November the 5th by Wulfenstar

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November the 5th

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:15
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Monday, October 5, 2009 8:50 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

1 month to go.

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Monday, October 5, 2009 9:54 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Remember remember 11 September, and Bush family treason by Thomas Percy, whose head is still on a stick in British Parliament for the Gunpowder Plot of 1605.

www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/parliamentar
y_archives/gunpowder_plot_400_pow.cfm
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/174

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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Okay, Wulfie - I'm counting on you to DO SOMETHING on 5 November. After all, you're inciting all this, and you say only actions matter, not words. So quit dicking around and DO SOMETHING already.

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Monday, October 5, 2009 6:53 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

You wanna head to the White House, guns blazing, trying to take it back for "us", then be my guest. Just don't be too shocked when you get no support, likely killed and mercilessly ridiculed for the next few weeks for being dumb enough to try that.

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Monday, October 5, 2009 7:47 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by Cuda77:
You wanna head to the White House, guns blazing, trying to take it back for "us", then be my guest. Just don't be too shocked when you get no support, likely killed and mercilessly ridiculed for the next few weeks for being dumb enough to try that.

That why you need fundraising to buy a tac nuke from Russia

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, October 5, 2009 9:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually, just so folk know, the primary motivator of that plot was a lack of religious tolerance on both sides, the powers that be, and the plotters, who were some pretty dastardly bastards themselves.

Ole Guido hisself was rather far from a hero, given that he and his cohorts meant to install a regime every bit as corrupt as the one they planned to remove.

However, most Anarchists see November 5th as a reminder that powers that govern due so best if they fear the reaction of the governed - and that religious intolerance of any kind is a damned stupid idea.

And since historically, Anarchists have been so piss poor AT blowing stuff up (seriously, we're talkin nine-to-one, here!) they gave that up back in the 1940s as both ineffective and too damn dangerous - the primary vector has been simple education, in matters of spirit, pysche and human relations, counter to the propaganda deluged upon people from birth.

You'd do far better encouraging folk to read Kropotkin, and be more in line with those principles, than trying to *force* anyone to do, or not do, anything - given that the latter is in direct contravention of the very principles you're trying to uphold.

But then, imma heretic, far as most Anarchists go, so do what you will with that knowledge.

-F

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:46 AM

KWICKO

Right on, Frem.

If you want to hold a November 5 march and try to educate the public into the WHYs of such things, I'm in. If Wulfy just wants to make a last, desperate stand to prove he's serious, I'm out.

Our government has long been imperfect, but lately seems ever more to be slouching toward Bethlehem...

Quote:
The Second Coming (Slouching towards Bethlehem)

W.B. Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

See my other post. "How about this".

You guys want to use this as a simple start date to get things back on track?

ETA: And no, Im NOT talking about some suicide run at the White House.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:06 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

Be specific. State succinctly, unambiguously and specifically what it is you suggest on 11/5 to commemorate the beginning of your movement to make change.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:14 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8263858.stm?lsm

Was this man the first terrorist of the modern age?

It's eight years to the day since the first shots were fired in America's War on Terror. But can the terrorism tactics it sought to crush be traced back to a single attack on a Parisian cafe more than 100 years ago, asks Professor John Merriman.

On February 12, 1894, a young intellectual anarchist named Emile Henry went out to kill. And, in doing so, he arguably ignited the age of modern terrorism.

As he had looked down on Paris from near his miserable lodgings in the plebeian 20th arrondissement on the edge of Paris, he vowed war on the bourgeoisie. His specific goal was to avenge the execution of Auguste Vaillant a week earlier.

Unable to feed his family, Vaillant had thrown a small bomb into the Chamber of Deputies, slightly wounding several people. His goal: to call attention to the plight of the poor.
Emile Henry
Unlike previous anarchist bombers, Henry was an intellectual

Now, armed with a bomb hidden under his coat, Henry walked up the Avenue de l'Opera, pausing at several elegant cafes, but he moved on because they were not full enough. He entered the Cafe Terminus, which is still there, near the Gare St Lazare, ordered two beers, and a cigar.

With the latter he lit the fuse of his bomb, and threw it into the cafe, leaving carnage behind. Amid thick, acrid smoke, marble tables, metal chairs, and mirrors had shattered. The screams and shouts of those wounded joined the smoke.

Henry ran away, before being wrestled to the ground after a fierce struggle. In the cafe, 20 people had been wounded, some very seriously, one of whom would die.

Along with the bombing of the Liceo theatre in Barcelona, the attack on the Cafe Terminus signalled a marked change in targets of terrorists.

Where before it was policemen or heads of state - the French president Sadi Carnot was assassinated the same year - who were the targets of violent anarchists, now it was ordinary people. The bourgeois.

Guillotine

At his trial, Henry described how his love for humanity had been transformed into hatred for the ruling classes. Fifteen months earlier, one of his bombs had killed five policemen. Now he had gone out to kill bourgeois because they were who they were.
Henry at guillotine
Henry was executed, by guillotine, three months after his attack

He had "no respect for human life, because the bourgeois themselves have absolutely none".

Emile Henry was guillotined at age 21.

There are of course salient differences between the terrorists of the 1890s and those in our world. For one thing, the role of religious fundamentalism, such as so-called jihadists who subscribe to al-Qaeda's world view, was not a part of anarchist attacks.

However, can we find useful parallels between Henry's bomb, or "deed" as the violent anarchists used to call such attacks, and terrorism today?

Then, as now, terrorists targeted anyone identified with their enemies. Moreover, both cut across social boundaries. Unlike the notorious French anarchist bombers Ravachol and Vaillant, who were decidedly down and out, Emile Henry was an intellectual.

