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Monday, October 5, 2009 9:39 AM

WULFENSTAR

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How We Can Win the Second American Revolution Without Firing a Shot:

Ladies and Gentlemen.

I have news for you. Barack Obama is not the problem with America. He is merely the symptom. When big government failed, the people, not knowing what went wrong, went for the fresh face who promised that government would solve the problems the people didn’t know government caused in the first place.

America went off course many, many decades ago. Blaming Obama for our problems is like saying a 500 pound man is fat because he just ate three pizzas. Obama is the captain of the Titanic and his ship is speeding recklessly along, but he did not design the ship nor place that giant iceberg in its path.

The tragedy is that the American people do not know why the economy collapsed. They do not know the nature of the regime that runs the country. They do not know that this regime is not the regime for which the Founding Fathers and Mothers fought. They do not know what the regime was that the Founders fought for. Finally, they do not know that the solution to our economic collapse is to restore that regime.

What were those Minute Men fighting for at Lexington and Concord? A republic of largely independent states. They weren’t fighting for the Constitution. There was no Constitution. They were fighting for a republic that would protect their natural right to liberty.

What is a republic? There’s much confusion about this. We must get this right. John Adams once complained that he “never understood” what the guarantee of republican government meant “and I believe no man ever did or will.” With apologies to John Adams, by “republican,” I mean a government exercising limited powers delegated to it by the people, whose officials are answerable to the people in regular, free elections.

Distinguishing between a republic and a democracy is critical. Both forms of government feature voting by the people to select officials. The difference between them is that while republican voting is done for the purpose of choosing officials to administer the government in the pursuit of its narrowly defined functions; democratic voting is done, not only to select officials but also to determine the functions and goals and powers of the government. The guiding principle of republics is that they exercise narrow powers delegated to them by the people, who themselves, as individuals, possess such powers. They cannot spring as they do in democracies, ex nihilo, from the mob’s collective whim.

Only a republican government can be truly limited. A republican government may only exercise powers delegated by the people that the people actually possess. The people do not have the right to steal from their neighbors so they cannot delegate to the government the power to create a welfare state. The people don’t have the right to counterfeit so they cannot delegate that power to the Federal Reserve. The people do not have the right to rule the world so they cannot delegate to the government the right to create a global military empire. You see where I am going with this? If we had a republic, we wouldn’t be in the bloody mess we are in.

In a democracy, there are no real limits to government power. If you object, you will always be told, hey, majority rules.
Long before Barack Obama was born, America traded in its decentralized libertarian republic for a centralized, democratic, corporate state with a global military empire. You can’t destroy a great country immediately. By the 1970’s, however, the corporate state, the welfare-warfare state started to cause economic stagnation and an endless series of domestic and foreign crises. Middle class living standards have been frozen in place for decades. Our standard of living was only maintained by smoke and mirrors: young mothers joining the workforce, parents working three jobs, credit card and mortgage debt, huge federal deficits, inflation and foreign borrowing. What is happening now is judgment day, the day of reckoning, the day the national Ponzi scheme collapsed. To con the people into thinking that all was well, our puppet masters created a lot of phony money and the bill is now due.

Now, the solution to all this is quite simple. Here’s what we need to do.

1. Liquidate the global military empire, ending the two Asian land wars that George Bush got us into and the Democrats and Obama helped pay for.

2. Take the savings, trillions, and liquidate the federal welfare state, buying out all Social Security recipients with lump sum payments.

3. Abolish all the unconstitutional departments and programs like Education, Energy, HUD, HHS, and Agriculture.

4. Then we can repeal the Goddamned Income Tax Amendment, the worst thing that ever happened to this country, except for possibly–

5. The Federal Reserve–abolish it. Repeal the legal tender laws and gold and silver will automatically become market money.

6. Now, add a couple of amendments to bring the moribund Constitution back to life. Ban all corporate welfare so we never again have bankster heists and corporate bailouts. And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, let’s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy.

Now, that was easy, but if that platform was put up to a vote, it would lose, big-time.

So our real problem is how to put this plan into effect, how to restore the Republic, in short, how to win the Second American Revolution.

History—Pickett’s Charge; The Charge of the Light Brigade–shows what happens when a smaller army attacks a larger army in a heavily fortified position. They lose!

The sad truth is, though we want to restore the spirit of the American Revolution, we are outnumbered by Red Coats!
The vast majority of Americans now support Red Coat government: an arrogant King in a big castle, with a large court, ruling by edict from a distant capital, endless wars across the ocean for a global empire, and heavy taxes to pay for those wars. And we are now embroiled in two land wars in Asia in countries that previously expelled the British! That’s why Rudyard Kipling wrote:

When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Maybe the Loyalists who fled to Canada should come back home. After all, the British ultimately won the Revolutionary War. Their ideas prevailed. The Revolution is dead—unless the tea party movement can revive it.

Let’s assume for the sake of argument that about ten percent of Americans are fed up and ready for radical change. That means that 90% are not. That’s a huge problem. Remember that at Lexington, when the government gun controllers and tax collectors came up the road, the men of the town greeted them with muskets ready to fire. Today, if we did that, most of the men of the town would side with the federales.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are in 1770 again, when there was a small number of radicals who wanted independence but most people wanted to stay with England.

Being outnumbered doesn’t mean we can’t win. History also teaches that a smaller, more dedicated army, with a just cause, can prevail against a larger, mercenary force. But we need to become more dedicated, more committed, and at the end of the day, we need to get larger. We need converts just as the Patriots did.

So, our first task is obvious: education. We need to educate ourselves before we can educate others. We need to study the history and principles of the American Revolution. We need to study war and peace. War is the health of the state. We need to study economics.

