Monsters. by Wulfenstar

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"How many firefights have YOU been in Wulf ? How many on your side ? How many on the other side ? How many shots did you fire ? How many 'enemies' did you hit ? How did those firefights turn out ?

For the record."

Meet me in person, and Ill tell you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

Implying a physical threat while once again bitching out on a simple question! Priceless, classic Wulfie!

Love it!

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Yep, more bullshit. Pathetic stuff, at that. Since you can't actually POST anything better.

So, here we have this guy - let's call him Wulfie for the sake of the argument - who claims that out of the armory he pretends to carry in his trunk - he could single-handely take out at least 15 people who are also armed, and not receive any return fire.

All who believe this fabrication - raise your hands.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

Wouldn't you say that fits right in with my theory about Wulfie's hero fantasies?

I can understand to a degree - I use to have little hero-trippin' daydreams myself. Of course, I was in junior high at the time.... but some folks take longer to mature than others.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey Rue- Nobody believes this fabrication. Prolly even Wulf doesn't believe it. But his statement is an emotional one not a practical one, so I kind of let it pass, yanno?

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:38 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Um, Rue?

Want to post your name, address, SS# and account info on here?

Please. Post it for the public to see, and to use.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:39 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Meet me in person, and Ill tell you.

Unless you're now purposefully sabotaging your own thread, you're just being lazy here. You can do better than that.

You implied something about your experience with firefights, but when asked about it you put ridiculous conditions on any actual clarification. That's not fair and you don't get to make fun of people for calling you out.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:41 AM

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"You implied something about your experience with firefights, but when asked about it you put ridiculous conditions on any actual clarification. That's not fair and you don't get to make fun of people for calling you out."

No. Im simply taking the 5th.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:52 AM

RIVERLOVE

There's a Church's Chicken down the street from me with a sign advertising a fry cook opportunity. I've heard somewhere that is good preparation for getting into firefights.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

No. Im simply taking the 5th.

You are simply being a chickenshit, actually.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 9:48 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Um, Rue?

Want to post your name, address, SS# and account info on here?

Please. Post it for the public to see, and to use.

Yet we all know that, even though you'll ask it of others, you do not have the courage to step up and do it yourself.

You're too cowardly to answer direct questions, no chance you'll even tell folks your name.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 9:58 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Guys, guys... you're ringing and baiting someone who prolly has PTSD. That approach is guaranteed to bring out the very worst. Like I said before: If you want someone to act human, you have to treat them humanely. Those of you who do not have a traumatic background, this might be a good time to step back and practice what you preach.

Those of you who do... well, I feel for you, too.

Hugs.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:02 AM

If someone uses their trauma as an excuse to be a hateful violent tool, I've no issue with calling them on it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:07 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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If someone uses their trauma as an excuse to be a hateful violent tool, I've no issue with calling them on it.

Trauma creates this behavior; it's not an "excuse".

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:07 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

No, I won't tell you my name. Its unimportant.

However, I will tell you a little story. One of a few, but the first of many.

There was a kid, not more than 12. He was one of 4 white kids in an all black area.

To make a long story short, he was friends with the local group of underprivileged youth. They found it funny to name themselves after people with physical disabilities.

Another group, didn't like the group that he was hanging out with.

And, being a somewhat more noticeable target, decided to give our little protagonist a bad case of lead poisoning.

With the hope that afterward, they could collect his ears as a trophy.

The second group, unaware of physics, and the firing of a weapon from a car, missed.

As this kid got older, he learned how to build, and shoot a weapon in self-defense.

Many years, and many stupid fights and mistakes later, here he stands. Mostly deaf, with deep scars, and a bad attitude.

You want more info, sorry... Can't give that to you.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Now, that we've all played the "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" game.

Can we please talk about how to prevent this tragedy from occurring agian?

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:12 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
There's a Church's Chicken down the street from me with a sign advertising a fry cook opportunity. I've heard somewhere that is good preparation for getting into firefights.

Are you saying people who like fried chicken are more violent than people who like hamburgers?? You and Wulf...

