Regarding the stupid myth that Reagan brought down the evil Soviet Empire... by chrisisall

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thank you, thank you...Reagan is held up as some kind of demi-god, when in actuality he did more harm than good to this country, long-term, and he wasn't even in CHARGE toward the end!

"Blaming Reagan for the state of the country is like blaming your bad hamburger on Ronald McDonald"

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:05 AM

"Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

PR stunt- or something to make himself feel good.

He got off some good lines at times, though (stolen from Clint Eastwood).

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:08 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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He got off some good lines at times, though

Only if you consider the stupid, funny ones.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:08 AM

RUE

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"... and he wasn't even in CHARGE toward the end!"

The person running the country may have been their astrologer.

Ever read "Stranger in a Strange Land" ? With the exception of the technology (which hasn't progressed nearly as rapidly as Heinlein imagined), and well, Martians and stuff --- all the insanity of a country gone amok was pretty accurate. Sad that a full-time cynic and misogynist like Heinlein captured the future so well.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:12 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Only if you consider the stupid, funny ones.

'Course!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:20 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Rue: ...well, I WAS going to say "Nan and her astrologist were doing the running", but I thought that was too rude (and would probably start people off railing about each thinks WAS really in charge...

)

Ooops, hope I haven't done just that...

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:21 AM

Bush Sr. was the one in charge.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA

What killed the Soviets was invading afghanistan and then kowtowing to the military-industrial-complex...

Oh, wait, WHAT ?

FUCK!!!

-F

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:05 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

You win teh interwebs, Frem!

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:25 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Reagan only CONFUSED the Soviet Union with that idiotic SDI program; the USSR fell under the weight of its own mismanagement DESPITE Reagan (& Gorbachev).

The Soviet Union fell under the weight of its economic and social system.

If you think SDI was about Strategic missile defense...then your dead wrong. SDI was part of an economic and social attack on the foundation of the Soviet system.

In 1980 you see the US economy in bad shape, the US military in bad, and a general malaise over the US and Western world. Reagan came in and lit a fire under America. Suddenly we're building ships, flying Space Shuttles, and selling Levis, Coke, and McDonalds everywhere. Movies, computers, video games, cultural dominance, and the moral high ground. The Soviets, on the other hand, are standing in bread lines, its cold, its dark, their getting their asses kicked by Afgan freedom fighters, and suddenly they need more money for new planes, new tanks, new missiles, etc.

SDI was about exerting pressure on their system. A space-based laser defense system didn't exist...but when Reagan said we were going to build one...most folks believed it. Maybe we had a long term secret program or maybe some fella was going to figure it out in his garage, but it was going to happen, no doubt.

A lot of technology was developed and first deployed during those days. Aegis missile defense, the ASM 135 (a fighter launched anti-satellite weapon, Stealth fighters and bombers, new tactics using computer integration for our "air-land" battle strategy, on and on.

The Soviets found themselves falling further behind. It was like a marathon were we suddenly started picking up the pace. They tried to keep up but could not and collapsed.

You have to give our leaders credit for setting the Soviets up to fall. The real credit goes to leaders on both sides (and around the world) for managing the collapse without killing us all.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

If you think SDI was about Strategic missile defense...then your dead wrong. SDI was part of an economic and social attack on the foundation of the Soviet system.

Yeah, one that FAILED. But the Soviets fell for unrelated reasons & Reagan got the cred.

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A space-based laser defense system didn't exist...but when Reagan said we were going to build one...most folks believed it. Maybe we had a long term secret program or maybe some fella was going to figure it out in his garage, but it was going to happen, no doubt.

LOL, Hero, are you TRYING to sound like an idiot here? I knew when I was a kid it was all blustery BS, clearly I have a stronger background in science than either you OR Reagan.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:21 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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LOL, Hero, are you TRYING to sound like an idiot here? I knew when I was a kid it was all blustery BS, clearly I have a stronger background in science than either you OR Reagan

Seems to me that he was saying exactly what you did, how does that make him an idjit? YOU may have known it was BS at the time--many of us did--that doesn't negate his making the point, does it?