Let’s take a quick look at the American Revolution.

• England needed money for war.
• They taxed the Colonists.
• The Colonists didn’t want to pay.
• England sent troops and tax collectors armed with general warrants to find taxable stuff.
• The Colonists got angry and threatened resistance.
• The English decided to seize the Colonists’ guns.
• War broke out.

Lessons:

• War means high taxes.
• Taxes mean invasion of privacy.
• To steal your money and violate your privacy, the government must disarm you first.
• You have the natural right to resist tyranny.
• Gun control was the proximate cause of the American Revolution.
• America was born in an act of resistance to gun control!

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Economics. Did you know that if the American people understood one simple principle, that we could shrink the size of government by 90% in three months. What principle? All resources are scarce. If we could only understand that principle, which just happens to be the first law of economics, then all the politicians’ lies about adding new programs like the bailout and stimulus would be laughed at.

So, we need to teach ourselves economics at home school—the living room laptop or the desk top computer in the attic or basement.

What does the free market have to do with the Republic? Everything! Republican government exists to protect private property. The free market is the free exchange of private property. A true republic can only have a free market economy.

Why can’t a republic have a global military empire?

An empire is designed to rule other nations for their benefit or ours. If it’s the former, it violates the purpose of a republic as limited to protecting the rights of its own citizens, not the planet’s. If it’s the latter, then the republic violates its own premise, the natural rights of all human beings. Empires require huge armies and bureaucracies and oppressive taxes which violate our right to private property, the right to keep what we earn. Empires, as Washington taught us, invite retaliation and thus the government betrays its only true purpose by jeopardizing the lives and security of its citizens by pointlessly manufacturing foreign enemies.

Once we understand our own history, the dynamics of war and peace and the principles of market economics, we need to start making more Patriots. Start with your family and friends, then co-workers, customers, clients, neighbors and members of your church or your gym if fitness is your religion.

Can you all convert 25 Patriots this year? If not, we will lose this fight.

What else can we do?

Remember, a direct assault when you are outnumbered will fail.

But we do not have to wait till we make more coverts to move towards our goal.

Let me back up and discuss strategy generally. We neglect strategy at our peril. Keep in mind that no movement such as ours has succeeded in its goal since Jefferson’s day.

There are only three ways to change politics.

Violence, political activity and direct citizen action.

Violence is out of the question. That’s our adversary’s tactic. That’s why we are here today. We favor liberty over violence, peace over war. Liberty = Peace = Order. Pierre Proudhon was wrong. Liberty is not the “Mother of Order.”
Liberty is order.

What about politics—lobbying and elections? Politics is rigged. Most politicians are corrupt degenerates and couldn’t care less what we think. And the last time an election led to smaller government in America was—-guess—-1800!
I have been fighting the political machine for 35 years and I firmly believe that direct citizen action is the only way we can beat them.

What is direct citizen action? Instead of convincing some bought-and-paid-for politician to change his little mind, or spending all summer trying to beat them at a rigged game and get good people elected, you choose your own battle ground and you choose courses of action that are designed to achieve your goal.

Direct citizen action is hardly a new concept. Ever hear of the Boston Tea Party? And it’s what Gandhi used to topple the British Empire. It’s what Martin Luther King used to fight Jim Crow.

We need to think about the things we do every day and figure out how we can integrate our movement into those daily routines. One thing we do every day is spend money. We buy things. We buy services. We pay bills.

How do politicians win elections? By buying TV time. Where do they get the money? Much of it comes from private businesses or private persons who run or own business firms. We know who they are and so I say to you: stop slitting your own throats. Stop buying things from business firms that fund the political machine and fund the corporate state and fund big government.

Now you can go down to Congressman Higgins’ office and talk to his staff till you’re blue in the face about getting rid of the Federal Reserve. They will ignore you and, when you leave, they will have a good laugh at your expense. Or, you can stop giving your money to his bankrollers. One tactic is a complete waste of time. The other will hurt his ability to raise money. If he can’t raise money, we can beat him when our numbers grow.

Boycott the bankers of the political class. Starve the Red Coats and Loyalists!

Now, if you are boycotting those fat cats and their firms, you are going to have to spend your money elsewhere. Here too you can directly aid the movement with each purchase. If we have ten percent of the population on our side, we probably have twenty-five percent of small businesses. Small business owners are natural libertarians. You don’t have to tell them how taxes are oppressive and how government regulations can strangle them. They know it because they live that nightmare each day. So I say, buy from Patriots. They will return the favor later in too many ways to imagine now. To hell with Red Coat companies. In this country, money talks. In politics, it’s the only thing that does.

You want to win this fight? You want a free country? Buy it!

How do we know which businesses to patronize? Easy. Look for the Betsy Ross flag, the flag the Patriots flew.
We need to get people’s attention. We need a new symbol because the current symbols of patriotism have lost their meaning. What does the current flag stand for? Limited government? A true republic? Minding our own business in the world as Washington advised? Obviously not. In fact, the flag is used to glorify a regime that would make the Patriots sick to their stomachs.

So I propose that we use the Betsy Ross flag to symbolize our movement. Our adversaries have their symbols; we will have better ones.

There is a great symbol out there for the taking that is universally understood to stand for the old republic. I propose we bring it to life again as the symbol of our movement and, further, to use it as a battle flag. Battle flags serve the critical function of identifying allies during the chaos of battle. When we see that flag, wherever we are in the country, we know there will be a kindred spirit behind that door.