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:22 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

So, since we are all being silly... have another clip.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:40 AM

Wulfie, I've yet to see you be anything but "silly".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:52 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The worst nightmare of most liberals (sorry) is a white boy taught in the streets and the ghettos of our country.

Especially if they keep a sense of right and wrong.

and AGAIN, this shit that happened, was wrong.

But hey, its more fun for some to sit and give ME shit for bringing it up.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:14 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

So, where's the Punisher when you need them?

Its in each and every one of you. You just have to have the courage to stand up and be counted.

To stop, by any means necessary, the evil you see.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:16 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

I continue to listen, continue to see you fail to notice your missteps, and continue to see you ramp up the bravado of your stance.

There is no Navy Seal, Ranger, or other Special Forces operative who would feel sanguine about taking on 15 potentially armed people solo with an assault rifle.

Most especially not anyone who had actually been in a firefight.

And absolutely most especially not at 'close range' as you suggest. If you are using a rifle at close range, then you're doing it wrong.

I am just stunned by the things I continue to see you post, Wulf.

Try to step outside of yourself for a moment. If you are Rambo incarnate, 15 man killer, then try to imagine the 99.999% of humanity (including military veterans) who aren't unstoppable killing machines. People who can't dodge bullets or absorb wounds like a Hollywood Hero. People who can't outshoot a cluster of 15 men without a squad gun. Most particularly people who can't do it without murdering the very victim they are trying to save.

In other words, try to imagine what real people might do.

My personal hope is that a lot of people might have called the police to break up the rape- but that the onlookers must not have understood just what it was they were looking at. It's the only way I can rationalize the actions of bystanders. They must have thought this was a woman willingly servicing multiple paramours.

If she was not constantly yelling for help, all anyone might have seen was a woman being serviced by several grinning men. Chances are that very soon after the rape began, she would have been spent, catatonic, and hiding in some corner of her mind waiting for it all to be over.

And so when Jo Blo came by, it's possible he had no idea that this was anything more than a very public and pornographic display.

The alternative- that multiple passerby recognized the rape and failed to call the police- is almost unthinkable.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:19 AM

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15 may be a stretch.

7, I can say is possible.

Who were these people that they could listen to her screams AND DO NOTHING?

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:19 AM

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15 may be a stretch.

7, I can say is possible.

Who were these people that they could listen to her screams AND DO NOTHING?

ETA: Im assuming that the vic is on the ground and the other 14 are standing.

ETA: "I am just stunned by the things I continue to see you post, Wulf." GOOD. Because you should be. You should be horrified. You should WANT to do something about this.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:30 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I get the impression that Wulfie spends a lot of time hanging 'round the house fantasizing about various scenarios in which he gets to shoot the fuck out of blacks/mexicans/federals/libruls - depending on the fantasy. Probably all of the above in his favorite scenarios. Likely clutching his weapon while daydreaming.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Awww, hell, Story - *I* have fantasies like that, too. I take mine out on video games. "Get some!"

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:31 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Who were these people that they could listen to her screams AND DO NOTHING?

I don't recall reading anything about "her screaming." Maybe you are assuming? Hearing them in your head to trigger your violent reaction, a way of giving your violence permission, free reign, violence that you know would not be questioned if a young women were screaming?
Maybe in the past you did not return violence and wish you had or you could not. Now, you feel like you were less of a man and it nags at you and is looking for a way out? It makes sense with a lot of your film references - they are usually over the top, retribution/revenge scenarios.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Agent: I think that was more aimed squarely across my bow, since DT knows I'm of German descent. And I guess I *should* make the names German-sounding, because one can make fun of one's own "race" or heritage, right?

I don't understand that concept.

*blank German stare*

Damn Germans have NO sense of humor...

(Actually, I'm living proof that we DO have a sense of humor. It's just really, REALLY dark.)

