Obama and crew shun Fox news by OPPYH

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Sorry if the facts about Obama are painful to ya.

Yet you'll lie outright and rationalize anything so you can think Fox is being picked on.

Sad.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Is the video of Anita Dunn a lie? Did you even watch the damn thing? Was the midnight resignation of avowed marxist & 911 Truther WH czar Van Jones a lie too? Was the Acorn scandal a lie too? Is the latest Rassmussen Poll showing HC support at 42% a lie as well? Are Obama's plummeting poll numbers all a lie too? You really must have blinders on ( Obama brand?) if you cannot see what's right in front of you. I don't give 2 chits about Fox News. I have no stake in the company. I just find it HILARIOUS that the pathetic thugs and wannabe pretenders in the WH are so desperate they have no answers other than to attack this one little network, just like you have no answers other than to launch personal attacks against just about everyone on FFF, including innocents in the General Areas! You have no shame, and you have no legitimacy in my book.

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
this one little network

*Falls off chair*

One LIT- ??

*waves hand in utter dismissal*

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:58 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Sorry if the facts about Obama are painful to ya.

Yet you'll lie outright and rationalize anything so you can think Fox is being picked on.

Sad.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Is the video of Anita Dunn a lie? Did you even watch the damn thing? Was the midnight resignation of avowed marxist & 911 Truther WH czar Van Jones a lie too? Was the Acorn scandal a lie too? Is the latest Rassmussen Poll showing HC support at 42% a lie as well? Are Obama's plummeting poll numbers all a lie too? You really must have blinders on ( Obama brand?) if you cannot see what's right in front of you. I don't give 2 chits about Fox News. I have no stake in the company. I just find it HILARIOUS that the pathetic thugs and wannabe pretenders in the WH are so desperate they have no answers other than to attack this one little network, just like you have no answers other than to launch personal attacks against just about everyone on FFF, including innocents in the General Areas! You have no shame, and you have no legitimacy in my book.

You lie and pretend that Fox is all upstanding iand non-biased, and hide behind a video.

I said nothing about the video dipshit - I was referring to your earlier comments, which were bullshit. I pointed out how, and you ignored it.

And then you have the temerity to attack the credibility of others.

You are a sad little tool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:02 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
this one little network

*Falls off chair*

One LIT- ??

*waves hand in utter dismissal*

The laughing Chrisisall

Chris had a good time here today. I'm glad I could indulge your fleeting interests for once in my life.

On another note........ The White House AND posters here accuse FOX News of being the arm or mouthpiece for the Republican Party. Balderdash!! The Republican Party is a CLUELESS, stagnant organization without one original thought in their head. Michael Steel, Chairman, is a huge disappoinment, and a blundering dunderhead to boot. TO THINK that THOSE pathetic worms could ever advise Fox News about anything is even more laughable than the WH attacking Fox in the first place. TOO bad the RNC doesn't listen and take directions FROM Fox. They might actually learn and know something, but then they'd have to take time away from their mistresses and other dastardly dealings.

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA

What, none of you deigned to bash him over the head with Shrubs little "Catapult the Propaganda" comment ?

Tsk tsk, must I do everything myself ?

Dude, politicians lie, and media networks lie even more - if any of this is news to you, then ya ought to get a crowbar and pry your head out of where it was stuck the last eight years, but if ya do that I guess you'll have to turn in your GOP membership card for non-compliance.

-Frem

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Dude, politicians lie, and media networks lie even more - if any of this is news to you, then ya ought to get a crowbar and pry your head out of where it was stuck the last eight years

Frem: breakin' it down for y'all. Correctly.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:19 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
this one little network

*Falls off chair*

One LIT- ??

*waves hand in utter dismissal*

The laughing Chrisisall

Chris had a good time here today. I'm glad I could indulge your fleeting interests for once in my life.

On another note........ The White House AND posters here accuse FOX News of being the arm or mouthpiece for the Republican Party. Balderdash!! The Republican Party is a CLUELESS, stagnant organization without one original thought in their head. Michael Steel, Chairman, is a huge disappoinment, and a blundering dunderhead to boot. TO THINK that THOSE pathetic worms could ever advise Fox News about anything is even more laughable than the WH attacking Fox in the first place. TOO bad the RNC doesn't listen and take directions FROM Fox. They might actually learn and know something, but then they'd have to take time away from their mistresses and other dastardly dealings.

