Not PN - Obama Declares National Emergency - Pharmacos need profit NOW! by AnthonyT

Soon as I heard this, I got a bit pissed off about it.

Still pissed, and oh so very suspicious - I was WAITING for this, you understand ?

Hell, I've been alluding to it from the start, and this is one more notch forward on the whole REX84 gamebook, a damned important one - the whole PURPOSE of this let's-pretend-pandemic was in order to create an excuse to do exactly this, cause it then activates the emergency powers decreed under Executive Order 11921 (1976) which then allows much greater abuses.

NOW is the time to seriously pay attention, people, do not, please do not even consider acting with the complacency that has doomed so many nations over the years once those words have been spoken.

As of that moment, any support I would ever offer this administration has ceased and I consider them as a potential enemy.

Cause they are, see - once that "National Emergency" and the powers enabled by it have been invoked, we are no longer fundamentally a Democratic Republic.

And for the moment, that's all I have to say on it.

-Frem

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:52 AM

OPPYH

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

NOW is the time to seriously pay attention, people, do not, please do not even consider acting with the complacency that has doomed so many nations over the years once those words have been spoken.

As of that moment, any support I would ever offer this administration has ceased and I consider them as a potential enemy.

-Frem

That's going a little far isn't it. The H1N1 is suppose to spread to half the population of America. This could get scary. In my opinion this is an emergency.
Obama has done the right thing.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:38 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

If you wanted to you could believe that Big Pharma actually circulated the vaccine = evil rumors so that fewer people would get the shot, which would cause more people to become infected, which would then create even more demand.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:42 AM

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8906684#

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Declaring a national emergency immediately gives federal authorities dangerous new powers that can now be enforced at gunpoint, including:

• The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.

• The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.

• The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.

• The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.

• The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights. Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.

None of this means that federal agents are going to march door to door arresting people at gunpoint if they refuse the vaccine, but they could if they wanted to. Your rights as an American are no longer recognized under this national emergency declaration.

www.naturalnews.com/027323_swine_flu_national_emergency_pandemic.html

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"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussien Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

Foreign exchange student Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro smoking dope

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Being of a somewhat less paranoid bent of mind, I find this considerably less terrifying than others may. Declaring a state or national emergency is done often to cut through red tape, provide assistance and finances beyond the norm, etc. While the provisions noted COULD be used to bypass the Bill of Rights, I don't see that it means they WILL.

Bush declared states of national emergency for the "existence and risk of the proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula. We're still in it, as far as I know, plus the one for 9/11.

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The U.S. has been in a continuous state of emergency since 1950 as a result of the Cold War.

As a result, in 1976, the National Emergencies Act set a limit of two years on emergency declarations unless the president explicitly extends them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Emergency

Sure, doing so expands their powers. But given we were in one since 1950, we're still in one for 9/11, Bush put us in one for Korea (?), and there's a time-limit on them, I don't see they even NEEDED to declare one if they wanted to infringe on our rights. The precedent's already been set, if they want to. What seems more reasonable to me is:

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President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients.

Administration officials said the declaration was a pre-emptive move designed to make decisions easier when they need to be made. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal rules when opening alternative care sites, such as offsite hospital centers at schools or community centers if hospitals seek permission.

Some hospitals have opened drive-thrus and drive-up tent clinics to screen and treat swine flu patients. The idea is to keep infectious people out of regular emergency rooms and away from other sick patients.

Hospitals could modify patient rules - for example, requiring them to give less information during a hectic time - to quicken access to treatment, with government approval, under the declaration.

It also addresses a financial question for hospitals - reimbursement for treating people at sites not typically approved. For instance, federal rules do not allow hospitals to put up treatment tents more than 250 yards away from the doors; if the tents are 300 yards or more away, typically federal dollars won't go to pay for treatment.

Administration officials said those rules might not make sense while fighting the swine flu, especially if the best piece of pavement is in the middle of a parking lot and some medical centers already are putting in place parts of their emergency plans.

"I think the term emergency declaration sounds more dramatic than it really is," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a research professor and chairman of the Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Tropical Medicine at George Washington University. "It's largely an administrative move that's more preemptive ..." He said such a step would give emergency rooms and hospitals the flexibility they need.

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State Health Commissioner Susan R. Cooper said Sunday she welcomes President Barack Obama's declaration of a national emergency for H1N1.

Commissioner Cooper said, "The Presidential declaration is a proactive step in preparing for a potential increase in illness and facility demands related to H1N1 flu.