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:34 AM

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"I don't recall reading anything about "her screaming." Maybe you are assuming? Hearing them in your head to trigger your violent reaction, a way of giving your violence permission, free reign, violence that you know would not be questioned if a young women were screaming?
Maybe in the past you did not return violence and wish you had or you could not. Now, you feel like you were less of a man and it nags at you and is looking for a way out? It makes sense with a lot of your film references - they are usually over the top, retribution/revenge scenarios."

Ok. So, Pizz, I guess you think that a girl being raped for 2 and 1/2 hours would NOT have been screaming.

You want to talk about your disregard for another human being? Or leave that for another session?

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"How many firefights have YOU been in Wulf ? How many on your side ? How many on the other side ? How many shots did you fire ? How many 'enemies' did you hit ? How did those firefights turn out ?

For the record."

Meet me in person, and Ill tell you.

[Cue suspense music]

Duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH.

Hey - Look, everyone! It's the return of The Internet Hard Man!

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:49 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Ok. So, Pizz, I guess you think that a girl being raped for 2 and 1/2 hours would NOT have been screaming.

You want to talk about your disregard for another human being? Or leave that for another session?

There you go assuming things. Granted, in the movies, she would be screaming. And, just as luck would have it, you would be walking by having just come from getting your guns cleaned and freshly loaded - you even saved money on latino piercing ammo - oh, the twists and turns of a crazy economy!

I listened to Talk of the Nation's report - their report suggested that she was in fact nearly passed out from alcohol.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114287592

"CONAN: And what do we know, exactly, about what happened at that homecoming dance at the high school?

Mr. FISCHER: Well, what we understand is that the victim, who's a student at the high school, attended the dance, which ran from 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. on Saturday night. And she left around 9:30 and walked outside to - with the idea she'd catch some air and perhaps also get a ride home from her father. But before she called her father, she met a classmate, who encouraged her to come hang out with him and his friends in a courtyard on campus. It's dark at night, fairly well-removed from where the dance was, and some drinking went on there, and she was incapacitated. And while she was very drunk, semi-conscious, she was assaulted both physically and sexually by a number of young men."

Not exactly what you were thinking/hoping.

I think Anthony's description makes sense too.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Ok. So, Pizz, I guess you think that a girl being raped for 2 and 1/2 hours would NOT have been screaming."

Hello Wulf,

Try to extend your imagination a bit beyond Rainbow Six.

Try to imagine merely screaming for over 2 hours under ideal conditions. How long before you are hoarse and exhausted?

Then try to imagine the mental process of being raped. The horrible violation, the inability to comprehend and accept what is happening to you.

Try hard to imagine this. I know it requires empathy. I suspect you don't have much empathy, since you are unable to fit your perceptions into anyone else's shoes. But try anyway.

If it helps, go rent Closetland. You seem to relate to the world primarily through movies anyhow.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:52 AM

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The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like.

YOU DON'T.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:54 AM

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But nevermind.

Im done.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Wulf, while I don't believe all of it is justified, some of the folk who're giving you shit have a point in that your tactics do somewhat suck.

I've actually taken something of a pounding trying to break up what appeared to be an assault headed in the direction of rape, but was in fact a marital spat over infidelity - which got me roughed up by the both of em, mind you - it was stupid to intervene but I was young, proud and foolish - and I'd prolly do so again, but not charging in willy-nilly like that, oh hell no.

First, hell yes, call the cops - for all their flaws they're better armed and equipped, and have more manpower than you do.

Second, direct engagement is counterproductive when you are that badly outnumbered - being able to play on crowd pyschology is a skill you do not have and thus makes it a losing proposition and adds one more target - armed or not you can be quickly overwhelmed by folks too hopped up on mindbending substances or just wired on adrenalin rush who will not react in a logical fashion.

That doesn't mean you cannot intervene, it just means you need different tactics - as mentioned, the last thing you wanna be when the cops show up is in a position to be mistaken for an armed perp, that's bad bad news.

I woulda went and got my car, then while laying solid on the horn and highbeams, slowly rolled it towards them - an action with some risk involved, but also with a fast line of retreat, since if they deployed firearms or charged the vehicle you can slam it into reverse and make a J-turn, and if they DID pursue it splits them up and throws them off what they're doing - they're not likely to catch a car on foot, and as a calculated risk it's better than a headfirst engagement against superior numbers.