I'm sorry, but could you clarify.... was that supposed to represent some form of logical thought? A cause and effect relation? Because I see no actual logic there, and just a bunch of bullshit.

The RNC doesn't have to be organized to have water-carriers.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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50% of Fox viewers are Democrat or Independent

Prove it. Show statistics. Because I think that's pure bullshit.

Dancer, I agree

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Which is totally different than an administration that says its critics are "with the terrorists."
Hello pot, this is the kettle.
Not that I approve of such tactics from anyone, but after enduring so much mudslinging, I can hardly blame the Democratic party for getting a little more confrontational.

There's been so much "pot calling kettle black" I just have to laugh when I hear it, it's so absurd.

This is what I heard one pundit say when asked why the White House was speaking up, had they just had enough or something? Yes, but more than that; "If you cannot reason, if you cannot make the argument because of some ulterior motive, if there's not rational thinking," you might as well speak the truth and call them out.

Not sure if it's a good thing to be engaging Fox Noise in any way, but it's refreshing for ME to hear someone in power speak up and tell it like it is. "It's not news, it's pushing a point of view" someone said, which has been so obvious for so long that it shouldn't need saying.

Faux News is TRULY the best name anyone could have given it--tho' Fox Noise is cute, calling it pseudo-news is right on. Had a bumpersticker during the Bush years: "If you're not outraged, you're watching Fox News". Says it all, for me.

Mike, hear, hear:

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I was GRATEFUL that he wasn't going over there and giving out interviews. Every time that idiot speaks, his mangling of the English language has me wanting to jam knitting needles through my eardrums.)

...and that sneering GRIN...

And yeah:

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This is just so much right-wing idiocy as usual. Bitch and insult, then complain that the other side isn't being nice. Anyone catch HW Bush's little snipe-fest last week, where he asked for restraint and an end to the namecalling, then proceeded to refer to "the cables" and in particular, Olbermann and Maddow, as "sick puppies"? Wow. Good thing he's not doing any namecalling, eh?

made me smile, too...how pathetic! Not to mention that, leftie that she may be, I've never found Maddow to be anything but civil and to have a great knack at "following the money". 'Course, to Daddy GW, I suppose that IS being a "sick puppy"!

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This is just a sad, pathetic, and blatently obvious attempt by Obama's goons to deflect the issues that they are losing popularity on.

Oh, gawd, I've got tears in my eyes from laughing so hard...

Cavalier, I agree wholeheartedly. To dismiss Faux Noise is to ignore that what they do, they do VERY well...unfortunately!

Funny, I didn't see this as Obama "crying foul", "blaming" or as an indication that Fox is "getting to him", nor as it being that he hates or is afraid of them...I saw it as calling a spade a spade, purely and simply, and nothing more. Nice someone with a voice finally DID...end of story. Of course it's NOT end of story, Fox Noise won't let it be, but it was satisfying for me.

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question, challenge, investigate the Administration, not cheerlead the issues.

Oh, goodness, there you go again, making me laugh my socks off.

Anyone with an ounce of brain cells can easily see that's not even slightly what they do: twist, instigate, lie and prevaracate is more like it...one rarely hears anything HONEST from them. Tho' I shouldn't say that, I don't watch...I only see clips on other stations, but what I see speaks pretty clearly to what they are about.

Jong,

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If Fox was as supposedly influential on the idiot masses, then how did Obama win the election? On the other hand if Fox is nothing but Right-wing propaganda, how come their ratings are going through the roof, just obliterating everyone else? How come Obama's numbers on just about everything are going south? I do believe there is an Obama backlash going on in the countyr. I think people are sick to death of his endless pontificating and lecturing to us. Seems absurd to me to blame all this on poor lonely Fox News; actually seems sad and pathetic as I said earlier.

Obama won because at the time there were still a lot of Republicans, but a lot more independents, disaffected Republicans and Democrats. Now, by the most recent polls, only 20% of Americans call themselves Republicans. Ooops...and I think Fox had a lot to do with that, their behavior and that of the nutwings--and them embracing their behavior--have disaffected many sensible people who are genuinely Conservative and were part of the party.

