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Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:10 PM

PIRATENEWS

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www.prisonplanet.com/secret-footage-specifies-chaos-minutes-after-the-
oklahoma-city-bombing.html


But none of the 15 videos of the actual bombings, of course, which would show the Federal Bldg exploding outward, with a little truck bomb exploding later by detonation by an Iraqi Pentagon employee.


Another dry run for 9/11 as part of Operation Northwoods, with official contracts for 9/11 bomber contractors CDI and BFI.

Funny how the gubmit has no hesitation to massacre its own police employees and their little children. Except for BATF who were warned to flee the building in their bomb gear.

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:32 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Your conspiracy theories boggle.

Why get a robot drone airliner and rotate passengers off at secret landings when it is much easier to simply have the CIA sponsor real terrorists to do what they really want to do?

Why plant explosives in a building when you're about to hit it with airliners anyway?

Why plant explosives in a building and then blow up a truck for show, when you could much more easily put actual powerful explosives in the truck and do the same job?

Your plots are needlessly complex. I could do it with half the money, support, and risk.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Why plant explosives in a building and then blow up a truck for show, when you could much more easily put actual powerful explosives in the truck and do the same job?

I know it sounds ridiculous, but that WAS done, Anthony - there's stone cold proof from the actual reports by the agencies on site.

There were multiple explosive devices inside, some of which failed to detonate, one of which was clamped to the buildings natural gas lines.

The WHOLE building was supposed to come down and not leave any evidence, you see, but some of the explosives failed, resulting in a partial collapse - and the truck bomb was unenriched ANFO, which is a low order explosive and incapable of doing significant structural damage whatever to the building from the range it was detonated.

Regardless of where the actual blame lies, that *IS* how it came out, complete with hard evidence of everything I mentioned here, and in light of the WTC 1993 bombing, I am not inclined to believe that the involvement of federal agencies in the mess was limited to an observational role.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:13 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Your conspiracy theories boggle.

Why get a robot drone airliner and rotate passengers off at secret landings when it is much easier to simply have the CIA sponsor real terrorists to do what they really want to do?

Why plant explosives in a building when you're about to hit it with airliners anyway?

Why plant explosives in a building and then blow up a truck for show, when you could much more easily put actual powerful explosives in the truck and do the same job?

Your plots are needlessly complex. I could do it with half the money, support, and risk.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner




I call you bluff sir...



PROVE IT !!!!!


give me your homestate, and I will post you an address





" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:05 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hey,

Don't forget the money and support, Gino. I'll need half a mil up front. And don't worry if you don't see any action right away. And don't worry about any vacations I may take to exotic tropical locales. ;-)


--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 1:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Setting up a training camp and munitions factory in Fiji, Anthony?




Personally, I'd demand more than half a mil. That just won't get you very far in today's economic climate!

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Monday, September 28, 2009 2:35 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Your plots are needlessly complex. I could do it with half the money, support, and risk.


Yeah, even Oliver Stone says these guys are full of crap.

Course he was forced to say that by the Jews following Nazi Operation Stone-woods on behalf of pedophile Iraqi-Jew Nazi Queen Elizabeth.

PN thinks the holocaust was a lie and the six million missing Jews are all living in New Jersey watching live 24hour PirateNews surveilance feeds provided by the Tennessee State Highway Death Squad Patrol.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 3:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

actual reports by the agencies on site
I hate to pull a Geezer but... links please?

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Monday, September 28, 2009 5:27 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

It is never wrong to ask for evidence for extraordinary claims.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 6:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

I hate to pull a Geezer but... links please?

Links hell - here, verify as you wish.













The primary source and original host of the links in question has been out of commission since slightly before the G20 mess, but I am nothing if not very goddamn thorough when it comes to backing up evidence.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, September 28, 2009 7:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow.

Thanks Frem. Given the evanescence of web info, I had a feeling that if I googled the topic all I would come up with is a bunch of go se.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 8:35 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Thanks Frem. Given the evanescence of web info, I had a feeling that if I googled the topic all I would come up with is a bunch of go se.


No...just stand still long enough and their flying monkey crap will come to you.

In Soviet Russia, go se googles YOU!

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 8:53 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

According to this report, if I'm reading it right...

The vehicle bomb was the source of the explosion.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 9:19 AM

PIRATENEWS

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OKC bomb blasts were OUTWARD not inward, interior bomb evidence wrapped in plastic

Quote:

Lawyer says Oklahoma City bombing tapes edited

"Four cameras in four different locations going blank at basically the same time on the morning of April 19, 1995. There ain’t no such thing as a coincidence,” Jesse Trentadue told The Associated Press Sunday.

"The interesting thing is they spring back on after 9:02,” he said. "The absence of footage from these crucial time intervals is evidence that there is something there that the FBI doesn’t want anybody to see.”

None of the recordings show the bomb truck exploding outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building at 9:02 a.m.

Trentadue began looking into the bombing after his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, died at the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center in August 1995.