Also, one could run back into the school and pull the fire alarm, the more ruckus and racket you can throw at them, cast them into confusion while keeping a clear head yourself - that opens OPTIONS, it gives you that third line of thinking and enough of an edge to maybe be useful in a situation instead of escalating it.

Again, armed or not, the best weapon in a crisis is the one between your ears, not the one in your holster - that is for the last ditch defense of your person at short range and should never be used in an aggressive fashion whatever.

-Frem
There always has to be a price.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:35 PM

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Actually Frem, that makes sense. Provided you have a car, and it can fit in the space needed.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like. YOU DON'T.

The girl may have been too drunk to fight back. Also, I heard a guy who saw a gang-rape where the girl was so positively outnumbered she just mentally checked out. Circumstances vary.

ETA: Oh, just saw that somneone posted with facts. She was nearly passed out from being drunk. If she's lucky, she won't remember the whole thing.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:48 PM

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Wulfie wrote:
ETA: "I am just stunned by the things I continue to see you post, Wulf." GOOD. Because you should be. You should be horrified. You should WANT to do something about this.

So you're saying I should be stunned and horrified by your posts? And I should WANT to do something to about you posting them?

Curious.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:52 PM

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First, hell yes, call the cops - for all their flaws they're better armed and equipped, and have more manpower than you do.

Not to mention the fact that in most instances, just them showing up is enough to break up most of the action. So that's one thing they're good for.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 8:42 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

It's kind of weird how you are making this about gun laws.

In answer to some of your questions - I'd do anything i could to help the girl. Call 911 - actually 000, if it were here. Maybe I'd do more, drive at them with a car, head lights on full beam, horn blaring. I don't know... I'd like to think that I would NOT do nothing.

If I had a gun, I'd shoot warning shots. But I'll never own a gun. If everyone was armed, as per your vision of a glorious utopia, so would the perps, and you'd probably end up getting the girl (and yourself) killed in an Butch Cassidy type shootout. Not a great outcome.

I can't quite get at the core of your point. The perps (still alleged at this point) will receive harsh sentencing. The girl seems to be physically recovering at least. The community is stunned, outraged, ashamed. It's a shocking story, similar to one that is running in the news hear - only the perps (alleged) are members of a football club and there was 17 of them and two girls involved. It's terrible that it happens - but......?

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Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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I woulda went and got my car, then while laying solid on the horn and highbeams, slowly rolled it towards them - an action with some risk involved, but also with a fast line of retreat, since if they deployed firearms or charged the vehicle you can slam it into reverse and make a J-turn, and if they DID pursue it splits them up and throws them off what they're doing - they're not likely to catch a car on foot, and as a calculated risk it's better than a headfirst engagement against superior numbers.

Also, one could run back into the school and pull the fire alarm, the more ruckus and racket you can throw at them, cast them into confusion while keeping a clear head yourself - that opens OPTIONS, it gives you that third line of thinking and enough of an edge to maybe be useful in a situation instead of escalating it.

Again, armed or not, the best weapon in a crisis is the one between your ears, not the one in your holster - that is for the last ditch defense of your person at short range and should never be used in an aggressive fashion whatever.

Well said, Frem. And thankx for the ideas, I'll keep them in mind (especially the car thing).

As to the incident itself, given it happened just across the San Rafael-Richmond Bridge, I'll add a bit. Richmond is not a safe city. It probably has the highest violence of any area in the Bay Area except some of the inner-city sections of SF and Oakland.

There are reasons for this. One is that, when people are incarcerated in Q (San Quentin), their families often move here to visit and be near them. Marin County is too expensive for most people, so a lot of them end up in Richmond, which is directly across the Bay. When the criminals are released, no matter where they were arrested/convicted, they are released here. The fact that we have such a VERY low violence rate here in Marin and Richmond has such a high one pretty much says where they go--especially if family has settled there.