As this movement grows, these flags will start dominating the landscape and we will know that victory is near.
Here’s another form of direct citizen action you can take. The original Patriots did not trust government, including prosecutors or judges. They knew the only way to restrain the power of government was by external checks and balances. They gave us two: the right to bear arms and juries. Naturally, they have tried to take both of these rights away from us. The right to bear arms is safe for the moment but let’s talk about juries.

The original concept of a jury was that it could override the judge on matters of law. Call that jury nullification. Every prominent founder who was a lawyer stated explicitly that juries have the right to judge the law itself and whether it would be unjust to convict a defendant for violating that law under the circumstances.

Tyrannical judges have ruled otherwise, thus overruling the Constitution by judicial fiat.

The bottom line is this. The founders believed you have a constitutional right to judge the law in a criminal case and any judge who says otherwise hasn’t studied our constitutional history.

The purpose of republican government is to protect the individual’s right to life, liberty and property. The Founders created a jury system to ensure that no one was convicted of a crime unless they violated the life, liberty or property of a fellow citizen. If you get a jury notice, don’t grumble. Show up and assert your rights and keep in mind that no one can tell you how to cast your vote in that jury room.

Now, just for the record, I’m not saying jurors should violate the law and lie to judges about their willingness to follow their instructions on the law. What I’m saying is that judges should follow the law and should not lie to jurors!
So, there are things you can do yourself and right now to move toward restoration of the Republic.

Make a list of the people you know and who respect your opinion. Family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, clients, customers. Write them a letter and tell them you have joined a movement to restore the American Republic and save the nation from the Red Coats who have destroyed it. Invite them to do the same. Host a meeting at your home to discuss the matter further.

Before that meeting, educate yourself about the history of your country, about economics, about the Federal Reserve, the income tax and the true nature of the present regime. We have created a web page with all the resources you will need.

PoliticalClassDismissed.com/teaparty

Immunize yourself from the lies of politicians. If any politician tells you they will improve your life, they’re lying. Don’t believe them. How do know a politician is lying? Their lips are moving. Teach your children not to believe them either. A politician will tell you face to face he will do this or that for you, then, as soon as you turn your back on him, he will pick your pocket to pay for the same promise he made to your neighbor.

Tolstoy wrote the politician’s credo:

“I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.”

So, you need to withdraw your support for the corrupt regime the federal government has become. That’s easy. Just stop. Stop voting for those degenerates and don’t vote for their opponents either unless they are Patriots. Stop being silent when people talk about politics. State your opinion clearly. Tell people you’ve joined the Second American Revolution and urge them to do so as well.

You can also start to support the new media sites that are already fighting this battle. A website is no better than its traffic. If you patronize sites such as PoliticalClassDismissed.com, you make us more influential so we can fight harder for you. When you’re surfing the web, consider if the sites you frequent are part of the problem.

And stop supporting authors and magazines that led us astray in recent years. Stop funding organizations whose policies have failed. Stop supporting websites whose policies have failed. You need to go out and find those authors, groups, websites, books and magazines such as Ilana Mercer of World Net Daily who got it right the last ten years. We have created a page with those links.

Use the Betsy Ross flag; patronize business firms that fly or display the flag; stop patronizing Red Coat firms that take your money and hand it off to the political class. Stop slitting your owns throats. Stop giving your money to the bankers of the political class.

If you serve on a jury, educate yourself about your constitutional right to decide the case based on your conscience. No judge or fellow juror can tell you that you must convict someone of a victimless crime if you believe there is reasonable doubt.

To sum up, here’s a 12-step program for how you can start to restore the American Republic.

1. Decide that you’ve had enough. You want to do something to reverse America’s economic collapse. That something is nothing less than restoring the American republic. America’s problems of today were caused by the abandonment of that Republic slowly over a long period of time. Pledge allegiance to the principles of the American Revolution.

2. Write a letter to your family, friends and neighbors declaring your support for restoring the American Republic.

3. Invite them to a meeting.

4. Educate yourself on American history, politics and economics.

5. Hold the meeting and explain to them what you have learned and urge them to do the same and then hold their own meeting with their own social circle.

6. Display the symbol of the restoration of the republic, the Betsy Ross flag.

7. Patronize businesses that display this flag.

8. Boycott businesses that bankroll the political class.

9. Educate yourself on the rights of jurors. If you are called for jury duty, understand that the founding fathers designed the system as a check on government power. Remember that when you are in the jury room deliberating.

10. Patronize books, blogs, websites, newspapers, magazines, think tanks, and political groups that were right about the economic collapse. Mises.org., IlanaMercer.com and others. See our page for a complete list.

11. For political activism, join an existing Patriot group. Don’t reinvent the wheel. See our page for recommended groups. While I believe that politics is not our best field of battle at the moment, as our movement grows, we will soon be able to launch a successful frontal assault on the political class.

12. Follow these websites for continuing developments:

PoliticalClassDismissed.com
FreeNewYork.org
BuffaloLiberty.com

Will this plan succeed? I believe it will if it gets a good start. I believe if it gets started, it will be unstoppable, like an idea whose time has come—back.

But this I know for certain. If we do not try to spark a Second American Revolution, we will fail and you, and your children, and your grandchildren, will never know what it is like to live in the America that was supposed to be. And, with the government always strengthening its stranglehold on the schools, they won’t even have a historical memory of it.

George Washington, who led the fight in battle for the American Revolution, and knew a thing or two about adversity, about temporary defeat, about being outnumbered, about being accused of treason, and about being shot at by Red Coats, said, “Perseverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages.”