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:26 AM

The point that what? We're gonna have lasers capable of doing what Reagan said? Sure we will, but not in OUR LIFETIMES.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:34 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

Reagan had his priorities assways

Ronnie Raygun ordered the Marines to run with their tails between their legs after Iranain scumbags ordered a truck bomb on a US base, of course this was probably in reward for the Ayatollah costing liberal Carter his Presidency, Reagan decided to be soft on radical muslims and even sold them weapons in Irangate

Raygun was supportive of the Afghan terrorists against Soviet Russia...I don't like Russia either but support one scumbag over another came back to bite us on the ass
and he fired over 11,000 United States air-traffic controllers....11 f-ing thousand of our own hard working people fired

US airports were de-regulated, privatized chaos after Reagan and people wonder why only in America could terrorists flashing a bit of cash easily learn how to crash planes into buildings

I'm a fan of Bush Snr but Reagan sucks
and he was a crap actor

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The point that what? We're gonna have lasers capable of doing what Reagan said? Sure we will, but not in OUR LIFETIMES.

The laughing Chrisisall

The technology has come quite a ways

Nautilus Tactical High Energy Laser
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/thel.htm

For an orbital system I thought they would have gone with KV interceptors, probably a little more workable.

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

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Lets party like its 1939

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:45 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

My bad, Chris. I read

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A space-based laser defense system didn't exist...but when Reagan said we were going to build one...most folks believed it.

but didn't catch the "it was going to happen, no doubt" part.

Gawd, Jaynes--"Rayguns": haven't heard that in decades, figured most people had forgotten it. While not exactly a "fan" of Daddy Bush, I agree with every single other word.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 11:47 AM

DREAMTROVE

Err. It's more confusing than that. The USSR was evil, but so was the US. I mean, Sure, the origins of the Soviet Union are worse than the origins or Nazi Germany, but then, so are the origins of the United States of America. Remember, this country is founded on genocidal extermination of 12 million natives, the enslavement of 4 million imported worked is wars that killed 11 million more Africans, and no one ever seems to mention the wholesale destruction of the environment that was worse than Brazil.

But the USSR under Gorby was hardly an evil empire. The US did lend a hand in handing it to Yeltsin, and the WHO swept in to kill off a good estimated 10-20 million of them in one the most evil acts of all time. However, it would not have been able to do so, if the Soviet Union were not on the brink of collapse: Their main problem: Mistreatment of Eastern Europe. They could have done many things to win hearts and minds: representation, free trade, citizen governance, civil liberties, respect for local cultures. They blew it.

The end result would have looked a lot different without our interference, probably much more like China's current transition.

Edit: While waiting to steal internet, Frem posted something. Like all humor that works, there's a more than a little shred of truth in it

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

The technology has come quite a ways

Gino, boobalah, puhleeee. You know how many billions upon billions it would take to get an actual working prototype the isn't only for good-looking demos?

Heh

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

PR stunt- or something to make himself feel good.

It's rather like the Chinese emperors who would "predict" solar eclipses...

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"... and he wasn't even in CHARGE toward the end!"

The person running the country may have been their astrologer.

Ever read "Stranger in a Strange Land" ? With the exception of the technology (which hasn't progressed nearly as rapidly as Heinlein imagined), and well, Martians and stuff --- all the insanity of a country gone amok was pretty accurate. Sad that a full-time cynic and misogynist like Heinlein captured the future so well.

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Maybe ONLY a full-time cynic can do it so well... Philip K. Dick was a *little bit* of a cynic himself, wasn't he?

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

The technology has come quite a ways

Gino, boobalah, puhleeee. You know how many billions upon billions it would take to get an actual working prototype the isn't only for good-looking demos?

Heh

President Jed Bartlett: "I believe the words you're looking for are 'Oh, good grief'."