Fox's ratings? Well, ever think about the fact that the people who watch Fox probably watch it almost EXCLUSVELY, while the rest of us are divided between many LEGITIMATE (as much as media news is ever legitimate anymore) news stations? When there's a lot to choose from and you don't want rabid propaganda, you've got choice. If you only want to hear one side and hear it from Uber Propagandists, you've pretty much only got one choice.

By the way, from most recent polls, Obama's numbers have recently been and are moving NORTH, if you hadn't been listening. As to your opinion about backlash, I respectfully suggest that's YOUR opinion, not that of the majority of Americans, as shown by both the rising poll numbers and the decreased number of "Republicans".

JS, if you really believe what's been said about Faux News as

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pathetic thugs and wannabe pretenders in the WH [being] so desperate they have no answers other than to attack this one little network

, I'm sad for you. A) I don't see what's been said as an "attack", merely a speaking of the truth which has rarely been spoken, and B) I see no "desperation" anywhere, least of all in calling Faux News exactly what it is: Faux News. I, and millions of others, have known that for ages, and believe me, I'm not desperate...

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The White House AND posters here accuse FOX News of being the arm or mouthpiece for the Republican Party

is amusing, given that it's perfectly possible for someone to be the arm or mouthpiece of a "CLUELESS, stagnant organization without one original thought in their head". Story's got it:

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The RNC doesn't have to be organized to have water-carriers

And I got news for you; the RNC so enthusiastically embracing the ridiculous shit out of the mouths of the idjits on Faux News is part of what's disaffecting so many of their supporters.

Gino, right on:

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either you at least try to appear to tell both sides of the issues without editorializing anyone who disagrees with you as evil...

or you can spout your rubbish without the benefit of access to government press pools.

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:12 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Not sure if it's a good thing to be engaging Fox Noise in any way, but it's refreshing for ME to hear someone in power speak up and tell it like it is. "It's not news, it's pushing a point of view" someone said, which has been so obvious for so long that it shouldn't need saying.

And a big part of the Obama administration saying it may be simply to call them out on what is blatantly obvious to anyone on the outside. Believe it or not, there are still people (some of them posting in this very thread) who actually BELIEVE that FauxNews is an objective news source. That's the sad thing, really.

Yes, I watch MSNBC. And I think I've said it more often and more loudly than anyone else around here: MSNBC *IS* a very liberal network. So much so that you can actually pick out WHICH liberals the various people on the network support. Maddow likes Obama, but she liked Hillary too. Chris Matthews just LOVES Hillary, no matter how many tingles up his leg Obama might give him. Olbermann, who got his start in political commentary during the Clinton impeachment proceedings, LOVES Obama and barely tolerates Hillary. Perhaps he saw more of the behind-the-scenes story when he was covering Monicagate than the others did; I don't know.

Thing is, they're liberal, and they don't pull any punches in saying so. And then you have FauxNews, whose people have suddenly decided to declare themselves as "independents" in the last nine months or so, and who actually expect people to believe they never really wanted McCain and Palin to win, because they weren't "real" conservatives.

Someone claimed that half the FauxNews viewers are independents or Democrats. I'd laugh, but that's probably true. After all, if it were only Republicans watching, then Fox would have fewer viewers than their business network does (is it still on the air? Last time I checked, Davey and Goliath reruns were pulling better numbers than FauxBidness). Latest poll results show that fewer than 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans today. That's the lowest numbers in a generation. Of course, the vast majority of those so-called "independents" are the people who up to a year ago were proud Bush-league Republicans. As Frem has pointed out (hilariously, I thought), you could goddam near HEAR them outside late at night, busily scratching those "W" stickers off their car windows, and drooping their heads and hoping nobody would remember.

The only thing that makes them "independent" in any way, shape or form is that four years ago they were screaming "Support the President! He's YOUR President too!" - and now they're living in mortal dread of those words coming back to bite them in the ass, so they declare their "independence" from supporting their President, their troops, their country, or their flag. You know, any of those things that not supporting in full throat and loud voice a mere couple of years ago, they would have deemed un-American.