So in closing I urge you make this pledge. I pledge allegiance to the principles of the American Revolution, stated by Jefferson, and for which the Minute Men and Washington’s Army fought: that government’s only purpose is to protect our natural rights to life, liberty, and property; that any government that does “more” than protect our natural rights must thereby violate those same rights and become a tyranny that the people have the right to alter or abolish. I pledge to resist that tyranny by peaceful means if at all possible.



*I didnt write this. I saw it, and was wondering what folks here thought of this.
-Wulf


ETA: Written by James Ostrowski



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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:07 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:21 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:


*I didnt write this. I saw it, and was wondering what folks here thought of this.
-Wulf



Very good find , Wulfie !

Now you're really getting somewhere !

Distribute to everyone you know , everyone that will hear...

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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Don't forget to credit James Ostrowski, the author. It's considered gauche (and illegal) to distribute something like this without the author's attribution or permission. And the dude's a lawyer, so you KNOW he's coming after you if he finds out you're pimping his words without giving him credit.

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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:39 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


" Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. ... Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome's, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.' " --Roman statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

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Monday, October 5, 2009 12:46 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Sorry , I meant to mention that issue of attribution , but when someone writes something this exciting , its easy to overlook even such an important detail...

Here's the Link to the page , for Folk that want it :

http://politicalclassdismissed.com/?p=5929

While Ostrowski may take temporary offense at the lack of attribution , Wulf , don't worry about him coming after you...
So long as you give all due credit...

Best wishes in your pursuit of your cause .

Meanwhile , Judge Napolitano's book is available in paperback , at the bargain price of 6 Bucks !

http://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Exile-Federal-Government-Rewriting/
dp/B002N2XHWG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254783000&sr=8-1


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Monday, October 5, 2009 2:02 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Oops, I thought I got it when I cut-and-pasted it.

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Monday, October 5, 2009 3:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Not a problem. I've had some stuff reposted and reprinted, and I'm fine with that, as long as it's attributed properly. I don't write for the money, but it's nice to get credit when someone appreciates your work, your words, and your thoughts.



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Monday, October 5, 2009 9:47 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Same thing I been sayin for years.

Cut, cut and KEEP cuttin, till folk start goin "Hey, we actually NEED that one!"...

You could slash for months, YEARS even, before you ever even came close to that point.

-F

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:35 AM

DREAMTROVE


Problem being of course where.

The GOP likes to say "okay, first we get rid of parks, public transit and aid to poor children" and everyone thinks they're dicks, and the measure fails. Thing is, the GOP doesn't care if everyone thinks their dicks: the measure was designed to fail, so they can say "Sorry, we tried to cut govt. spending but democrats objected."

Dems sometimes play this game as well, trying to eliminate penny ante programs, meanwhile both parties are saying, why don't we just pad a couple hundred billion onto defense. And randomly, during the year, lets unconstitutionally add a spending bill that adds a couple more. Who wants a bailout?

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


This one just for Wulf, cause, well, it's funny.



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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:14 PM

DREAMTROVE


lol.

I think I just said something about this in an RPG game: My dragon fled after a couple rounds of combat. A lot of my players like "why the hell did he fly away?" and then one of them said "maybe because dinner wasn't worth a broken wing?"

Always bugged me when "monsters" always fought to death.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
lol.

I think I just said something about this in an RPG game: My dragon fled after a couple rounds of combat. A lot of my players like "why the hell did he fly away?" and then one of them said "maybe because dinner wasn't worth a broken wing?"

Always bugged me when "monsters" always fought to death.



Did he yell "LLLEEEEERRROOOYYYY JENKINS!" as he fled? And did he get everyone else killed?

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wulf, I think this guy's got it 50% right and 50% wrong. I'm too busy to reply in detial, but thanks for the post.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:56 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Here’s another form of direct citizen action you can take. The original Patriots did not trust government, including prosecutors or judges. They knew the only way to restrain the power of government was by external checks and balances. They gave us two: the right to bear arms and juries. Naturally, they have tried to take both of these rights away from us. The right to bear arms is safe for the moment but let’s talk about juries.

The original concept of a jury was that it could override the judge on matters of law. Call that jury nullification. Every prominent founder who was a lawyer stated explicitly that juries have the right to judge the law itself and whether it would be unjust to convict a defendant for violating that law under the circumstances.

Tyrannical judges have ruled otherwise, thus overruling the Constitution by judicial fiat.

The bottom line is this. The founders believed you have a constitutional right to judge the law in a criminal case and any judge who says otherwise hasn’t studied our constitutional history.

The purpose of republican government is to protect the individual’s right to life, liberty and property. The Founders created a jury system to ensure that no one was convicted of a crime unless they violated the life, liberty or property of a fellow citizen. If you get a jury notice, don’t grumble. Show up and assert your rights and keep in mind that no one can tell you how to cast your vote in that jury room.

Now, just for the record, I’m not saying jurors should violate the law and lie to judges about their willingness to follow their instructions on the law. What I’m saying is that judges should follow the law and should not lie to jurors!

So, there are things you can do yourself and right now to move toward restoration of the Republic.



During Prohibition juries would drink the evidence in the jury room, then aquit for lack of evidence.