It's a place we have to drive through to go to Oakland, Berserkeley, etc., and we don't get out of our cars. Drive-by shootings, shootings out in the open on the streets, are not unusual. It's a poor, dangerous area. Unfortunately, that means the people there are trapped by financial necessity in a dangerous place, and yes, there is violence in the schools. I don't know how they prevent it; given the poverty of the area, the schools don't have big budgets and I would imagine after-school activities are limited.

Sadly, too, the idea of a bunch of people watching and doing nothing isn't unthinkable...remember it happened to that woman in, New York was it?, years ago. Mob mentality exists and is all too easy to incite, and in Richmond, I have no doubt few would stand up and try to do something. Calling the police is a rational action, but in Richmond, also, the police are not trusted. Young people today live in a world which didn't exist in my time; the rules are different, the mentality is different.

There are lots of guns in Richmond, another reason for the high crime rate. Go ahead and say what you will about people owning guns to protect themselves; in that atmosphere, guns are used far more for things other than self-protection. Walking around Richmond at night with or without a gun is pretty dumb.

That's the atmosphere where it happened, beyond that I know nothing about the particular school; additionally, yes, alcohol no doubt did contribute...when life feels trapped in poverty and crime, alcohol is part of the equation, contributes to inhibition, violence and mob mentality.

I wish I'd been around; if I'd known Frem's suggestion of using a car, I would have. And called 911. I'd like to think many people would, but I've never heard the car suggestion before, and I certainly wouldn't have tried to do anything otherwise, even with a gun--certainly not a rifle; as has been pointed out, that's so dumb as to be silly. An anonymous call to the police would have been nice (but pulling fire alarms would be dangerous, if one was seen by others). I'd bet that, given where it took place, they won't find too many willing to admit witnessing it, either.

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 4:11 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Want to post your name, address, SS# and account info on here? Please. Post it for the public to see, and to use.

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The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like. YOU DON'T.

You're trying to incite us all into a blind killing/ suicidal rage (yanno, the kind that you experience, the kind that you nurture and relive over and over again via video). The problem with you, Wulf, is that you never really stopped being a gang member. You just changed allegiances, isall: Found a new set of "bad guys" to wipe out, a different reason to rage, a new set of laws to violate, and now you're trying to create your own "gang".

You asked how this could be prevented in the future. "This" basically means acting violently, without empathy for another human being. In other words, acting like you. So the answer is : I dunno, why don't you tell us?

I'm gonna play armchair psychiatrist: Wulf, before you do anything else, you must come to a forgiving resolution of yourself. Instead of watching violent videos, get a beaten down dog, one that snarls and snaps at everyone who walks by, and love it back to happiness. See a psychiatrist who specializes in PTSD. Do whatever it takes to get the poison of rage out of your system because you're a danger to everyone who is close to you- particularly your wife. What you feel, while completely understandable, is not an answer. Please, get help.

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:11 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Magonsdaughter:
It's kind of weird how you are making this about gun laws.

Have you met Wulf? It's kinda weird how he makes everything about race and gun laws, and may actively seek out stories that he thinks can be made about race and gun laws

In this particular case, his suggestion that the solution is "guns in school" Well, since this was clearly a gang-rape, the gang would certainly have guns in such a situation, and the girl would be dead.

Even where you're allowed to have guns, most people elect not to, like me, here.

If anyone caught the canadian folk singer eaten by coyotes story, it's clear that Wulfie is not alone. A lot of people were trying to make *that* story about gun laws. I'm sorry. We have coyotes here. It takes a lot less than guns to fend off coyotes. In fact, they never attack the conscious, which makes me think they were opportunistic killers following an accident or human attack.

As for the school rape victim, I recommend a much more powerful weapon than a gun: A cell phone. A gun against a gang is probably pretty easy to disarm if the attacker is a gang and the defender isn't one of Frems Femme Fatales

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 8:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree.