Both groups have used weapons that levelled the playing fields. Dynamite, invented in 1868 by Alfred Nobel, represented as one contemporary put it "a modern revolutionary alchemy".

Kamikaze pilots

An American anarchist crowed, before being hanged in Chicago following the famous police riot at Haymarket, "in giving dynamite to the downtrodden millions of the globe, science has done its best work."

Both share a fervent belief in ideology, and confidence that eventually they will win - providing an apocalyptical, even millenarian aspect to terrorists

Likewise, road-side bombs in today's world have emerged as a weapon of choice. And then, as now, terrorist practitioners seek "revolutionary immortality" - hoping to inspire others with their heroic demise. Suicide bombers, however, with the exception of Kamikaze pilots, are a new phenomenon.

Both sets of terrorists target a powerful enemy, a structure they set out to destroy. For the anarchists, the enemy was the state, and the pillars that supported it - capitalism, the army, and the Church, with Henry adding the bourgeoisie.

For the anarchists, only the destruction of the state could bring equality and thus happiness.

In the case of jihadists today, the West and particularly the power of the United States stand as the target.

Moreover, both share a fervent belief in ideology, and confidence that eventually they will win. This provides something of an apocalyptical, even millenarian aspect to terrorists, many of whom are young, intent on changing the world.

In dealing with terrorism, both the French government more than 100 years ago and American officials in the early period of the Iraq and Afghan conflicts, had a tendency to look for a centrally organised, massive conspiracy. Instead, they ought to have acknowledged the role of small groups or even isolated individuals undertaking locally organised, or freelance operations undertaken by "self-starter" terrorist groups.

Torture

Yet, there remains a fundamental difference between revolutionary violence and resistance violence, although they may well share tactics. The latter has in the 20th Century and beyond, been directed at occupying powers, for example, Israel, French forces in Algeria, and the US in Vietnam and Iraq.

Revolutionary and resistance terrorism, however, have in common that their violence is directed against states that they view as oppressive and whose presence they consider unjust.
Madrid bomb
The Madrid bombs of 2004 - an attack on civillians, not police or military

The anarchist attacks in the 1890s remind us of another dimension of terror where some people accuse the state itself of terrorism, undertaken often violently by a repressive state against its own people (or against those in places it invades or occupies).

This variety of terrorism is often conveniently forgotten or overlooked.

Indeed, one theory has it that "terrorism" began with the state, during the radical phase of the French Revolution.

Henry had been deeply affected by the state's increased repression of all dissidents. His father had seen state terror up close, condemned to death in absentia for having been a militant in the Paris Commune of 1871, after which at least 20,000 Parisians perished.

The over-reaction of state authorities in France, as well as in Italy and Spain, during the heyday of anarchist attacks did not work. Anarchists arrested in the systematic repression by the police in 1894, including a number of anarchist intellectuals put on trial that same year, accused of being in an "association of evil-doers," were not terrorists.

The French government used the panic that the anarchist bombs understandably brought to crack down on dissidents. The repression undercut the government's claim on moral authority. The French government in the 1890s did not torture prisoners - their Spanish counterpart did - public revulsion turned against the government and indeed the wave of attacks ended.

More than 100 years later, it is a policy from which today's elected leaders could, perhaps, learn.

John Merriman is the Charles Seymour professor of history at Yale University and author of The Dynamite Club: How a Bombing in Fin-De-Siecle Paris Ignited the Age of Modern Terror, published by JR Books.

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Item of note

Quote:
An American anarchist crowed, before being hanged in Chicago following the famous police riot at Haymarket, "in giving dynamite to the downtrodden millions of the globe, science has done its best work."

This quote is actually a base fiction, cooked up by the local newspapers while attempting to demonise them and all they stood for.

The ACTUAL, verified quote, just before the lever was pulled, was from August Spies, and it was "The time will come when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you strangle today!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

While the Anarchist movement had initially been quite fond of dynamite, over the next two decades it killed more Anarchists trying to use it than it did anyone else - about what you'd expect when you logically think about the slavish discipline, rote methodology and absolute obedience to certain principles required to construct a bomb both effective and safe to handle, and then ponder the radical divergence from that the Anarchist mindset often resulted in, on top of the folk who tried that method were the wildest of the bunch.

While there were notorious exceptions, generally blowing shit up hasn't really worked for Anarchism, and as such they mostly shove that under the rug the way one does a cousin that married his sister, a shameful bit of history few of them will admit and not many of them will discuss - I do cause I feel that lesson should NEVER be forgotten.

Regarding bombs and suchlike used for political reasons, there's an excellent article regarding such which can be found here.

The Poor Man's Air Force
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=8846

In regards to terrorism of the State itself, anyone with a knowledge of the related history of labor unions, anarchism and self-determination here in America can tell you more gruesome stories than you'd ever have the patience for, starting with the Civil war, of course - and gunpoint conscription of citizens to slaughter their rambunctious brethren at the States demand.

One particular example, since we're talking about bombing, is the one and only time the US Air Force has intentionally and under orders bombed american citizens, this was at the battle of Blair Mountain, when the UMWA retaliated for the outright murder of my ancestor Sid Hatfield following the firefight in Matewan when he stood up to the hired goons of the corporate robber barons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

Another good case of state terrorism was the hiring of the then-notorious Pinkertons as the core of the USDOJ - resulting in the practice of using goons to staff government agencies/contracts being outlawed about 20 years later, an act that mind you is still law, and currently being violated by many companies up to and including Blackwater/Xe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Pinkerton_Act

At it's root, Terrorism is the practice of using force and fear to bend others to your will regardless of their own - and in effect, and practice, has always been synonymous with Government in my opinion.

-Frem

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