Juries can ignore any fact and veto any law.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=citizens+rule+book&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1g-m1

Street preacher William Penn won the right for juries to NOT be jailed in prison until they reach the "correct" verdict of guilty. He won that appeal pro se without a lawyer. Then he founded the state of Pennsylvania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_se
www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=DOvMSuTDH5D8tgeKjozyAQ&sa=X&oi=spell&re
snum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=William+Penn&spell=1


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Though freed, Penn demonstrated no remorse for his aggressive stance and vowed to keep fighting against the wrongs of the Church and the King. For its part, the Crown continued to confiscate Quaker property and put thousands of Quakers in jail. From then on, Penn's religious views effectively exiled him from English society; he was sent down (expelled) from Christ Church, Oxford for being a Quaker, and was arrested several times. Among the most famous of these was the trial following his 1670 arrest with William Meade. Penn was accused of preaching before a gathering in the street, which Penn had deliberately provoked in order to test the validity of the new law against assembly. Penn pleaded for his right to see a copy of the charges laid against him and the laws he had supposedly broken, but the judge (the Lord Mayor of London) refused – even though this right was guaranteed by the law. Furthermore, the judge directed the jury to come to a verdict without hearing the defense.[52]

Despite heavy pressure from the Lord Mayor to convict Penn, the jury returned a verdict of "not guilty". When invited by the judge to reconsider their verdict and to select a new foreman, they refused and were sent to a cell over several nights to mull over their decision. The Lord Mayor then told the jury, "You shall go together and bring in another verdict, or you shall starve", and not only had Penn sent to jail in loathsome Newgate Prison (on a charge of contempt of court), but the full jury followed him, and they were additionally fined the equivalent of a year’s wages each.[53][54] The members of the jury, fighting their case from prison, managed to win the right for all English juries to be free from the control of judges.[55] This case was one of the more important trials that shaped the future concept of American freedom (see jury nullification) and was a victory for the use of the writ of habeas corpus as a means of freeing those unlawfully detained.

With his father dying, Penn wanted to see him one more time and patch up their differences. But he urged his father not to pay his fine and free him, "I intreat thee not to purchase my liberty." But the Admiral refused to let the opportunity pass and he paid the fine, releasing his son. The old man had gained respect for his son's integrity and courage and told him, "Let nothing in this world tempt you to wrong your conscience."[56] The Admiral also knew that after his death, young Penn would become more vulnerable in his pursuit of justice. In an act which would not only secure his son’s protection but also set the conditions for the founding of Pennsylvania, the Admiral wrote to the Duke of York, the successor to the throne. The Duke and the King, in return for the Admiral's lifetime service to the Crown, promised to protect young Penn and make him a royal counselor.[57]

Penn was not disinherited and he came into a large fortune, but found himself in jail again for six months as he continued to agitate.

Founding of Pennsylvania

Seeing conditions deteriorating, Penn decided to appeal directly to the King and the Duke. Penn proposed a solution which would solve the dilemma—a mass emigration of English Quakers. Some Quakers had already moved to North America, but the New England Puritans, especially, were as hostile towards Quakers as Anglicans in England were, and some of the Quakers had been banished to the Caribbean. In 1677, a group of prominent Quakers that included Penn purchased the colonial province of West New Jersey (half of the current state of New Jersey).[61] That same year, two hundred settlers from the towns of Chorleywood and Rickmansworth in Hertfordshire and other towns in nearby Buckinghamshire arrived, and founded the town of Burlington. George Fox himself had made a journey to America to verify the potential of further expansion of the early Quaker settlements.[62] In 1682, East New Jersey was also purchased by Quakers.[63]

With the New Jersey foothold in place, Penn pressed his case to extend the Quaker region. Whether from personal sympathy or political expediency, to Penn’s surprise, the King granted an extraordinarily generous charter which made Penn the world’s largest private landowner, with over 45,000 square miles (120,000 km2).[64] Penn became the sole proprietor of a huge tract of land south of New Jersey and did work for a pimp name Sweetness aka Slickback in New York, and north of Maryland (which belonged to Lord Baltimore), and gained sovereign rule of the territory with all rights and privileges (except the power to declare war).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn



Stolen landgrants by the King of England sound like derivatives today.

I think I'll use Mr Penn in my brief against a Kosher judge's demand I be arrested by the prosecutor for contempt of court, and threaten to arrest me if I dare speak at my own hearing. The court and prosecutor still refuse to give me notice of any hearings nor service of process of any court documents.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/09/judge-burns-1st-amendment-on
.html


William Penn on Boondocks:







"My prison shall be my grave before I will budge a jot: for I owe my conscience to no mortal man."
-William Penn, after he was jailed in the Tower of London for writing religious books (the charge of "blasphemey" since the King is the only god allowed in Britain)

"I don't think 'Homies over Hos' is a sentiment that A Pimp Named Slickback can co-sign, Riley. I mean, don't get me wrong, A Pimp Named Slickback will put a lot of things over a ho: Money over a ho? Always. Brand new gators over a ho? Absolutely. A turkey sandwich wit' just tomato? Guaranteed. But homies? Oh no. A Pimp Named Slickback DON'T DO SHIT for the homies. Let me reiterate: DON'T DO SHIT for the homies! Unless the homie wanna walk that stroll and get that money, the homie ain't getting a goddamn thing and the same goes for brothas, peeps, dudes, fellas, dunnies, comrades, whatever the fuck niggas is callin' each other nowadays. Sounds like some gay shit to me."
-A Pimp Named Slickback
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pimp_Named_Slickback

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:18 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I would argue that we need to add the Gadsden flag as a battle flag for the 2nd Revolution.

True, its not as benign as the Betty Ross flag, but it should be added because it shows that, while the people will work to preserve a peaceful re- accordance to the Constitution... we will not be bullied, pushed, or intimidated without repercussion.

Also, if you can see the government as a beast, full of leeches... the BEST way to beat it, is to starve it. And what does the beast eat? Money.

Starve it, and bring it down.

*by the way Pirate, the intro to the Boondocks is one of the songs I listen to as I write here. Good job.