I haven't seen the coyote story, but definitely, they aren't "killers" where humans are concerned. Scavengers, and their usual prey are small critters, pets, etc. We have been graced to have them show up here and it's a real joy; sleeping outdoors, I get to hear them "sing" a lot. People who live on the fringes have learned the hard way to keep their pets indoors; otherwise, they are no threat at all.

In fact we see them fairly regularly--they have figured out by now that they're safe from humans, and have no other predators to speak of around here. My husband saw a pair while running day before yesterday with my dog. Tashi took off to check them out, and they checked each OTHER out (he's a husky, so too big to be prey). He followed them a short ways then came back to Jim; there was never any attempt to attack him.

People make "news" out of things they WANT to believe, and as for Wulf and his gun fettish, he's welcome to it, but it's easy to ignore when he uses it stupidly. Which is a lot of the time.

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 11:50 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I'll offer you this one also - given that they are ubiquitous and close at hand nearly everywhere you go.

A class C fire extinguisher is one hell of a weapon against a pack of bad guys in a pinch, it will blind them and rob oxygen from the air, and if they cannot breathe they cannot chase you or use weapons effectively - giving you the edge you need to make a speedy retreat.

One girl I knew responded to an attempt to accost her by snatching one from the wall of the parking garage and letting them have some, then ran up the steps emptying the cannister behind her as cover, the cops nailed the perps near the building quite easily since they were covered in white dust.

Something to keep firmly in mind when you are in a dangerous or potentially dangerous area or situation and otherwise unarmed.

-F

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

Nik

Interesting. Here they fear people. I guess on a hiking trail, they might become very accustomed to them, maybe people fed them, prolly even. That being the case, it's still a leap to "people are food." There's more to this story.

Frem

Yeah, if one's ready at hand. But a cell phone you can use to text gets at the dance. Esp. something like twitter, you can gnab a large number of people. One of them can grab a weapon on the way out the door.

I like the way Buffy and co. improvise on weapons. I was just rewatching some. Yeah, I get your issues with it, it's still a great show (what TV show doesn't have issues?) Yeah, Firefly i great, but it does have issues.

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 9:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Around here, nobody feeds the coyotes, DT--or any other wild animal that I know of (except the birds... ;o) It's a big "no-no". The local wildlfe rehabs are careful to handle the "patients" absolutely minimally, too. But the wildlife knows it's protected...deer will stand there and stare at you as you pass them within a few feet, as long as you don't actually stop. If you do, they walk away slowly.

We had a bobcat come at us stiff-legged once--scared the hell out of us, especially as Jim was only in shorts and jogging shoes! She had kits off the trail; otherwise, bobcats react the same as coyotes and deer, just walk away at their own pace. Luckily we've never seen one of the big cats, tho' there are frequent sightings, but since around HERE there have been no attacks, it's okay. Have been some in the East Bay, where they just keep building further and further East and into their territory. They just arrived HERE a few years back and there's plenty of open lands for them. It'll stay that way, our open space is all protected.

Would like to hear more about the story--is there a link in this thread? If not, d'ya have one? Curious.

Yes, a fire extinguisher is a good idea, but obviously only if one is available, and even then, when having to think quickly, it might not come to mind fast enough, whereas getting in my car and using IT as a weapon, that would come to mind immediately!

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 10:40 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well, reason I mentioned it was just to get folk thinking, actually.

Ponder what it was that made Rorschach so bloody dangerous ?

In the right place and time, a pencil can be as deadly as an assault rifle, a length of yarn as deadly as a grenade.

The tool is not the weapon - you are.
Remember this.

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Monday, November 2, 2009 8:24 AM

DREAMTROVE

Nik

people are never suppose to feed them, but everywhere has morons. There's a recent thread on the coyote attack, I'm too tired to find it, if you don't dig it up I'll try

Frem, I don't know how that Rorschach comment was meant, but conjures up willow pencil vampire images.

ETA

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Monday, November 2, 2009 8:51 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I don't know what others see...

but I just see X-rays of the pelvic region.

lol

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Monday, November 2, 2009 9:16 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

I see Serenity schematics.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Monday, November 2, 2009 10:56 AM