"This virus is spreading rapidly, and there is the potential for healthcare systems to become overburdened.

"This administrative statement will allow healthcare facilities to request specific waivers from the federal Department of Health and Human Services to allow them to initiate their disaster plans quickly in response to increased demand.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_161661.asp

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The swine flu outbreak is now a national emergency, but some in North Texas say the declaration is too little, too late.

"The declaration in essence is kind of a technicality, just like when we declare a disaster to say we're going to allow for resources or funding or to liberalize some of our usual routine just so that we can better care for people," said Dr. Paul Pepe, medical director for the city of Dallas EMS.

"This is not going to have a major impact, I think, in terms of how we're going to be going about doing things," said Pepe. "We've kind of been through the kind of things they're saying that we should prepare for, and they're trying to say it's OK to take some special actions."

I'm not headed for my bomb shelter at any time soon, thank you.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:49 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Jap motorbike racer gets bird flu, finishes 2nd, Obama declares world emergency
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/25/ben-spies-world-superbike-champio
nship

American Ben Spies wins Euro world championship for Jap manufacturer in Italian team on Italian tires thanks to Bird Flu Made In USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Spies
www.benspies.com

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:13 PM

Niki, he cited it under certain USC provisions that make me all kinda of nervous, like USC 50 - and having read the statement I can see why and his reasoning, but it's an extraordinarily dangerous precedent and carries such a tremendous risk of abuse that I don't think being watchful and prepared is unwarranted at all.

Especially when over the course of the last couple years I watched the former administration quietly install that agenda step by step while other issues were at the forefront of our nations attention.

I mean, when you have seen and read actual plans to turn our country into a dictatorship - official documents from confirmed sources with full admission from the very agencies who created them - at that point it's no longer theory at all, is it ?

And each time one of those "this is how we'll do it" bullet points is cranked forward - I get a chill right down the back of my spine, don't you know.

I was hopeful that with the neo-con thugs out of office that this shit would stop, having those detention camps built en masse was mostly a sop to Helliburnin/KBR, but it was dual purpose in nature as well, and watching the door to door seizures in Katrina didn't make me at all comfy, especially since soon after they started goin on about all this riot control stuff like LRAD and the ADS pain beam which they swore up and down would never EVER be used on american citizens...

I did not buy that at the time, and I *HAVE* been proven out to be correct about the fact that such was exactly what they wanted them for the entire time, and they did use em on americans, most recently at the G20 protests - although the ADS they brought was damaged before they could put it to use.

Then pulling a section of active duty military and deploying them here with suppressing us as our primary mission, and a whole lot of other units practicing how to suppress and round up a civilian population, with vehicles equipped and configured for domestic deployment ?

Really, at what point are we going to say "Hey, wait a damned minute..." when we sit and watch as that official, on the books, actual policy 'plan' is cranked forward notch by notch ?

And now this.

I know it serves as a shot across the bow to the insurance pricks and that whole ID requirements thing, sandbagging of progress and general obstructionism - that being his primary purpose in doing so, with a side order of putting fear into any collective of hard right nimrods who might think of pulling something stupid...

I don't even necessarily mistrust Obama sufficiently to think his intentions lie anywhere along that path - but there's plenty of folk in our Gov who should not be trusted who mighta helped maneuver things into where a stunt like this looked necessary.

One of the things that's been very relevant to my employment as of late is the line between suspicious conduct, and when it's time to intervene - I mean, someone walking, looking around bears watching, but folks do stuff like that, right ?

But when they slip the slimjim out of their sleeve and start approaching the car, at that point you DO act - because regardless of their intent, their actions are something that MUST be addressed immediately as they are evidence of a potential crime in progress.

Well, for me, this is that moment - I've been watching carefully ever since the powers that be started playing let's-pretend-pandemic, WAITING for exactly this, hoping against hope that they did not push it that far because of just how badly this could go - the potential for utter catastrophe here is unspeakable, especially what with enough knowledge of history and how these things come to be - this is not in any way a spur of the moment decision for me...

It's the moment when the suspicious character I've been watching pulls out the tools and starts committing the crime.

So yeah, I don't consider it an overreaction at all - only a reasonable assessment of the evidence in front of me.

If you would like cites for any of the claims above, they're available for the asking, but my damn neighbor screwed me out of seven hours of sleep with his loudass TV today and I'm in a bit of a rush at the moment.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, October 26, 2009 2:12 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Posting just to change the title, since even the article PN cites doesn't say a single word about bird flu, swine flu, or any other kind of flu.