ETA: Even tho its short.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:26 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Frem.

Cute.

Now, get your crippled ass to start writing some good shit, ok?


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:30 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg



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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:32 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I also listen to this too... :)


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:33 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

*by the way Pirate, the intro to the Boondocks is one of the songs I listen to as I write here. Good job.

ETA: Even tho its short.



I'm impressed that a Pimp Named Slickback played such a pivotal role in the founding of this nation.

If it hadn't been for Boondocks an Wiki, I'd never a lern that.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:34 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


and this....


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Pirate.

There is always a place for the fringe.

ETA: At least in a free thinking society.


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:40 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Ok I admit, Im a bit bored today... so here's another good song. lol Besides... you guys need to read this thread.

Its good.



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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:47 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Just HAD to add this one. Anyone paying attention?


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Do I need to keep posting videos? Or are you going to actually read the above? Can we start to change things for the better? I can do this all day and all night....



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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


All day guys.....


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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Man, I got a ton of stuff on my to-do list Wulf, but since you're interested...

One project the Geek Farm is lookin over it a proposal for a hot air lift zeppelin made with a "skin" that's actually solar panel on the outside, insulating film in the middle, and airtight mylar? on the interior, over a semi-rigid frame and with the heaters, pumps and drive engines electrically powered by the panels - looks damned useful and we're about to start on a scale model for feasibility testing.

I'm also scrambling to add more personnel since the local PD is going to more or less cease coverage of this area - not only did they lose the court cases over the corruption, brutality and murder, the tax increase they tried to extort with some pretty blatant threats got shitcanned, and we responded with a tax CUT directed specifically at them - we paid em, they wasted the money on lawsuit payouts directly related to their own conduct, and then continued that conduct in threatenin US ? oh hell no.

Couple of em got fired over it too, so the petty lords are pissed as hell and vacillating between sitting in the office pouting, and truly rabid "traffic enforcement" that borders on downright extortion - which is just gonna accellerate the slide - as of maybe december, WE will be the ONLY protection this area has, not just site three, but the surrounding area as well, and trying to coordinate that with other local security from two more communities and the MI state police, while making sure we get reimbursed for it.

Local residents have been pretty solid though, a couple of em have even started making vehicle rounds when the come back from work to back us up cause we're so damned shorthanded, and hey, it's their community too.

And being so, that means despite being badly injured still, I have to fill in walking rounds (although walking is a generous assesment, more like slowly gimping along) while loaded out on a completement of meds which in combination cause severe vertigo and make getting to the end of a sentence mentally difficult - only saving grace is that I can DO this job in that condition on pure reflex, right down to the maintainence notations for stuff from last nights windstorm, which didn't help my mood a whole lot when I got beaned with a damn apple off one of the trees near the park - isaac newton I am NOT, that freakin hurt too.

As for busting chops on cops, Mr Grigg keeps stealin my thunder on that one, and he's welcome to it cause wasn't long ago he was in horrible shape hisself.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/037473.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/038630.html

Those two incidents oughta give a pretty good impression of how I feel about it, and for once I ain't alone - a LOT of people are now asking "Why do we pay people who don't protect us, and abuse us, again ?" - damn right they should.

Which brings another ugly issue up, regarding how the alphabet boys laugh off warrants, subpeanos and judgements, daring anyone to DO something about it while laughing up their sleeve...

If you cannot call your attack dog to heel, and trying to may result in YOU being mauled - who's REALLY in charge ?

That's the NEXT question people need to be asking, cause were that me and the USDOJ thumbed it's nose at a subpeano, I would deputize a bunch of returning Iraq vets into the capitol police under a security oath, go down there and serve the bloody thing, dynamic entry included, and arrest anyone who interfered for obstruction of justice - then secure the related materials, evacuate and raze the building, then bulldoze it flat and shred their charter.

THAT would send a message, wouldn't it ?

Also been all up in the case of Dingell and Hoekestra, cause Conyers ain't worth wasting breath on, the cowardly little pissant, and Hoek is a fucking bonehead who seems to think it's 1959 instead of 2009 and all those alphabet goons are telling the truth, pfftth, as if !

And I have to take meds and lay back down, right, cause I got stuff to do.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Ooooh - I wanna play!

Here's a video I think is as relevant as anything Wulfie has posted:



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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Here's another: Why are we here?



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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Who the hell is Betty Ross?

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Bump for Troll Country!

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:14 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"The tragedy is that the American people do not know why the economy collapsed."

I do.


"(by republic) I mean a government exercising limited powers delegated to it by the people ..."

According to him. But according to definition "The most common definition of a republic is a state without a monarch." Isn't he being just like the Red Queen: "A Word Means What I Say it Means; no More, no Less" ? I prefer the more common definition of words. And, why should I care what he says about any of it, if it's based on a bogus definition ?


"In a democracy, there are no real limits to government power."

Ahem. He means FEDERAL power. And there are limits to FEDERAL power - called the Bill of Rights. It's the STATES that have unlimited power.


"What is happening now is judgment day, the day of reckoning, the day the national Ponzi scheme collapsed."

As happens cyclically with capitalism, regardless of government.


"... let’s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses."

Probably true. But then, India and West and East Pakistan did just that, and look how well that worked out. I suspect that if you can't find a way to live together, you will be fighting endless border wars with each other.


"The sad truth is, though we want to restore the spirit of the American Revolution, we are outnumbered by Red Coats! ... a smaller, more dedicated army, with a just cause, can prevail against a larger, mercenary force."

AHA ! They (us damn 90 percenters) are not TRUE Americans ! They (us !) are Redcoats and mecenaries !