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 1:30 PM

like in the article I sent you, they have shot down ballistic rockets in a demo...

that is why I also brought up the KV concept

Issue Brief 87, July 17, 2003
APS Study On Space-Based Interceptors: Garbage In, Garbage Out!
By Ambassador Henry F. Cooper

“This seems to be one of the many cases in which the admitted accuracy of mathematical processes is allowed to throw a wholly inadmissible appearance of authority over the results obtained by them. Mathematics may be compared to a mill of exquisite workmanship, which grinds you stuff of any degree of fineness; but nevertheless, what you get out depends on what you put in; and as the grandest mill in the world will not extract wheat flour from peascods, so pages of formulas will not get a definite result out of loose data.”
T. H. Huxley (In a public debate with Lord Kelvin in 1869)

Were he alive today, Huxley might have made these same comments about the recently published study by the American Physical Society Study Group, Boost-Phase Intercept Systems for National Missile Defense – especially regarding space-based interceptors. This 400+ page tome is full of calculations using the equations of orbital mechanics, the rocket equation and other well known equations of physics – but, with the wrong input assumptions, they deliver the wrong answers. Or, in the modern vernacular, “Garbage in; garbage out.”
These same equations were used by the Fletcher Study , consisting of nationally recognized physicists and engineers, formed in 1984 to provide the initial direction for President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative. In particular, they identified the critically important objective to achieve lightweight, very capable hit-to-kill vehicles – and that became a driving objective of the SDI program – particularly for space-based interceptors. The heavier the kill vehicle (KV), the bigger the booster required to deliver the kill vehicle and the greater the system cost.
Working backwards using the well-known rocket equation, competent engineers can establish weight budgets for sensors, on-board computers, kill vehicle propulsion, etc., which must be met to have a cost-effective interceptor – which was determined in the 1980s, by the way, to be an order of magnitude less than the KV weight assumed by the APS study team. So their conclusion from their mindless grinding through various formulae was predetermined to be negative – and should have been well known based on well-known earlier work.
Indeed, it should have been well known to any group of informed experts that by the late 1980s, the SDI investments in technology had produced the technology base for the key components of a light weight, cost effective space-based interceptor – passing the countermeasure gauntlet posed by the APS study team. In what the Missile Defense Agency’s Historian, Dr. Don Baucomb, calls “A Season of Studies,” the Brilliant Pebbles space-based interceptor concept in 1989 passed the scrutiny of over a dozen internal and external reviews by well-known science and engineering experts on space-based interceptor technology .
In particular, JASON, a group of eminent physicists from academia – not known as advocates for missile defense – reported there were “no show-stoppers” for this important program, which became SDI’s first fully approved Major Defense Acquisition Program (MDAP) in 1990. This formal status meant that the concept passed formal cost screens and passed muster with the Joint Chiefs in meeting necessary decision timelines to achieve boost-phase intercept capability.
In spite of the political headwinds against the space-based interceptor program, scientists and engineers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and in two contractor teams (TRW, now part of Northrop Grumman, and Martin Marietta, now part of Lockheed-Martin) made considerable progress in developing and demonstrating the essential technology for a viable space-based interceptor system. But the Clinton administration scuttled this important program in early 1993 – and, at least as important, most of the important technology demonstration programs geared toward meeting the goals established by the Fletcher Study and pursued for the better part of a decade. Lost were the achievements not only to space-based defenses, but also for other basing modes – such was the price of political correctness of an administration more concerned with strengthening the ABM Treaty than building cost-effective defenses.
Now there seems to be collective amnesia about the state of technology. The APS says the technology for space-based defenses is a decade away. Partially right, but they got the sign wrong. It was available a decade ago.

with smaller faster computers and better tracking systems, now available... I think this could work in a limited fashion.

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 1:49 PM

RUE

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"... they have shot down ballistic rockets in a demo... "

Ehhh ... I know the person who knows the person who personally programmed in the coordinates of the ballistics so they could hit the damn things.

Aside from that, the technology to avoid detection and/ or confuse it is way ahead of the game.

But, that's neither here nor there ... it's somewhat off-topic.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 1:58 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Afghanistan was too tough for the British and helped bring on their ruin.
Afghanistan was too tough for the Russians and helped bring on their ruin.

Afghanistan will be OUR Afghanistan

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Afghanistan was too tough for the British and helped bring on their ruin.
Afghanistan was too tough for the Russians and helped bring on their ruin.

