and phony. In terms of getting their message heard though, both (townhall and Tea Parties) were very successful.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:32 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Hello,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

History has shown that allowing the enemy to demonstrate his brutality in a public theater can help to create the change you want in the world.

Sometimes, bleeding for your cause does more good than killing for it. Just ask Ghandi.

As for 'the internet', people are seldom impressed with internet petitions and online rallies. These protesters ARE using the internet, but they are using it to display footage of public protesters being abused by authority.

And yes, of course they know what the police are going to do to them. They bring masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with them when they go to protest.

Which is the point, I believe. It is a travesty that the first amendment can only be observed if you bring gas masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with you. And then, only for a little while.

--Anthony

Interesting Anthony - in a previous post (that I edited into non-existence) I mentioned Kent State as a reason for sound canons and pain beams - non lethal alternatives to guns and bullets.

I totally agree, it was my point even: they are trying to bleed on camera to get noticed. Only guess what? The networks know that so they ignored them pretty much rather than be manipulated by them. Yet another reason marching is antiquated.

While I totally believe Frem's obsevations of "Jackboots" breaking windows and instigating destruction and beat downs, it also makes sense that given the assumption that the Marchers went to Pittsburgh to bleed for their cause, THAT THEY TOO were going to instigate and pull the same phony sh*t to get "the brutality" on film. Their protest without violence and controversy would be a loss for them, so of course they're going to provoke.

Again, I can't find a side to root for here.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:43 AM

Pizmo

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INTERNET anyone? Does it occur to any of these well intentioned citizens how outdated and outmoded public/civil disobedience is? Like ants at a picnic.

Oh I TRIED to tell em, but they were gonna do it the way daddy and grandaddy did and that was that, never mind that it didn't REALLY work that hot even then - just ask the freakin IWW about that...

Same old throw together disorganised mob complete with police infiltrators just like always, no operational or signal security, begging for a protest permit from the very folks you're protesting against (idiotic in and of itself) that also includes the route your planning to take, thus allowing one to be kettled and beaten, and for what, when the mainstream press is gonna ignore you and the indepedents are gonna get shut out, shut up, and arrested.

Hell, the only benefit to their pathetic stupidity this time was that no one seems to care enough to come seize the indymedia servers on some bullshit pretense as an act of chilling effect retaliation.

Quote:
Why in the world IF they were going to protest would they pick the week OF the meeting when there would be the most security?? UNLESS it was to get some of their brethren's heads beat in, on camera, to incite police brutality and create sympathy for their cause? I can't figure, but I got no one in this fight.

Tried to tell em THAT too, but in an ironic echo of corporate stupidity, if it was good enough for daddy and grandaddy...
*eyeroll*
Of course, after extracting their beaten, bleeding, deaf and stupid asses, my "price" for it is them having to hear all the I-told-you-so and other speechifyin I pleased to deliver, complete with little black box* since I could not be on-site myself.
(*Charlies Angels Joke, I often use "the box" when I cannot be on site)

Quote:
Say what you will about MSM, but if you get them to notice you are apt to reach, what, a couple more million people with your message than if you don't? In the end I'm not sure it worked to their advantage though because it revealed them to be a bit crazed and phony. In terms of getting their message heard though, both (townhall and Tea Parties) were very successful.

Ayep, and protesters seem very late on the draw and behind the curve when it comes to information warfare or psychological exploitation of the media, you can run a good bit right past their filters by playing on sensationalism or novelty.

Quote:
Again, I can't find a side to root for here.

Well, can't say that I was actually rooting for either one myself, just helping minimize the damage of something I considered a "learning experience" for the protesters in question - and a very subtle threat that not all opposition is completely incompetent, being *there* but not an active participant wasn't lost on the guardsmen, some of whom called us in sympathy, as they weren't too keen on getting involved at all and felt a certain solidarity since neither of us had any real intent to take the field unless things got way out of hand - they didn't wanna go head to head if that happened and so were willing to work it out with us in case it came to that, cause to a soldier, hell, medivac is medivac no matter WHO is driving the van, right ?

Next time these folks have to hear my "So you're gonna go lecture the dragon" speech though, one can be assured more of em will listen, leastways I hope so.

Anthony

Quote:
And yes, of course they know what the police are going to do to them. They bring masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with them when they go to protest.

Which is the point, I believe. It is a travesty that the first amendment can only be observed if you bring gas masks, medical personnel, and extraction teams with you. And then, only for a little while.

They did bring masks, I'll give em that, and we provided some from our supplies on loan, and they brought two of their own legal teams, and some medics, but they damn sure didn't bring enough.
The extraction teams and overwatch video systems were completely ours though, and we only supported this endeavor to SHOW them what was going to happen, and run up support/recruits for doing it in ways that will be substantially more effective.
NONE of my personnel got roughed up or arrested, and only one got shot at, a regular freakin milkrun, for us, at least.

Geezer

Quote:
Not to say that ADS wasn't used in Pittsburgh, but that round thing on the Lenco Bear isn't it. It's a hatch cover for the pop-up sound cannon.

Ayep, that's what they call an L-RAD or what have you, wasn't too effective against the active damping we used, nor the range earmuffs we damn well had plenty of layin around anyways - and the vehicle itself has three severe weak points, one of which is extremely visible and inviting in that photo.
The ADS didn't last five minutes - at first we thought it had a technical or mechanical failure, but later some guardsmen told us some asshole hit it with a slingshot and disabled it - wasn't one of our assholes, but it does amuse one when once again, the equivalent of a thrown rock negates technological advantage.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:45 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

In this age, perhaps because of the internet, the networks are less important than they used to be. Any man or woman can be a reporter, and often are.

Here's my position on this-

If the protesters aren't attacking the cops or destroying public property, (and most of them aren't!) then there is no reason to use violence against them.

I'm not sure what kind of 'provocation' you think these people are making, but standing around, chanting, and holding signs ain't provocation for violence in my book. It sounds much more like citizens assembling to exercise free speech and petition government for a redress of grievances.

To this, a response should not include shield bashing, punching, caning, chemical warfare, or pain compliance weaponry.

To my mind, the protesters are ably demonstrating at least one very real and continuing problem. It may not be the one they claim to be marching for, but it is one dear to my heart.

Abuse of Power. Wrong in any package, color, or stripe. Especially when the package is a uniform, the color is green, blue or black, and the stripes denote rank in the police force or a military agency.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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