"Let’s take a quick look at the American Revolution."

Supported by about 45% percent of the population opposed by about 40%, with the rest undecided. Nope, this does not support the idea of a 'small' segment of the population going it alone.


"... if the American people understood one simple principle ... we could shrink the size of government by 90% in three months. All resources are scarce."

Except human resources, which are multiplicative.


"Republican government exists to protect private property."

Is that there in the Constitution ? The Bill of Rights ? Can anyone find me a quote on that ?


"Direct citizen action is hardly a new concept ... it’s what Gandhi used to topple the British Empire."

He would do SO much better if he didn't overstate the facts. He didn't topple the empire, rather, mass action helped get them out of the subcontinent. And again, it involved MASS LARGE SCALE action by many, many people. Small groups of teabaggers don't qualify.


"Boycott the bankers of the political class."

Great idea !
Who are they ? Can I buy a car made by them ? Can I get a home loan from them ? Is Wal-mart one of them ?


"What I’m saying is that judges should follow the law and should not lie to jurors!"

And I do that - how ?


"If any politician tells you they will improve your life, they’re lying. Don’t believe them."

It seems to work pretty well in Europe whose people have a higher standard of living than here.




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Maybe some people will buy this - I'm guessing people already pre-disposed to not like Obama will find a way to justify their dislike. I prefer to deal with what he does, or doesn't do, in actual fact.

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Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:49 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/07/avlon.civility/index.html

Im not sure what to say about this article.


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Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:11 AM

FREMDFIRMA


"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
-Barry Goldwater

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:43 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Only if you DEFINE Obama as a dictator.

Because sometimes, extremism is merely a bunch of goons.

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Silence is consent.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Too pooped to go into it at length, so glad you did it for me, Rue. "What she said"

"Revolt!" "Revolt!" "Revolt"...sometimes it's just revolting.

________________________
Together we are greater than the sum of our parts

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:53 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Kwicko wrote:
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 13:33
Who the hell is Betty Ross?



The Hulk's girlfriend. I thought you were up on these things.


As for our flag, funny that. It was originally the flag of the British East India Trading Company, but we added stars in a blue field. The circle of stars, like the laurel wreaths show up everywhere globalists are:



The official story was that this was supposed to symbolize the round table, but the preponderance of other globalist circle symbols like wreaths, the wheat arches, etc., in early americana casts some doubt on that. Again, a long term globalist motif:



Originally, the plan was to use six sided stars, but the official story is that "Betsy thought five sided ones were easier to cut." Um to anyone who has ever tried to cut five sided and six sided stars... But we all know the real story anyway.

The US flag is damned irregular, and doesn't say anything about freedom or masonic conspiracies, but more so of a designation of a possession. It's one of the nagging doubts I have on Pirate News' "We didn't really win the revolutionary was" thing. Which is to say, um, there's a place where he might have a point. Consider our military history. Why did we get into two major European wars, then go and take over the French Indochina War, and who was leading whom on this whole Iraq thing anyway. Sorry, just mind wandering.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Looking at that picture, all I can do is think how miserable that woman would have been, lugging those gigantic, bulbous things around. I'm glad she's not real.

Yeah, go ahead, males; I know it's your genetic caveman mentality that loves 'em...you should be made to haul around a pair that size, THEN we'd see how you liked it! (Not that I ever have had to, thank gawd!)

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:09 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

Kwicko wrote:
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 13:33
Who the hell is Betty Ross?



The Hulk's girlfriend. I thought you were up on these things.





Alas, she's dead now.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:30 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Wow.

So, other than a few here, who actually read the post...

the rest just like to be assclowns.

Good to know.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I read the posts...all of them. It's just such bullshit it's not worth commenting on. Rue took the time and energy to do so and said everything I would have said--since she spent the time and energy doing so, why waste mine?

I resent the assumption and being called an assclown by someone so bent on wanting to destroy our government, rather than just improve it. I could call you names, too, but it has nothing to do with anything of substance.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Wow.

So, other than a few here, who actually read the post...

the rest just like to be assclowns.

Good to know.



Yeah, who was that total assclown who just started dumping in a bunch of clips of music videos?


Oh. That would be you. King of the dipshits, as it were. :)

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:01 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

Kwicko wrote:
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 13:33
Who the hell is Betty Ross?



As for our flag, funny that. It was originally the flag of the British East India Trading Company, but we added stars in a blue field. The circle of stars, like the laurel wreaths show up everywhere globalists are:



The official story was that this was supposed to symbolize the round table, but the preponderance of other globalist circle symbols like wreaths, the wheat arches, etc., in early americana casts some doubt on that. Again, a long term globalist motif:



...The US flag is damned irregular, and doesn't say anything about freedom or masonic conspiracies, but more so of a designation of a possession. It's one of the nagging doubts I have on Pirate News' "We didn't really win the revolutionary was" thing. Which is to say, um, there's a place where he might have a point. Consider our military history. Why did we get into two major European wars, then go and take over the French Indochina War, and who was leading whom on this whole Iraq thing anyway.





'...Mr. McLaughlin, who was the chief of the graphics presentation branch of the Office of Strategic Services, forerunner of the C.I.A., led a design team under the supervision of Oliver Lincoln Lundquist, who died in 2008. After considering and rejecting several prototypes, Mr. McLaughlin came up with a round emblem showing the continents against circular lines of latitude and vertical lines of longitude, framed by two overlapping olive branches.