Independent, my ass. You can't be independent if you're still being force-fed your opinions and talking points by FauxNews.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:52 PM

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MSNBC *IS* a very liberal network.

Mike, it's a Liberal network? I just don't see it. It's a MIDDLE network, as far as I can see, which is NOT AT ALL a bad thing- I just think the phrase "Liberal" is applied, in America anyway, to any belief system that does not include military domination of the third world that has resources that we want/need.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:13 PM

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MSNBC *IS* a very liberal network.
Mike, it's a Liberal network? I just don't see it. It's a MIDDLE network, as far as I can see, which is NOT AT ALL a bad thing- I just think the phrase "Liberal" is applied, in America anyway, to any belief system that does not include military domination of the third world that has resources that we want/need.

The laughing Chrisisall

Well, yeah - it's "liberal" by American standards.

It's funny, because all the righties keep going on about how "right-wing conservatives" are winning positions in European governments, but they'd be shocked if they ever actually met any of those Euro "right-wingers" - they're further left than even the lefty-looney fringe here at home! Angella Merkel of Germany comes to mind; she's what passes for a "conservative" in Europe, and even she doesn't want Bush touching her!

Mike

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:18 PM

Shrub on MY neck would be... a Kung Fu excuse.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:21 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Fox.....

Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:12 PM

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Are you really that.... simple????
Are you?

I could care less about Fox news, but Obama should expect harsh words from the Right wing chicken wings. When he shows they are getting to him, it makes him look awfully weak. But if that's his angle then I guess it's up to him how he's perceived .

But then, by that logic, don't THEY look awfully weak by showing that Obama is getting to THEM?

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:21 PM

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Was the Acorn scandal a lie too? Is the latest Rassmussen Poll showing HC support at 42% a lie as well? Are Obama's plummeting poll numbers all a lie too?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Next!

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:41 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good one, Mike. Sigh...I spent a couple of hours put together references and facts on all three, then lost the whole damned post (teach me to do stuff in Word....

. There was a lot more info in the original, but here’s as much as I’m willing to re-find.

ACORN: The recent ACORN scandal was about two conservative activists who dressed up as prostitute and pimp and went to ACORN offices with a hidden video camera to get dirt. Couple of offices shut the door on them, couple called authorities, one very stupid woman “played back” at them, pretending to be a prostitute and giving “advice”. She’s since been fired, as she should have been, as it was a really stupid thing to do and gave ammunition to the conservatives with which to attack them.

Health Care reform: Rasmussen poll is real; but it depends on what poll you read and when it was taken and by whom. RABC/Washington Post:“Americans divide about evenly on the reform plan; but 57 percent support one of the plan's most contentious elements, a government-sponsored insurance option, and that soars to 76 percent if it's limited to those who can't get affordable private insurance”( http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/obama-health-care-abc-news-
washington-post-poll/story?id=8863442); Gallup: “51% of Americans favor or lean toward favoring a bill, while 41% oppose it or lean toward opposition” ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/123470/Opposition-Healthcare-Legislation-Dr
ops-Modestly.aspx_; Associated Press: “The public is split 40-40 on supporting or opposing the health care legislation”( http://cbs2.com/national/health.care.reform.2.1232611.html)

Obama’s Numbers: Again, depends on what poll and when. Broken down by date, pollster and approve/disapprove:

Rasmussen:
10/18-20 – 47/53
10/15-17 – 49/50
10/12-14 – 48/51

Gallup:
10/18-20 – 50/42
10/15-17 – 53/41
10/3-5 – 51/49

CNN:
10/16-18 – 55/43

ABC/Post:
10/15-18 – 57/40

Fox:
10/13-14 – 49/45

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Those are the most recent ones. In the first two cases, he went up, then down in a couple of DAYS. Do you really want to hang your hat on “plummet”?

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Friday, October 23, 2009 1:57 PM

By the way, Cheney's big speech, in which he chastised Obama's administration for doing what Bush agreed to do in Iraq, and said Obama was "dithering" in Afghanistan despite Bush's actual REFUSAL to send more troops in when he was asked for them by General McKiernan...