The brother was never a bombing suspect, but Jesse Trentadue alleges guards mistook his brother for one and beat him to death during an interrogation .

http://newsok.com/lawyer-says-bombing-tapes-edited/article/3404585



Torturing your brother to death in a death camp in USA to get a false confession, that's Amerika! Or Gitmo. Or Abu Ghraib. Or 100 other black sites. Or your local jail.

Here's a 30 minute review of the proof the feds bombed their own Fed Bldg in OKC. Even the Pentagon says the feds did it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105

In 1993 Billary Clinton-Blythe (Rockefeller) bombed both the World Trade Center and the Waco church. At WTC in 1993, FBI confessed on 100 hours of its own employee's audiotape to paying $1.5-million to their bomber Emad Salem, giving him the bomb, then giving him immunity to testify as the star witness. Then Billary bombed OKC in 1997. Billary also bombed Yugoslavia which destroyed it into 3 nations. Billary also bombed Iraq every day for 8 years, genociding 500,000 kids.

Both Waco Bombing Massacre and OKC bombing were on April 19th, the day the US Revolutionary War began against the British Empire at the Battle of Lexington and Concord, the same day of Paul Revere's Ride/Capture/Escape. The British Empire hates USA on April 19.

I remind that my job in USAF was nuking active US military bases in UK, detonating the nukes in controlled demolitions using C4 shape charges. Sounds like Operation Northwoods...

Military and FBI practiced blowing up Ryder trucks weeks before OKC bombing
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/TRUCK/truck.html
http://www.hourofthetime.com/okcbombingcoverup.html



Kosher pedophiles at SPLC (ADL) ran the "white Nazi" camp, not Nichols and McVeigh.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 9:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Anthony- It also says that two OTHER explosive devices were found.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 9:47 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Yes, but neither is described as having detonated. This leaves the vehicle bomb as the undisputed source of the damage, according to the reports.

It does create many questions, but it does not show that the building was blown from within.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 10:17 AM

BYTEMITE


I point out that you wouldn't "find" an exploded bomb, you would find fragments or residue.

I don't think we know if the bombs recovered from the building were a different type of explosive than what was in the truck.

If they were, then maybe if different residue or debris were found at the site more in accordance to the unexploded bombs, we could have a good case here.

(Though, personally, I'm inclined to believe finding undetonated bombs in an exploded building might suggest other planted bombs that did explode)

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Monday, September 28, 2009 10:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Imagine a firecracker in the palm of your hand. You set it off, what happens? You burn your hand, right? You close your fist around the same firecracker, and set it off.
Your wife's gonna be opening your ketchup bottles the rest of your life.


Ah, see... here's the thing, I *DO* know a little bit about blowin shit up, ok ?

A low order ANFO explosion can't do that to concrete and steel, not from that range no matter how you boosted or shaped it, and that truck bomb was so ungodly halfassed I personally am surprised it went off at all, heaven knows it took enough extra kickers to do it...

But let's go to someone with a bit more experience at making stuff go boom, Brigadier General Benton K. Partin - who's assessment matches mine, and is fully documented, signed and sworn to.
http://www.physics911.net/generalpartinreport

Look, ANFO is good for blowing stumps and all, and can do a lot of damage if you have a shaped charge right up against a support beam, but even that is iffy, and you're certainly not gonna blow the whole side of the building out with a setup as crackbrained as what was in that truck - which the "official" story consistently kept upping the tonnage of when that became apparent, till they started getting into amounts which would not have FIT in the truck.

As for the seismographic, explainations of it as a single event with aftershocks don't hold water, although I don't claim to be an expert on the things, all the evidence I've seen points to multiple detonations.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eosholzer.html

And while I don't have time to fully research it, this condensed bit asks many of the right questions which can also be followed up if someone has the time.
http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt_01.htm

There's a lot of other funny questions laying about no one's come up with a rational answer to, like the Ryder truck spotted in a nearby military base just prior to the incident, and McVeigh on post and apparently on duty despite having been officially discharged over a year before that - which I suspect might indicate some involvement from right-wing military sympathizers rather than an outright high level conspiracy - but still, few are asking, and no one is answering, those questions.

Given what *eventually* came out in the aftermath of WTC 1993, it certainly doesn't encourage one to believe the truth is being told here neither.

Fact of the matter is, the "Official Story" is bullshit, and the folks best able to contradict it are conveniently dead - so it's unlikely we'll ever *know* for sure...

But I *DO* know that once again, the alphabet goons lied to us, intentionally and with malice aforethought, which always leads to the same age old question.

Who benefits ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, September 28, 2009 12:34 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Who does benefit? I was a mite bit younger when this all went down, but I can't recall who gained by it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 12:44 PM

BYTEMITE


It's a fear thing. Scare people, and you can get public support for just about any damn thing. You can also pass a whole lot of crazy bills.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 12:51 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Who does benefit? I was a mite bit younger when this all went down, but I can't recall who gained by it.



Initially, it was released to the press that a group of Muslim looking people were seen running away from the scene. That would have gotten us to where we are today much sooner.

After the Soviet Union collapsed (oh, they were SOOOO frightening they couldn't even keep their economy going- Red Scare was complete BS), the Pentagon released white papers among their think tanks asking them to justify the current military budget in a post Cold War world. The think tanks told them to look to a series of low intensity conflicts in the Middle East.