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Haga had gone into the final round of the series leading the championship standings but had qualified poorly and then crashed out of race one, effectively ending his title hopes.

Haga bounced back to finish second in race two behind his team-mate Michel Fabrizio but Spies, who finished the race in fifth, had done enough to secure his first world title.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Monday, October 26, 2009 3:21 AM

JONGSSTRAW

It definitely IS a national emergency. I don't see why people are making a big deal over declaring it as such. 1000+ dead, mostly kids, is worthy of some special attention.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 3:57 AM

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Obama's First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vac
cinated-against-h1n1/
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?p=1506

Do Not Take The H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Until You Read These Tragic Real Life Vaccine Horror Stories
http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/do-not-take-the-h1n1-swine-flu-
vaccine-until-you-read-these-tragic-real-life-vaccine-horror-stories

Nori Haga mentioned he had the flu during the post race press conference on Speed TV, where he crashed in the first race and finished 2nd in the 2nd race (2 races in 1 day). Did he get flu from a flu shot? If so it cost him $10-million in lost income by finishing 2nd in the World Superbike Championship.

Haga also hit a BIRD FLEW in a previous race, paralyzing his arm and causing a crash. Coincidence?
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/wsbk-yamaha-go-for-triple-crown
-pt-2-of-2//P1/

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"First I've got to thank Yamaha for giving me the shit I needed to win! (and Centers for Disease Creation for poisoning my competition!)"
-Ben Spies, 2009 World Superbike Champion, Speed TV, Press release sanitized for your protection
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38542

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Monday, October 26, 2009 4:15 AM

BYTEMITE

Who the hell wrote that article? It gives crap for information, more questions than answers. CNN's quality of reporting is increasingly disappointing.

Article does not state specific powers/abilities granted by declaration of national emergency to public health services through medicare/medicaid/CHIP. Nor does it state any specifics about the National Emergency PLAN. A national emergency is usually declared in conjunction with a step-by-step process outlined to address the national emergency.

Nothing and nothing. Only a little blurb about waiving and/or modifying certain "requirements."

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Calling the emergency declaration "an important tool in our kit going forward," one administration official called Obama's action a "proactive measure that's not in response to any new development."

Er... then why DECLARE a damn national emergency? if this is, as stated, the peak of the season, then won't the number of cases be going down on their own after this?

I note that 1,000 deaths (4,525 global) is still considerably lower than the yearly average of regular flu related deaths (250K to 500K), and lower than the WHO standards to declare a pandemic.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs211/fr/

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Au niveau mondial, ces épidémies annuelles sont responsables d’environ trois à cinq millions de cas de maladies graves, et 250 000 à 500 000 décès.

Not a pandemic nor national emergency.

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Frieden said that while the way vaccine is manufactured is "tried and true," it's not well-suited for ramping up production during a pandemic because it takes at least six months. The vaccine is produced by growing weakened virus in eggs.

...????

I consider myself a scientist, I've taken classes in cell biology and genetics, but I admit I don't know much about virus. Does this make any sense to anyone? How do you weaken a virus without genetics, modifying the protein coat, or using heat to kill the virus (which, wouldn't that denature the protein and DNA and make the vaccine worthless)? And why an egg?

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Monday, October 26, 2009 4:33 AM

BYTEMITE

Hey, Niki, most of us are either not all that fond of the powers the government has claimed by declaring a national emergency for 9-11, or they support the Bush administration. That may not be the right argument to make with this crowd.

I get that you're saying that you don't think "national emergency" abuses are the end of the world, but I still find the TREND of increasing government abuse and justification a disturbing one.

On the other hand, I couldn't find anything googling Frem's mention of USC 50, Obama, and swine flu. Still no idea what measures are about to be implemented.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 5:11 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Who the hell wrote that article? It gives crap for information, more questions than answers. CNN's quality of reporting is increasingly disappointing.

Article does not state specific powers/abilities granted by declaration of national emergency to public health services through medicare/medicaid/CHIP.

The media mafia is paid by the gubmit to CENSOR the news. That's why the net is kickin their a$$ets.

Even WhiteHouse.gov appears to have censored that document.