Yeah, FOX was the ONLY "news" outlet that was given an advance copy of that speech. In other words, the Bush Crew STILL shuns everybody BUT Fox.

Oh, and that guy that Bush called a "major-league asshole" who worked at the NY Times? Yeah, Bush refused to give any interviews to the Times for the entirety of his two terms. So they absolutely, definitely, unequivocally shunned the New York Times, the "paper of record".

And in a fluff piece on Fox, former White House spokesmodel Dana Perino came right out and admitted that they refused to deal with MSNBC for the last few years of the Bush administration.

So tell me - WHAT was your problem with Obama shunning Fox?

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Friday, October 23, 2009 2:58 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, Mike, I caught that one...Fox and their ilk are screaming bloody murder about Obama have a meal with some MSNBC folk; from the way they whine and holler, you'd think it'd been a treasonous act.

Now, during Dumbya's time, liberal media were anathema at the White House--despite requests, they were excluded on a regular basis. Obama met with conservative media BEFORE he met with liberal media when he took office, and has met with both ever since.

Soooo...as usual: Bush did it, it's cool; Obama does it, OMIGAWD THE COUNTRY'S GOING TO COLLAPSE!!! Ya gotta giggle.

Nothing new here, move on...

I don't think they're "shunning" Fox Noise, rather they're being clear, that they're happy to deal with real news media, but will deal with Fox Noise like the propaganda-pushing political hacks they ARE. Seems fair to me. They didn't say there was anything WRONG with Fixed News being "fixed", only that they can't purport to be NEWS by doing so, instead they will be recognized as right-wing "commentators". What's wrong with that?

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Friday, October 23, 2009 3:18 PM

Also, it should be noted that one of the people Fox touts as one of its "real" - ahem - "journalists" (as opposed to commentators or "entertainers" as they refer to Beck and O'Really) is now appearing at the Americans For Prosperity events - not as a reporter, mind you, but as a paid spokesman and headliner.

How much "reportage" do you suppose this will get on FauxNews? And will they admit that he's there for the cash and to push his agenda?

Mike

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Friday, October 23, 2009 3:43 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

...and Dumbya is a motivational speaker, did you hear? Yup, few people I've ever seen were as motivated as Shrub Jr., damned few...

Actually, I shouldn't say that, when I think on it; few people have ever motivated ME as much as Jr...

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Friday, October 23, 2009 4:15 PM

I know - and he's speaking in Fort Worth, not too far from Austin!

I'm actually thinking about strapping on my guns and going to his speech.

And y'know, it might damned well be worth the $19 fee to go hear him. That's cheaper than a night at the comedy club, and almost guaranteed to be twice as damn funny!

Mike

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Friday, October 23, 2009 5:58 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh and let's not forget rolling their own "news" a'la Jeffie Gannon, not matter HOW they try to flush that down the Memory Hole.

-F

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Friday, October 23, 2009 6:58 PM

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Oh and let's not forget rolling their own "news" a'la Jeffie Gannon, not matter HOW they try to flush that down the Memory Hole.

-F

Yup. PAYING people at "legitimate" news outlets to write stories favorable to the administration, paying for "news stories" that were nothing more than paid infomercials shilling their latest line of crap, relying on "planted" reporters in the White House press pool, like Jeff Gannon of "Talon News Service".

So, "Hero", Oppyh, and others - What's worse, shunning a "news" organization that's nothing more than a broadcast editorial page masquerading as front-page news, or embracing that same "news" source WHILE PAYING THEM AND FEEDING THEM THE STORIES YOU WANT THEM TO RUN?

Maybe Fox should be required to run a disclaimer before every one of its "newscasts":

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The following is a paid political advertisement, paid for by the Republican National Committee, which is solely responsible for its content. The views and opinions expressed herein are solely the views of the Party, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the meatpuppet reading them off the teleprompter. He's just doing what we tell him, and what we pay him for.

Mike

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Friday, October 23, 2009 8:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Yup. PAYING people at "legitimate" news outlets to write stories favorable to the administration

For the record, y'all DO know Michelle Malkin admitted to that, right ?

Just sayin, next time one of the so-called conservatives starts cribbing that shit again...

-F

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Monday, October 26, 2009 2:06 AM