Afghanistan will be OUR Afghanistan ...

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Oh ... did I say that out loud?

At least the Russians were smart enough to stay out of Vietnam

lmao

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
At least the Russians were smart enough to stay out of Vietnam

lmao

Hey! All we needed back then was superiour firepower from the air!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Working backwards using the well-known rocket equation, competent engineers can establish weight budgets for sensors, on-board computers, kill vehicle propulsion, etc., which must be met to have a cost-effective interceptor – which was determined in the 1980s, by the way, to be an order of magnitude less than the KV weight assumed by the APS study team.

Altitudinal density factors & planetary gravitational variations were not taken into account.
Which makes this all little better than a child shooting bottle rockets at a paper airplane.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:37 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Afghanistan will be OUR Afghanistan ...

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Oh ... did I say that out loud?

No, but you're correct at any rate.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:35 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Working backwards using the well-known rocket equation, competent engineers can establish weight budgets for sensors, on-board computers, kill vehicle propulsion, etc., which must be met to have a cost-effective interceptor – which was determined in the 1980s, by the way, to be an order of magnitude less than the KV weight assumed by the APS study team.
Altitudinal density factors & planetary gravitational variations were not taken into account.
Which makes this all little better than a child shooting bottle rockets at a paper airplane.

The laughing Chrisisall

with the new generation of micro computers, a self correcting guidance system is not far off. In addition if they manage to target the missile in its midcourse phase, while it is sub orbital it removes many of the atmospheric factors as well as give you a target with less relative motion. The KV would not have to be fast, or have the range of a land based system. Just a maneuver jet system ( similar to the one on the space shuttle ) and a large blast/fragmentation warhead that would give it a large zone kill radius.

Russia would likely defeat this by using jamming, MIRVs and spoofs making the targeting math alot harder, but my guess it would be years before say Iran or North Korea would develop that level of counter measures.

Not saying this type of project is worth the money, hell the possibility of getting nuked make make the US more reasonable in its foreign policy. Just that I think it could be done.

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:39 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Jayneztown

So, your problem with Kim Jong is that he's too liberal for you - good to know.

SDI was always a sop to the Mil-Indy Complex, and Reagan HAD a chance in Geneva with Gorbie - Gorbie offered a full disarmament agreement on the condition that SDI remain a lab project only cause the idea of weapons in space horrifies every *thinking* individual on the planet, and Reagan, knowing that building stuff was the prime sop to roll the gravy train to the MIC, balked, and Gorbie walked out.

He sold us out for fucking PORKBARREL, curse it - and that's one of those things that is inexcusable even in a pit of gross negligence, utter incompetence and pure stupidity, right up there with sending Bolton to the UN, shit that sticks FOREVER.

Besides which, we were *pickin shit*, even at the time, one of my fathers old navy buddies, a submariner, during that same timeframe was on a mission where he finally came out and said what had been bothering him for weeks.
"Seems to me we're not preventing WWIII, but rather provoking it, or trying to."
Man stood to it, too - next stop, he refused to get back on the boat, far as he was concerned the submarine service was a volunteer one and he was un-volunteering.

If you know of the mission in question (Ivy Bells) then you know he had some cause to feel that way.

And how kind of you to pull the mask off and admit you have no problem with outright treason against the american people for partisan politican gain, it sure simplifies discrediting you when you annihilate your own credibility with no input from me.

-Frem

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:44 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by rue:
[BSad that a full-time cynic and misogynist like Heinlein captured the future so well.

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Hello,

Just what is it that Heinlein wrote that makes so many women on this board think of him as misogynistic?

I remember him as one of the (few) sci-fi writers of his age who wrote many intelligent, strong, and capable women. I sometimes felt that the women in his works were more capable than the men.

--Anthony

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
a large blast/fragmentation warhead that would give it a large zone kill radius.