...After taking part with Loewy and Teague in planning sessions for a proposed war room under the White House, Mr. McLaughlin went to Washington to help the O.S.S. develop visual material for the military. As head of the graphics branch, he produced insignia and informational films with animated special effects and diagrams, like instructions for derailing German trains that were printed on cigarette packs. Mr. McLaughlin later applied these presentation techniques to the displays used by war crimes prosecutors at the Nuremburg trials, which took place in a courtroom he designed.

...The United Nations emblem had a difficult birth. Mr. McLaughlin, in his pamphlet, recalled that the initial task was to fit a pictorial image, along with the words “The United Nations Conference on International Organization, San Francisco, 1945,” on a round button measuring just 1 1/16 inches across.

Rejected prototypes included a globe surrounded by chains intended to represent nations linked in peace. “Linked in peace, but also a world in chains,” Mr. McLaughlin noted.'


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/arts/design/02mclaughlin.html

So , there's the real meaning of ' E Pluribus Unum ' , a world in chains...

The UN organization , an OSS-developed scheme , and plainly the work of anti-American globalists , in much the same way that FEMA was cut whole-cloth from a CIA black-budget program in the late 60's , and the same story with the 'Patriot Act' and the creation of DHS post-9/11...


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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Rather be king over the dipshits, than the rabble of dipshits...assclown.




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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:10 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Looking at that picture, all I can do is think how miserable that woman would have been, lugging those gigantic, bulbous things around. I'm glad she's not real.

Yeah, go ahead, males; I know it's your genetic caveman mentality that loves 'em...you should be made to haul around a pair that size, THEN we'd see how you liked it! (Not that I ever have had to, thank gawd!)"

Cute.

Poor thing. She has boobs. And we, meaning males, should feel sorry for her?

Well what about my 14 inch dick? Noone feels sorry for me!

I mean, do you know how H A R D it is to fit my monster into a pair of jeans?

And good "lawd" heaven help me if I ever walk by a Victoria Secret store... I have to sit down and take a break. Otherwise... Id scare the kids.



*p.s. I make a good, important post... and you devolve it into a titty thread? WTF? Dont be mad if I respond in kind.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:11 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Ham handed and inexperienced as the guy is, would be nice if folk handed off maybe a little credit for wanting and wishing to make things better even if he don't know how...

If everyone who tries to stand up and have their say catches such a flaming, is it any wonder so few do it ?

Y'all have asked HIM for ideas, but he's just gettin to his feet - and I note that damn few have offered any themselves, neither!

So what's YOUR answer, don't protest, don't have your say, go home, sit down, shut up ?
No wonder things are screwed.

You could instead take the tack of educating a potential ally instead of unwittingly making an enemy - the way most of you are handling this is an ironic echo of our own destructive foreign policy, and you don't even see it.

Sure, you can't force change on folks who don't want it, first you have to CONVINCE them of it's benefit - and it's not gonna happen overnight neither, not unless you hand over a damn dangerous and frankly stupid amount of authority to folks who shouldn't have it, like these Czars, and that's one reason I couldn't support Perot, cause he'd have needed it to accomplish what he was promising, and no politico should be trusted with that much, ever.

But do you not see the hypocrisy of pointing out to the guy that you cannot MAKE changes like that so quick without great risk, damaging the social fabric which more than anything else is what holds us together as a nation - and then turning right around and expecting the guy to overcome a lifetimes upbringing in less than a month ?

Speakin of, Wulf ?
You ain't helpin matters so much neither - people want DETAILS, specifics, of what you wanna change and how, something, anything, they can find a point of agreement in, and you've not managed well on that front cause you're either afraid of being attacked for it, called a racist again, or coming off so inarticulate that folks don't comprehend it...
But you need to do it, YOU - not someone else, not quotes or vids, YOU, in your OWN words, where you stand, enough that folks can find something in there they agree with and back you up.

This sabre rattling at each other here is an ironic mockery of the same bloody thing throughout our political process, and one reason it's so fucked up.

Instead of lobbing grenades at each other, mayhaps a better start would be FINDING SOME COMMON GROUND, yes ?

And I hate to tell ya, badly as he's done so, Wulf has been a bit more forthcoming on that respect than most of the folks flaming him.

So how about it, Wulf - pick ONE issue, one small, minor, annoying issue, and expound at length about it, if you would...

Cause remember, all the big things, really are made up of the small things, aren't they ?

Find ONE handle for you and others to grab onto, and shake the other hand instead of lobbing bombs with it, right ?

But what do I know, I'm just a fool and a heretic, right ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:17 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


:So how about it, Wulf - pick ONE issue, one small, minor, annoying issue, and expound at length about it, if you would..."

Frem. There is so much that needs to be fixed.

So many fucking problems that just keep getting worse.

I pick one and can argue it till Im blue in the face, and what does it do?

But ok, just cause its a good exercise...

Property tax.

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't have to pay taxes on something that you already own, plus paid taxes for to buy in the first place.

Let the flame war begin.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:18 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


The 'Stars and Stripes' with which most Americans are familiar , is a Military flag , which symbolizes troops on the move , and the imposition of Military Jurisdiction...

The US Civil Flag is a different matter :

'...The Civil Flag is fast becoming the Symbol of the second American Revolution. The emblem of choice of Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Hippies and Pacifists and of course the much maligned Militia.'

'...From the loftiest point of its roof, during precisely three and a half hours of each forenoon, floats or droops, in breeze or calm, the banner of the republic; but with the thirteen stripes turned vertically, instead of horizontally, and thus indicating that a civil, and not a military, post of Uncle Sam's government is here established.' -Nathaniel Hawthorne

http://www.uscivilflags.org/home.html

http://www.uscivilflags.org/articles-history.html

The proper way to display the Military flag today , in a signal of distress...




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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

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