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Monday, September 28, 2009 1:46 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

The 'arab threat' was quickly discarded. Even I remember that from back then. It was too quickly and easily discarded to have been the point.

So... who benefits?

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 1:57 PM

BYTEMITE


Was it?

What two major wars/peacekeeping missions are we fighting, and who's our next likely target? And after that, who?

I see 'em. Do you?

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Monday, September 28, 2009 2:15 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Neither of those wars are related to an Oklahoma/Arab connection. So no, I don't see it.

The world trade center has a very strong connection fostered by the government, but Oklahoma hardly had any. If Oklahoma was supposed to indict the Middle East, it was a highly anemic and ineffectual attempt. I don't buy it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 2:35 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The 'arab threat' was quickly discarded. Even I remember that from back then. It was too quickly and easily discarded to have been the point.



Really? Actually the Arab threat hype started with the 1993 WTC bombing led by a Kuwaiti- remember that country we 'saved' from Saddam just a couple of years before. The media jumped on the band wagon (or were prodded) with shows like the 1994 series "Jihad in America". For the OKCB, the few days that the American public was led to believe it was Muslims, Bob Dole was able to pass his pet legislation 'Omnibus Counter-terrorism Act of 1995' which had provisions for enabling the use of "secret evidence" to deport immigrants and lessened or eliminated restrictions for conducting phone taps. A huge amount of anti-Muslim imagery was embedded in the psyche of Americans in a few short days. Mosques were burned in America. One Muslim woman in Oklahoma City was almost stoned to death when an angry mob attacked her at her home. This moment helped lay the hate that would allow us to end up in Afghanistan and back in Iraq. Never forget- Saudis, Egyptians, and Kuwaitis were the ones who financed and led both attacks on the WTC. Some of which were trained directly by the CIA and our Special Forces. Blow back is a typical counter intelligence tactic used by our intelligence ops. Something that seems to be lost in all the hype and prejudice.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 2:48 PM

MANGOLO


The Power of Nightmares



Well worth a watch

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Monday, September 28, 2009 3:26 PM

BYTEMITE


Ah, I thought you meant recent terrorist attacks in general. Sorry about that.

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Monday, September 28, 2009 3:26 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I guess I have a hard time believing they blew up a building to get just a week's worth of anti-muslim imagery, only to undermine that imagery immediately with the revelation that it wasn't muslims at all. The message I got from the whole thing was, "Don't be too quick to blame foreigners for our troubles."

Awful, awful job, if that was the point.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, September 28, 2009 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I've wondered for a while, given the aftermath of 9/11 -

Why didn't we bomb Tim McVeigh's hometown? Shouldn't we have bombed Lockport, New York into the Stone Age after the OKC bombing?


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Monday, September 28, 2009 4:18 PM

FREMDFIRMA


There's a difference between MIHOP, LIHOP, and helpin it along, which is what happened in 1993 without a shadow of a doubt, and may well have also happened here.

And it comes down to power, and money, and justification of the alphabet agencies existence, funding and activities, NONE of which has been questioned or even investigated properly since the Church Committee and even then glossed over.

You wanna fight terrorism, start in Langley, in Quantico, and Washington - cause for a fact they've done more OF it to us than any other source.

Besides which, if - with all that nearly limitless power and bottomless budget, those SUPPOSED to protect us from this kinda thing are completely unable to to do so...

Why are we footing the bill, again ?

Especially when every time someone pulls it off or even comes close what DO we find involved somewhere, eh ?

Eventually we're going to have admit our own agencies are the real bad guys, and do something about it - the sooner the better.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, September 28, 2009 4:33 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I've wondered for a while, given the aftermath of 9/11 -
Why didn't we bomb Tim McVeigh's hometown? Shouldn't we have bombed Lockport, New York into the Stone Age after the OKC bombing?



At least we should have put a closer watch on domestic terrorism. Almost all the 9/11 guys trained in the U.S. for many months before the attack.


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Monday, September 28, 2009 4:34 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's a difference between MIHOP, LIHOP, and helpin it along, which is what happened in 1993 without a shadow of a doubt, and may well have also happened here.

And it comes down to power, and money, and justification of the alphabet agencies existence, funding and activities, NONE of which has been questioned or even investigated properly since the Church Committee and even then glossed over.

You wanna fight terrorism, start in Langley, in Quantico, and Washington - cause for a fact they've done more OF it to us than any other source.

Besides which, if - with all that nearly limitless power and bottomless budget, those SUPPOSED to protect us from this kinda thing are completely unable to to do so...

Why are we footing the bill, again ?

Especially when every time someone pulls it off or even comes close what DO we find involved somewhere, eh ?

Eventually we're going to have admit our own agencies are the real bad guys, and do something about it - the sooner the better.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it



Well said.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Tripped over a really fascinating article in Vanity Fair regarding this whole mess earlier...

The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2001/09/mcveigh200109?curr
entPage=1


Not sure if I see it that way or agree with a lot of it, but it does make one think, and that's always a good thing.

-F

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