‘Poisoning attempt’ criminal charges filed against gubmit for French H1N1 vac campaign
www.fleshandstone.net/healthandsciencenews/1662.html

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Monday, October 26, 2009 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
On the other hand, I couldn't find anything googling Frem's mention of USC 50, Obama, and swine flu. Still no idea what measures are about to be implemented.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001701----000-.html

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001702----000-
.html

Re: EO 11921 & related EO's to states of emergency.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-11921.htm

(I do not care for, nor subscribe to the views of this source, but they do have the relevant information handy in a useable form, rather than fifteen seperate links.)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Establishing_martial_law_in
_the_United_States

As for REX84, it's one of them things that like NORTHWOODS, is so awful that even with proof in hand no one WANTS to believe it, but I am very much *not* going on speculation here, REX84 was just the first time this concept had been publicly outed - the original papers when it was cooked up in the office of Henry "Scoop" Jackson by what would become the Neo-Cons were retroactively classified and seized by the CIA under orders from the Bush administration in 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson#Jackson_Papers_controver
sy

It's not a myth, or a theory, it's straight up, on the books government POLICY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

"In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment. It is assigned to Northcom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities."

And if you think for a single moment that I happen to be mistaken or perhaps taking this too seriously, I want you to read this thread relevant to exactly what has happened here.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38015

Step by step, folks, right on down the line.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, October 26, 2009 12:44 PM

BYTEMITE

Did Obama specifically invoke USC 50, or is that part and parcel of declaring a national state of emergency?

EDIT: Reading again, looks like it's part of it, but I just want to be sure.

Thanks for the links, much better idea now.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I understand and accept your fears, Frem, and agree wholeheartedly that we should ALWAYS be wary of the government...too bad the majority wasn't for the past eight years--or at the very least, before re-electing Dumbya!

I hold to my beliefs tho', and add this: What do you think would happen if, say, this does turn out to be serious and many more than have already died end up dying, and Obama had done nothing? Or even if he'd done some thing but NOT declared a National Emergency? I think he'd be drawn and quartered by the Republicans, some Democrats AND the media, post haste.

I see this as a measure to minimize red tape and help the health professionals deal with a potentially very serious problem. Certainly I could be wrong, and was among those DAMNED well aware of what Bush did with his fear mongering. I also know they say it's peaked or will peak shortly, but I'll wait to see A) how long this "National Emergency" declaration lasts, B)what (if anything) they do with it that might be wrong, and C)how the H1N1 thing turns out. As with everything, we each have to decide for ourselves.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It definitely IS a national emergency. I don't see why people are making a big deal over declaring it as such. 1000+ dead, mostly kids, is worthy of some special attention.

Is it the 1000 dead that makes it a national emergency? If so 42,848 uninsured people would like to speak to the government. Oh, wait - they can't, because that's how many died in the last year because they didn't have health insurance.

And if 30,000-36,000 die every year from the seasonal flu, and 1000 have died in 6 months from this "pandemic", then what's the big emergency, really?

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Is it the 1000 dead that makes it a national emergency? If so 42,848 uninsured people would like to speak to the government. Oh, wait - they can't, because that's how many died in the last year because they didn't have health insurance.

Mmmmm...spot on.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 1:38 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Posting just to change the title, since even the article PN cites doesn't say a single word about bird flu, swine flu, or any other kind of flu.

'...People have suffered from influenza for thousands of years. Viruses identical or closely related to the human form of the infection can be isolated from ducks, turkeys, swine, horses, and many other species of warm-blooded vertebrates, as well. It is hypothesized that humans probably acquired influenza when domestication of animals first began. The development of agriculture and the establishment of permanent settlements provided sufficient numbers of potential hosts to create an epidemic. The term “influenza” was coined by an Italian in the mid-1700’s to conote a disease resulting from miasma (bad air). The human disease is thought to have arisen about 6000 years ago. A human influenza virus was not isolated until 1933.'

http://www.medicalecology.org/diseases/influenza/influenza.htm#sect2.1

The popular theory held by many virologists is that human influenza viruses typically begin as avian flu , then are in turn transmitted to swine , where they then mutate into a form that may be acquired by humans...

It could be said that all human influenzas are both avian/swine varieties from their inception...

Also , from the same site above , a comment on the 'Spanish' flu of 1918 :

'...This distinctive strain of influenza swept across the face of the earth in three major waves between 1918 and 1919. Although it is uncertain as to where the first wave in the spring of 1918 originated, all available evidence indicates that it appeared in the United States in March of 1918. It attracted very little attention because pneumonic complications were few and deaths even fewer; it appeared as no more than just another bout with the kind of respiratory disease that so often circulates during that time of the year. Only later, after the second and third killer waves appeared did statisticians notice that an unusually large proportion of the flu and pneumonia victims were young adults.'

Just like H1N1 !

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Monday, October 26, 2009 3:50 PM

Specifically invoked.

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...by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 201 and 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and consistent with section 1135 of the Social Security Act (SSA), as amended (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5), do hereby find and proclaim that...