You have no idea of the power utilzation curve on such a weapon. Simple decoys sent to drain its supply would suffice.
D'Oh!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

And how kind of you to pull the mask off and admit you have no problem with outright treason against the american people

Yeah, he said that when he said he liked Bush Sr.
Read my lips.
No new Contras.
Or something...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:58 PM

DREAMTROVE

I assume the Russia/Vietnam was sarcasm, the most needed emoticon...

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Afghanistan will be OUR Afghanistan

lol. sad but true.

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
a large blast/fragmentation warhead that would give it a large zone kill radius.

You have no idea of the power utilzation curve on such a weapon. Simple decoys sent to drain its supply would suffice.
D'Oh!

The laughing Chrisisall

oh, I see your problem

KV = kill vehicle, you know a missile

not a laser

sorry, I should have been more clear

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

oh, I see your problem

KV = kill vehicle, you know a missile

not a laser

sorry, I should have been more clear

It's still shooting bullets with bullets.
Get back to me on this in a hundred years.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:21 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

oh, I see your problem

KV = kill vehicle, you know a missile

not a laser

sorry, I should have been more clear

It's still shooting bullets with bullets.
Get back to me on this in a hundred years.

The laughing Chrisisall

Hello,

If you you are actually referring to shooting missiles with cannons, that's a well established non-sci-fi technology.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If you you are actually referring to shooting missiles with cannons, that's a well established non-sci-fi technology.

Hello Tony:
No. I'm talking about missiles traveling amazing speeds over distances & unplottable terrestrial anomolies that our computing abilities are, as of yet, incapable of precisely comprehending.
Star Trek is YEARS away.

Beam me up.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:43 PM

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Hello,

I'm not sure I can concur with your assessment. There are moments in extra-atmospheric transit where missile courses are necessarily highly predictable. By their very definition, terrestrial anomalies are not a factor out in the black. A technology like metalstorm could probably be used from a space platform to saturate an entire grid with kinetic kill projectiles. It's a lot less Star Trek than it is Very Expensive and Not A Priority.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It's a lot less Star Trek than it is Very Expensive and Not A Priority.

Exactly.
Phasers or ubiquitous hellfire.
Both impossible at this point.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I'm not sure I can concur with your assessment. There are moments in extra-atmospheric transit where missile courses are necessarily highly predictable. By their very definition, terrestrial anomalies are not a factor out in the black. A technology like metalstorm could probably be used from a space platform to saturate an entire grid with kinetic kill projectiles. It's a lot less Star Trek than it is Very Expensive and Not A Priority.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Thank You Anthony, I have given up on this one

I figure a smallish missile with a big warhead, a guidance system that can put it within a kilometer short of the mid phase point then boom a cloud of shrapnel engages the probable path of the target saturating everything in sight.

That metalstorm stuff is cool, never seen that before...

give it ten years I bet we'll see practical railguns...

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

a guidance system that can put it within a kilometer short of the mid phase point then boom a cloud of shrapnel engages the probable path of the target saturating everything in sight.

Gino, get real. Yer thinkin' like Reagan here.
Man, I am SO beamed up right now!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:34 PM

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Hello,

Don't worry Gino. If we were talking about something like curing Cancer I'm sure everyone would be talking about how the med tech is around the corner. But missile interception is a politically charged subject.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You COULD just HERF the damned guidance and detonation system, you know.

-F

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Thursday, October 8, 2009 7:33 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Easier to do shielded electronics than to do bulletproofing on a missile. Call me old fashioned. I'll stick with high velocity kinetic killers. Proven, reliable weapons since the slingshot. ;-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, October 9, 2009 2:57 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Call me old fashioned. I'll stick with high velocity kinetic killers. Proven, reliable weapons since the slingshot. ;-)

Ultrasonic skeet shooting?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 9, 2009 5:00 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'd probably avoid ultrasound in space… ;-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, October 9, 2009 8:08 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hero, are you TRYING to sound like an idiot here? I knew when I was a kid it was all blustery BS, clearly I have a stronger background in science than either you OR Reagan.

Innovation is all blustery BS until some fella says, "hmm...maybe if we do this it'll do that", and suddenly we're sailing round the world, curing disease, making phone calls without wires, and making forward passes on football fields.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, October 9, 2009 3:26 PM