That was the tripwire which set my little warning bells off, but it's ALSO a clue to what he means to do here.

See, as you've realized by reading the above sections of USC 50 - it prettymuch gives him carte blanche to do ANYTHING to certain domestic and foreign based pharmaceutical companies if they decide to pull any funny business, up to and including military action - don't think that ain't lost on em, neither.

This is HIS shot across the bow also in the whole healthcare debate, played rather shadily by sliding in on a friday night and then not making public till saturday afternoon, thus eliminating the ability to challenge it - can't say I like that at all, you know ?

Remember what I said about Obama taking greater and greater risks - well, this is certainly one of em, but the problem is that while he has tried to restrict it soley to a single issue, the action and enforcement of something like this is gonna fall upon offices historically proven to completely ignore those pesky limitations because it's so very hard NORMALLY to call them up short for it, and impossible under a state of emergency.

Ain't Obama I am worried about so much as a lesser office running with that ball for partisan political or agenda based reasons, and it DOES happen - look how the Bush administration CRUSHED any dissent, especially domestic, under a specific act to engage FOREIGN terrorists ?

Then there's all the offices civil and public under that capable of takin advantage of it, someone mentioned TN banks already prepping excuses(1) in advance, I see...

What unsettles me the most though, it being aware of a step-by-step official policy to turn the USA into a dictatorship - and watching, step by step, as it's put into action, each successive step makes me exponentially more nervous, especially when I can call em in advance so effectively, often within DAYS of their execution, months if not years in advance.
Wouldn't that make YOU really, really nervous, if you'd started on step two, and just watched step fourteen, right on time, right on schedule ?

I was HOPING Obama took a third option here, the man is certainly smart enough, and Biden's proxy attack on the Antitrust exemption was a good start in that direction, but I guess some of them hyde park roots are showin and Obama has opted for the length of pipe upside the head, politically...

But it's just so damned dangerously exploitable, it's a bad, BAD risk, especially when it plays right into the hands of the Neo-Feudo-Fascists by giving them exactly what they WANT, should they be able to pull off a power play or palace coup - history has some harsh lessons about that sorta thing, and all the worst ones come from the fall of the Weimar Republic, hell, we've even got the brownshirts, which'd be a lot more dangerous save for a general lack of balls and folks like me exploiting, converting, and sandbaggin em.

Anyhows, this is not a good thing - and a time to remain on our toes.

To put it in Star Trek terminology...

It ain't arm the phasers red alert at this time, but it's damn sure get the shields up yellow.

-Frem
(1) Again - having been victim to the fall of the FSLIC and being robbed of $1800.00 USD which was "safe" in Old Court Savings and Loan, be aware that when you most NEED that money, they WILL slam the doors on you and confiscate it, which means it ain't safe at all, is it now ?
Especially with the FDIC even more insolvent than the FSLIC was and goin round begging pennies from the bailed-out fatcats.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 6:11 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Frem

Still pissed, and oh so very suspicious - I was WAITING for this, you understand ?

Well I wasn't. I must've I had a little H4C2 (Hope for Change to ... something different)

Ah well, same 'ol

This is the reason we shouldn't vote: People who voted for him have a vested psychological interest, and so willingly support appalling policy. The irony is that they don't get that this is exactly what happened to the other side last time.

I still like the guy, and am only a couple of degrees of separation away, but I am not liking this govt. Either he's a full Chicago School globalist in with the bad crowd putting a good smile on a rolling deathstar, or he's trying to use the one ring for good and is caught in way over his head. I tend to think the latter, but every move like this causes my faith to slip a little bit.

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:57 AM

O2B: THIS is what I was referring to, when PN changed the title to talk about the "Jap" racer, and referenced an article which made no mention of influenza, Obama, nor anything else of relevance:

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Jap motorbike racer gets bird flu, finishes 2nd, Obama declares world emergency
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/25/ben-spies-world-superbike-champio
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American Ben Spies wins Euro world championship for Jap manufacturer in Italian team on Italian tires thanks to Bird Flu Made In USA

Hopefully that will clear up any confusion.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:00 AM

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I still like the guy, and am only a couple of degrees of separation away, but I am not liking this govt. Either he's a full Chicago School globalist in with the bad crowd putting a good smile on a rolling deathstar, or he's trying to use the one ring for good and is caught in way over his head. I tend to think the latter, but every move like this causes my faith to slip a little bit.

In that, we've found some common ground and are in complete agreement.

Mike

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:17 PM